India Without Pakistan

[Indus Pakistan]

SAARC is a joke.

And India is going because of its middle class and rising economy, same cannot be said about Pakistan.

And Pakistan is going because of its middle class and rising economy, same cannot be said about India .

 

[kaku1]

In a meeting of the National Executive Committee of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party in Bangaluru last Friday, a resolution was passed to elaborate and sanctify a new foreign policy doctrine for India titled ‘panchamrita’.

Coming in the wake of India’s non-aligned approach during the cold war and ‘Look East’ policy after it, the new policy seeks to harness the economic and intellectual growth made by India over the past decade and crowns the hectic efforts made by Prime Minister Modi and Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj during the last ten months in engaging with 94 countries from around the world, chief among them being Barack Obama becoming the first US President to attend India’s Republic Day as chief guest.

The new policy essentially says that India is no longer afraid of crossing high seas and is all set to use the history, size, and intelligence of its people for global influence.

From Pakistan’s point of view, particularly notable is the acknowledgement that India’s ‘innumerable problems with almost all our neighbours is evidence that we had not engaged with the neighbourhood properly in the past,’ and the claim that India has ‘rendered irrelevant geo-politics of hyphenation while boosting bilateral relationships without being influenced by any third country.’

In other words, India no longer finds Pakistan a handicap to her external ambitions as had usually been the case since 1947.

This vainglorious BJP resolution on the new Indian foreign policy comes at a time when Pakistan is desperately looking for a new foreign policy too. Ever since 1947, Pakistan’s foreign policy has essentially focused on survival in the face of an existential threat from India. While survival still continues to be the chief concern, the recent paradigm shifts in regional and global politics demand that Pakistan must adopt a home-grown foreign policy that offers more.

In its struggle for survival, Pakistan has made several Faustian bargains with foreign vultures and is still not in any position to refuse them their pound of flesh. However, the time has come to stand on our own two feet.
We must develop an outside-in foreign policy that takes ownership of Pakistan’s unique diversity and potential and permits foreign engagements exclusively and directly for the security, dignity and prosperity of the territories and citizens of Pakistan.

India Without Pakistan

India is without Pakistan since 1947.

 

[A1Kaid]

And Pakistan is going because of its middle class and rising economy, same cannot be said about India .

Pakistan will reach Middle Income county before India. Just a matter of time.

 

[Shamain]

SAARC is a joke.

And India is going because of its middle class and rising economy, same cannot be said about Pakistan.

Man you have hell lot of labor shortage, in both skilled and unskilled both labors. You dont have enough vocational schools and training colleges to train those people. Your modis make in India dream is just a dream and your economy is booming nowhere. To fool indian public his government totally tweaked a growth rate figure of 4.9 something to 6.9 pc . And also your demographic dividend that you will be losing for lack of skilled labor is 12 million people.

 

[kaku1]

Pakistan will reach Middle Income county before India. Just a matter of time.

I like your spirit.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan will reach Middle Income county before India. Just a matter of time.

Reality and hype. I have done some research and I cannot saying about the future and I don't want to play Nostradamus but the bitter reality is a average Pakistan is, better fed, better clothed, has better shelter, has better medical access, has better access to toilets, better access to mobiles, better access to cars.

Yet Pakistan is looked on by Indian's and with disdain they say 'Pakistan is failed'.

Indian on the other hand has more starving, more hungry, more emaciated, more shi*tting on the streets,.

Yet apparently India is flying high.

 

[Matrixx]

Pakistan will reach Middle Income county before India. Just a matter of time.

World is saying something else......about India and about Pakistan

 

[ito]

Pakistan will reach Middle Income county before India. Just a matter of time.

No chance of that happening.

According to IMF by 2019 Indian per capita will be USD 2330 against Pakistan's USD 1668, By 2050, an average Indian would be earning 4 times as much as an average Pakistani

Reality and hype. I have done some research and I cannot saying about the future and I don't want to play Nostradamus but the bitter reality is a average Pakistan is, better fed, better clothed, has better shelter, has better medical access, has better access to toilets, better access to mobiles, better access to cars.

Yet Pakistan is looked on by Indian's and with disdain they say 'Pakistan is failed'.

Indian on the other hand has more starving, more hungry, more emaciated, more shi*tting on the streets,.

Yet apparently India is flying high.

Could you point out that the research? I seriously doubt what you have written.

 

[Gessler]

India without Pakistan lol, Pakistan wouldn't exist without India.

 

[A1Kaid]

Reality and hype. I have done some research and I cannot saying about the future and I don't want to play Nostradamus but the bitter reality is a average Pakistan is, better fed, better clothed, has better shelter, has better medical access, has better access to toilets, better access to mobiles, better access to cars.

Yet Pakistan is looked on by Indian's and with disdain they say 'Pakistan is failed'.

Indian on the other hand has more starving, more hungry, more emaciated, more shi*tting on the streets,.

Yet apparently India is flying high.

That is all true, Pakistan having a much smaller population will eventually attain far high levels of per capita income than India. I am glad with the current government Pakistan's economy is rapidly recovering and growing. Moody's raised Pakistan outlook to "positive", IMF stated Pakistan's economy is growing, Bloomberg News stated Pakistan's GDP has increased, government revenues increased, inflation CPI is down, etc.

Actually Pakistan's per capita income is insignificantly different from India's right now, but at the current pace Pakistan's per capita income will probably overtake India in 2 years or so. I think it's foreseeable that Pakistan will become a High Middle Income country in terms of per capita income. So eventually we will see Pakistan reach per capita income levels that we currently see in Turkiye perhaps in 2 decades time.

No chance of that happening.

