India Wiretaps Muslim Leadership

[makikirkiri]

@makikirkiri: Owaisi's dont win because the Hindu population won't vote for them. Or more accurately the other parties play the religion card. Other-wise if you know them well enough, they are the perfect people to be secular leaders who are muslims. Listen to their speeches in assembly and parliament.

Obviously no hindu is going to vote for them.No never. hindus are not so devoid of self respect to vote for a party called :
MIM Majlis Ittehad ul Muslimeen .You seem to know so much more about MIM you must know what it means. Which party in the state plays religion card?TDP ..? Congress ? The communists? The TRS? No one except BJP.And what is the voterbase of BJP in the state ? need I tell you?I have in all my years of political interest never heard him talk of the issues of people.It's always muslims , muslims and muslims all the way.Though BJP does play the religion card it atleast preserves the decency by atleast pretending to be secular.MIM is just blatant nakedness.
when it comes to supporting the interests of all hyderabadis , all the parties have given the same statement. You are hearing or being fed selectively.Go read the local newspapers.
well coming to their speeches in assembly and parliament I have heard a lot of them my self.they have good communication skills ..agree only upto that.have you seen their actions in public? Have you seen how they attacked taslima nasreen?do you even know the reasons behind the recent riots in the city?It's not BJP which caused it as you would like to believe.There is a lot of posturing and counter posturing which happens all the time in hyderabad and the recent riots were just a result of that regular rivalry.
Do you know how these younger generation MIM leaders behave with police?Do you know how they behave with any govt employee?
Are you aware of all the views put forward by them on various platforms?First do that.being presentable and speaking fluently are not the only qualifications to being a leader much less to being called secular.

 

[afriend]

All indians plz be sensible.. say what wever you want atleast condemn the tapping of telephones weather of a muslim or hindu...

i think right from the 2nd post indians have hijaked this post and turned it into indian muslim politicans character assasination and lame game of defending Israel... and words like this proves me right... wot israel?? why israel?? i dont believe it israel ?? etc etc
Israel has nothing to do with this post.. so comment on tapping of phones only.

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Kindly go through the post.. It have included a wide range of issues, and all the participants in this forum have put in some good information.. especially regarding owasis... guy...!! So.. i think you should be tolerant enough to understand all view points... !!! So.. if you dont want israel to be commented remove that part from your post..!!! None will discuss that..!!!

 

[third eye]

Looks like indian muslims arent considered loyal to india...u can see indian flick making them look patriotic and try to give example like they hate Pakistan more then hindus and are more loyal then others clearing pointing out the mentality and opinion of indians towards Pakistanis)indian muslims)
No offence just my opinion...........i can be wrong.

See today in US / UK / Europe / Aus and so many countries cameras are located at relevant places for security reasons. Does it mean that their Govts suspect their citizens.

Times have changed, security concerns call for measures. There is no need to give it a communal twist.

 

[prodevelopment]

@ All my Pakistani friends here.....

I know you guys are proud of your religion and it's a part of your identity. I get that.

But please understand for us Indians, our identity is NOT defined by our religion. It's defined by our actions.

 

[rubyjackass]

Obviously no hindu is going to vote for them.No never. hindus are not so devoid of self respect to vote for a party called :
MIM Majlis Ittehad ul Muslimeen .You seem to know so much more about MIM you must know what it means. Which party in the state plays religion card?TDP ..? Congress ? The communists? The TRS? No one except BJP.And what is the voterbase of BJP in the state ? need I tell you?I have in all my years of political interest never heard him talk of the issues of people.It's always muslims , muslims and muslims all the way.Though BJP does play the religion card it atleast preserves the decency by atleast pretending to be secular.MIM is just blatant nakedness.
when it comes to supporting the interests of all hyderabadis , all the parties have given the same statement. You are hearing or being fed selectively.Go read the local newspapers.
well coming to their speeches in assembly and parliament I have heard a lot of them my self.they have good communication skills ..agree only upto that.have you seen their actions in public? Have you seen how they attacked taslima nasreen?do you even know the reasons behind the recent riots in the city?It's not BJP which caused it as you would like to believe.There is a lot of posturing and counter posturing which happens all the time in hyderabad and the recent riots were just a result of that regular rivalry.
Do you know how these younger generation MIM leaders behave with police?Do you know how they behave with any govt employee?
Are you aware of all the views put forward by them on various platforms?First do that.being presentable and speaking fluently are not the only qualifications to being a leader much less to being called secular.

