India worried over PLA’s expanding transborder military capabilities

[anup]

India is likely to raise the expanding transborder military capabilities of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), including its stepped-up exercises in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, when defence minister A K Antony leads a top-level delegation to China from July 4 to 7.

Sources said while India will “reassure” China that it has absolutely no intention of joining any multi-lateral strategic grouping that seeks to “contain” Beijing, it will also underline several “bilateral concerns” that need to be addressed.

“There are legitimate concerns about PLA’s military capabilities, assertiveness and intentions, its massive infrastructure build-up along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and, of course, incidents like the Depsang incursion in Ladakh in April,” said a source.

India, however, is keen to progressively enhance military ties with China, keep “communication channels open” and “eliminate potential” for Depsang-like incidents to reoccur.

The two sides will also discuss resumption of the joint Army “Hand-in-Hand” (HiH) counter-terrorism exercise towards end-2013 after a five-year gap as well as explore establishing the fourth border personnel meeting (BPM) mechanism near Lipulekh-Mana Pass in the “middle sector” after the existing ones at Chushul, Nathu La and Bum La.

The keenness to “constructively engage” with China’s military leadership can be gauged from the fact that Antony’s delegation, apart from defence secretary R K Mathur, will include Eastern Army commander Lt-General Dalbir Singh Suhag and Southern Naval commander Vice-Admiral Satish Soni, who are slated to take over as the next Army and Navy chiefs in 2014 and 2015, respectively. The Indian delegation will visit Shanghai, Beijing and the Chengdu Military Area Command, which controls Tibet and almost the entire disputed LAC.

Though the need to fortify de-escalatory mechanisms to prevent face-offs between the two armies will be stressed during the trip, India is in “no hurry” to ink the new Border Defence Cooperation Agreement (BDCA) proposed by China earlier this year.

“The revised BDCA draft submitted by China is being examined,” said a source. MoD was perturbed by the earlier draft since it suggested that both sides should freeze troop and infrastructure levels along the LAC.

MoD is in the process of getting the Cabinet Committee on Security’s (CCS) final nod for raising a new mountain strike corps (40,000 soldiers), apart from two “independent” infantry brigades and two “independent” armoured brigades, to plug operational gaps along the LAC as well as to acquire “some ground offensive capabilities” against China. Moreover, India is belatedly trying to counter the major infrastructure build-up by China over the last couple of decades.

 

[Hellraiser007]

China worries Indian doing Yoga and becoming superman，even call for help from Hindu gods when at war, very worry

This is the same China that went tents folded and tail between the legs.

You speak as if your copied stuff will work fine in the war . This is the same china which is worried about and India joining with Japan, also issued a pathetic rant when India and Japan are getting closer

 

[Genesis]

This is the same China that went tents folded and tail between the legs.

You speak as if your copied stuff will work fine in the war . This is the same china which is worried about and India joining with Japan, also issued a pathetic rant when India and Japan are getting closer

During the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis, US carriers came and gone, do you consider them running? Our guys have to leave sometime, they can't live in tents too long. Not comfortable, and seeing as the occupied place isn't great for housing projects, what did you expect?

Our "Copied" stuff must work, or else you think if we sent guys deep into "your" territory, you would have done something. Since you guys retaliated against Pakistan for crossing "border," then why not for China? Too worried our "copied" stuff won't work?

As to India Japan, only our spokes person said a few things, and most of was nothing. While who was talking on the Indian side from the crisis? High ranking officials from all corners of the Indian government and it was only a few guys with guns that even the Chinese armed police wouldn't use.

 

[Hellraiser007]

During the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis, US carriers came and gone, do you consider them running? Our guys have to leave sometime, they can't live in tents too long. Not comfortable, and seeing as the occupied place isn't great for housing projects, what did you expect?

Our "Copied" stuff must work, or else you think if we sent guys deep into "your" territory, you would have done something. Since you guys retaliated against Pakistan for crossing "border," then why not for China? Too worried our "copied" stuff won't work?

As to India Japan, only our spokes person said a few things, and most of was nothing. While who was talking on the Indian side from the crisis? High ranking officials from all corners of the Indian government and it was only a few guys with guns that even the Chinese armed police wouldn't use.

I can see the attitude of nazism here, US of A is making a Hitler out of China to reorder Asia. Chinese fell for that.

India on the other hand diffused the tensions through diplomacy, it is very easy for us to kill or capture those Chinese nut job soldiers who came and tried to occupy our lands.