According to IMF by 2019 Indian per capita will be USD 2330 against Pakistan's USD 1668, By 2050, an average Indian would be earning 4 times as much as an average Pakistani



Could you point out that the research? I seriously doubt what you have written.

Data has changed, IMF has changed it's figures, Moody's has changed their figures, World Bank as well.. India will remain an impoverished poor country with a massive 1.3+ billion population and with each successive person born the average per capita income in your country will fall faster than the increasing rate of income.

Fact is Pakistan's economy has turned around with the new government. With a much smaller population Pakistan will reach higher levels of per capita income. In fact, within 2 decades Pakistan's per capita income will be multiple times higher than India's.

Pakistan has already reached majority middle income country, something India is no where close to achieving. India's population is too big and too poor to compete with Pakistan's much smaller population earning more, and the new economic conditions will only accelerate increase in income.

 

[ito]

That is all true, Pakistan having a much smaller population will eventually attain far high levels of per capita income than India. I am glad with the current government Pakistan's economy is rapidly recovering and growing. Moody's raised Pakistan outlook to "positive", IMF stated Pakistan's economy is growing, Bloomberg News stated Pakistan's GDP has increased, government revenues increased, inflation CPI is down, etc.

Actually Pakistan's per capita income is insignificantly different from India's right now, but at the current pace Pakistan's per capita income will probably overtake India in 2 years or so. I think it's foreseeable that Pakistan will become a High Middle Income country in terms of per capita income. So eventually we will see Pakistan reach per capita income levels that we currently see in Turkiye perhaps in 2 decades time.



Data has changed, IMF has changed it's figures, Moody's has changed their figures, World Bank as well.. India will remain an impoverished poor country with a massive 1.3+ billion population and with each successive person born the average per capita income in your country will fall faster than the increasing rate of income.

Fact is Pakistan's economy has turned around with the new government. With a much smaller population Pakistan will reach higher levels of per capita income. In fact, within 2 decades Pakistan's per capita income will be multiple times higher than India's.

Can you point out the new IMF report? I work in Investment Industry. It is imperative for us to keep tab of economic performance and macro economic variables of countries and their projections. As far as I know there is no new IMF report. The last IMF report on future projections was released in 2010.

There are new reports by PwC, Goldman, Citi and Stan Chart after 2010 but they are more bullish on India than what IMF was projecting in 2010.

 

[tsinga]

Pakistan will reach Middle Income county before India. Just a matter of time.

No. It wont.
Facts cannot be manufactured to suit your views.

India not only has a higher per capita income than Pakistan. That per capita income is also rising faster than Pakistan's i.e India's economic growth rate is higher than Pakistan's.

India's spending on its social services is also higher as a percentage of its GDP, ergo India's poverty reduction has been higher.

Lastly, India's HDI ranking is also better than Pakistan's. Which again is getting better faster than Pakistan's.

So by no stretch of imagination, will Pakistan become a middle income country before India.

In fact, if any audacious bet has to be made, I'd wager Bangladesh per capita income will exceed Pakistan's per capita income, before Pakistan's per capita income exceeds India's.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That is all true, Pakistan having a much smaller population will eventually attain far high levels of per capita income than India. I am glad with the current government Pakistan's economy is rapidly recovering and growing. Moody's raised Pakistan outlook to "positive", IMF stated Pakistan's economy is growing, Bloomberg News stated Pakistan's GDP has increased, government revenues increased, inflation CPI is down, etc.

Actually Pakistan's per capita income is insignificantly different from India's right now, but at the current pace Pakistan's per capita income will probably overtake India in 2 years or so. I think it's foreseeable that Pakistan will become a High Middle Income country in terms of per capita income. So eventually we will see Pakistan reach per capita income levels that we currently see in Turkiye perhaps in 2 decades time.



Data has changed, IMF has changed it's figures, Moody's has changed their figures, World Bank as well.. India will remain an impoverished poor country with a massive 1.3+ billion population and with each successive person born the average per capita income in your country will fall faster than the increasing rate of income.

Fact is Pakistan's economy has turned around with the new government. With a much smaller population Pakistan will reach higher levels of per capita income. In fact, within 2 decades Pakistan's per capita income will be multiple times higher than India's.

Pakistan has already reached majority middle income country, something India is no where close to achieving. India's population is too big and too poor to compete with Pakistan's much smaller population earning more, and the new economic conditions will only accelerate increase in income.

Yes, your right. On paper India has slightly higher per capita. But I want you to consider the following analogy. If my tax return showed I was making more money but my children were hungrier than yours, my children were dressed worse than yours, my children had no access to sanitation, my children had worse shelter than yours.

Would you not wonder how it is that my tax returns show I am better off than but in reality your family is living better than mine? How would you explain this? Is there is some magic your doing?

Or could there be some very obvious reason to explain this contradiction? Yes, of course there is. Every country has the 'hidden economy' that is part of the economy that people hide from the tax man. The black economy. Well Pakistan and India are also no exception but with one differance. Pakistan hide far more from tax man than Indian's do.

The way to check whether this is happening is simple. People might lie about how much money they make but if they have money they will spend. So you need to look at consumption. Which takes me to the point I made earlier. That's why Pakistani are better fed, better clothed, better housed, have better access to toilets than Indians.

Bottom line Pakistan TRUE per capita is far higher and to draw another analogy when you see a iceberg you got to bear in mind all you seeing is what's above the water. There is more hidden away underneath.

That is also true for India but what is hidden in Pakistan is far MORE.

and let us please not play Nostradamus. Where we are in 10 years can wait. When we get there we can do stock taking. It is difficult enough to do NOW let alone forecasting.

 

[Donatello]

India without Pakistan, bollywood careers of the Khans would be over.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

India might talk about it's much vaunted middle class but the indicators are that Pakistani middle class is actually as big if not bigger per ratio.