They dont explicitly play the card. You can infer things from the candidates they nominate. My stand was not for the institution of MIM. It is for the Owaisi brothers. Name one muslim politician in a secular party who could influence his party policies in a big way? The point remains that muslims need platforms like these to come into the mainstream. Who knows may be the sons of the present generation will form a secular party. At least they are moving in the same direction.
I see caste politics and religious politics through the same prism. If religion were not the single largest demarcation now caste would have taken the place.
MIM cannot pull out a Babri Masjid not even if its own goverment is in power. BJP could do that when Congress was ruling. I strongly believe muslims in India need assertive parties as long as the orange parties are existing. I don't care what they appear to be. All that matter are their intentions and the end results. If there was no MIM there would be no protection for muslims. I remember when people used to talk about 'turks' attacking 'our people' in Hyderabad. I am not saying muslims are innocent. It is just that given their lesser numbers and insecurity they need such a forum.

I have heard the Owaisi's raise about many issues like price rise and electricity tariffs. They sounded like any other leaders in the houses. Whatever populist measures they take to come to power is irrelevant for me. They are there assuring muslims they have a representation and ensuring that radicals dont get to power. Purpose served. If you talk about populism you should look at how your hero Chiranjeevi tried to use the caste calculus and actually lost because he could not. Many of todays leaders who are figureheads of Indian development and pluralism came to power by using populist issues. Case in point: Rahul Gandhi's Mumbai ride. As long as there is equilibrium there is no harm. It only increases the stability. If the same Owaisi joined to Congress he would have become the minority affairs minister or something like that.

Every party in India is guilty of populist actions. If you can't make a connection between Kishan Reddy's appointment factor and the riots I cant help you. May be you do not remember how Narendra, who went BJP>TRS>Congress used to roam the old city area with orange scarved goons. A lot of religious appeal goes by the undercurrents without the leaders calling for it because today so many people will discard a muslim candidate just by seeing his name even if he does not belong to a party like MIM. People like Akbaruddin are my hope to change this.

 

[EjazR]

@makikirkir

First of all, even though I wanted the UPA to win in 2009, I still voted for TDP candidate Zahid Ali Khan as they were the only strong alternative to MIM's scare politics.

At the same time, MIM is anything BUT anti-national. MIM has for a long time put up Hindu candidates in elections, so forget about just Hindus voting for them, Hindus have actually stood election on an MIM ticket.

There are plenty of assembly seats where MIM can't win without at least some Hindu votes let me assure you of that. Of course I don't approve of their communal politics as well as dynastic politics where the party is lead only by the Owaisis. That is abhorrent to me. Just like I abhor the ethnicity and communal based politics of say Shiv Sena. But the base that Shiv Sena has makes it much more problematic than MIM which is confined to just 1 LS seat and a few AS seats.

MIM , Shiv Sena e.t.c. all belong in the same category of political parties and they are as anti-national (or not) as each of them. Another myth is that the old city is Muslim only area. Its not, it consists of about 45-50% Muslims and a similar percentage of Hindus, but both of them are really poor and live in appalling conditions.

If you do a little research on what MIM has done, you will find that they also have a good side just many other parties. Chk out this speech by Akbaruddin Owasi

 

[rubyjackass]

@EjazR : Thats what I am talking about.

Chennai rules! Tamilnadu has crossed Hyderabad in IT exports in terms of volume. I agree that it is mostly low grade software. But it is changing fast. Look out Hyderabad!!

 

[leon]

@ All my Pakistani friends here.....

I know you guys are proud of your religion and it's a part of your identity. I get that.

But please understand for us Indians, our identity is NOT defined by our religion. It's defined by our actions.

well said brother well said