From Last decade on wards the most war mongering country which is barking at neighbors is China, Discipline China and Asia will be at peace, But things seems to be heading for Great Asian war .....

 

[Genesis]

I can see the attitude of nazism here, US of A is making a Hitler out of China to reorder Asia. Chinese fell for that.

India on the other hand diffused the tensions through diplomacy, it is very easy for us to kill or capture those Chinese nut job soldiers who came and tried to occupy our lands.

From Last decade on wards the most war mongering country which is barking at neighbors is China, Discipline China and Asia will be at peace, But things seems to be heading for Great Asian war .....

Really, China's been in the middle east for 10 years? I must have missed it. But it make sense that we were there since we are the most warmongering nation.

Really, you can capture a few dozen guys with AKs, good to know that the 40+ billion a year is not wasted. But it is not those guys that help back the Indian army is it.

It wouldn't happen to be the 500,000 with the latest gear standing behind the few dozen guys would it.

As to diplomacy, if you call giving ground diplomacy then China in the early 20th century is the master of diplomacy.

You know what nazism is? Nazism conflicts with communism, I know we have close to none communist ideas left, but still. Nazism also implies a few other things, that you might want to look into, before you start using this word.

 

[Hellraiser007]

Really, China's been in the middle east for 10 years? I must have missed it. But it make sense that we were there since we are the most warmongering nation.

Really, you can capture a few dozen guys with AKs, good to know that the 40+ billion a year is not wasted. But it is not those guys that help back the Indian army is it.

It wouldn't happen to be the 500,000 with the latest gear standing behind the few dozen guys would it.

We have lot of human resources and supplies when it comes to defend against Chinese, it is Chinese that should be worried since you have enemies all around you .... . Threats won't work against India.

As to diplomacy, if you call giving ground diplomacy then China in the early 20th century is the master of diplomacy.

A guy who have made more enemies than anybody in the last decade is talking about diplomacy and skills. Chinese plot in SCS and East sea is a failure.

You know what nazism is? Nazism conflicts with communism, I know we have close to none communist ideas left, but still. Nazism also implies a few other things, that you might want to look into, before you start using this word.

Nazism in the sense talking on every neighbors and trying to get a monopoly which will never happen, when it comes to Human rights CCP and Nazis are the same, nazis treated Jews and others in inhuman ways and CCP treats its won people like that. Imagine if these guys venture out of China??

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

From Last decade on wards the most war mongering country which is barking at neighbors is China

What bullsh*t.

China has not had bloodshed on our borders for over 30 years. While India has blood on both East (Bangladesh) and West (Pakistan) borders, Hell only a short while back there were multiple be-headings and mutilations of soldiers bodies on India's border.

As for the Ladakh incident:

India was crying that Chinese troops were 20 km inside Indian territory for several weeks, and the whole Indian nation went into a panic of self-flagellation, crying that they could not beat China, all over their media.

End result? India backs down, not only destroying an entire set of bunkers, but also halting all infrastructure work in the region, and cancelling all troop patrols.

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India

NEW DELHI: Apart from dismantling a SET of strategically-located bunkers at Chumar as part of an arrangement to end the standoff at Depsang Bulge in eastern Ladakh, the Indian troops seem to have suspended patrols to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Chumar, at least for now. Senior officials briefed by personnel on the ground said the Army has discontinued the round-the-clock patrolling it was undertaking in the area for the last few months.

 

[doppelganger]

What bullsh*t.

China has not had bloodshed on our borders for over 30 years. While India has blood on both East (Bangladesh) and West (Pakistan) borders, Hell only a short while back there were multiple be-headings and mutilations of soldiers bodies on India's border.

As for the Ladakh incident:

India was crying that Chinese troops were 20 km inside Indian territory for several weeks, and the whole Indian nation went into a panic of self-flagellation, crying that they could not beat China, all over their media.

End result? India backs down, not only destroying an entire set of bunkers, but also halting all infrastructure work in the region, and cancelling all troop patrols.

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India

How many more times do you need to post the above before you complete your quota for the day. I could put in a good word to your supervisor so that you can take the rest of the day off.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

How many more times do you need to post the above before you complete your quota for the day. I could put in a good word to your supervisor so that you can take the rest of the day off.

As many times as Indians cry about it while ignoring the basic facts.

So basically all the time. (Like in post #3 of this thread.)

Bottom line, our troops were 20 km inside Indian territory, and you guys cried non-stop but had no guts to push them out.

In the end, India backed down and made multiple concessions while we had to do nothing. That's from your own Army officials.

 

[doppelganger]

As many times as Indians cry about it while ignoring the basic facts.

I would bother copy and pasting my rebuttals to you on the other thread too if I was getting 5 cents for every post of mine.

Maybe if I do it long enough I could get a plate of hakka noodles schezwan style.

 

[Hellraiser007]

What bullsh*t.

China has not had bloodshed on our borders for over 30 years. While India has blood on both East (Bangladesh) and West (Pakistan) borders, Hell only a short while back there were multiple be-headings and mutilations of soldiers bodies on India's border.

Those are isolated incidents and we have a neighbor on the north west which is driven to spill blood for no reason. But the issues which were created by China is SCS ,East Sea do have a potential for major war in Asia. What a pathetic logic.

When India defends itself against Pakistan it is confined to S.Asia since we can take care of the situation. But when a war breaks out between China and the yet to become a strong anti China alliance. Asia will be war.

As for the Ladakh incident:

India was crying that Chinese troops were 20 km inside Indian territory for several weeks, and the whole Indian nation went into a panic of self-flagellation, crying that they could not beat China, all over their media.

End result? India backs down, not only destroying an entire set of bunkers, but also halting all infrastructure work in the region, and cancelling all troop patrols.

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India

Those tin sheds are erected after april 15th. What ever you have seen in Indian media are different views from different circles, Come to war with India based on that then .....

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I would bother copy and pasting my rebuttals to you on the other thread too if I was getting 5 cents for every post of mine.

Maybe if I do it long enough I could get a plate of hakka noodles schezwan style.

So there we go, you have no capability for debate, only racist insults about noodles.

Those are isolated incidents and we have a neighbor on the north west which is driven to spill blood for no reason. But the issues which were created by China is SCS ,East Sea do have a potential for major war in Asia. What a pathetic logic.

When India defends itself against Pakistan it is confined to S.Asia since we can take care of the situation. But when a war breaks out between China and the yet to become a strong anti China alliance. Asia will be war.

Except that we are not killing people in the South China sea.

While India has regular killings on the Bangladesh border, and on the Pakistan border too. Hell just now you had multiple BE-HEADINGS and mutilation of dead soldiers, do you see anyone doing that in the South China sea?

No, we are solving it by diplomacy. Something you can't understand, considering how much bloodshed you have on both your borders.

 

[doppelganger]

So there we go, you have no capability for debate, only racist insults about noodles.

Please bro. I love my hakka noodles. No Chinese e-warrior can come between me and that steaming plate of red chilly goodness.

considering how much bloodshed you have on both your borders.

The one region in your country where you have the same dynamics as we do both sides of our borders, your track record is not too good yourself.

 

[Hellraiser007]

Except that we are not killing people in the South China sea.

While India has regular killings on the Bangladesh border, and on the Pakistan border too. Hell just now you had multiple BE-HEADINGS and mutilation of dead soldiers, do you see anyone doing that in the South China sea?

CCP is busy executing its own citizens, In China these killing will be done in mobile vans those who speak against CCP are given fast track judicial process and executed, China ranks in the top of this executions.

What do you do when smugglers and terrorists try to sneak into your borders, you simply kill them or capture them, this is what India doing.

No, we are solving it by diplomacy. Something you can't understand, considering how much bloodshed you have on both your borders.

The issues in SCS and East sea cannot be solved diplomatically simple as that. China is trying to show strength and their by subduing the small neighbors with out war, as usual Chinese always think they can troll anybody in this world. Know this ...!!! things will remain a pain the as$ of Chinese in SCS and East sea.

The policy of threatening your neighbors with warnings and there by grabbing their territories will worsen the image of China even more with time. This policy was simple born to weaken China.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The issues in SCS and East sea cannot be solved diplomatically simple as that. China is trying to show strength and their by subduing the small neighbors with out war, as usual Chinese always think they can troll anybody in this world. Know this ...!!! things will remain a pain the as$ of Chinese in SCS and East sea.

The policy of threatening your neighbors with warnings and there by grabbing their territories will worsen the image of China even more with time. This policy was simple born to weaken China.

Show me on which one of our borders, are soldiers shooting at each other, like the India-Pakistan border? I.e. The border with the highest risk of nuclear war in the world?

On which border, are soldiers mutilating each others dead bodies and cutting off their heads?

Sorry, we prefer to work things out without bloodshed, like in the South China sea right now.

Or like in Ladakh, where we pushed and you folded like a house of cards. Without even a word of protest, you just bowed down to all of our demands, without even a whimper.