India will never attack Pak from Afghanistan'

[Doctor Death]

Farewell ye Hindustani ladies......farewell oh ladies of Hindustan...

Once US leaves Afghania........No more shall we see you again. !!

Actually pakistani salwar kameez clad men will have to say goodbye to Afghanistan.By 2014 Taliban will be finished.

And even if Taliban comes to power(as much as chance of that happening as Michael Jackson has of singing in another live concert).
Taliban say they can 'reconcile' with India - The Times of India

MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Afghans hate Pakistanis:
71% Afghans find India favourable:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/11_01_10_afghanpoll.pdf
See page 23 of report.

Pink burqa clad Pakistanis are running away from Afghanistan.

 

[nForce]

Farewell ye Hindustani ladies......farewell oh ladies of Hindustan...

Once US leaves Afghania........No more shall we see you again. !!

once upon a time there was Nostrdamus..then comes this guy..nobody stands in between...

 

[ajtr]

Farewell ye Hindustani ladies......farewell oh ladies of Hindustan...

Once US leaves Afghania........No more shall we see you again. !!

Hindustan is there in every pakistani house..........

 

[humanfirst]

Farewell ye Hindustani ladies......farewell oh ladies of Hindustan...

Once US leaves Afghania........No more shall we see you again. !!

Nocturnal emission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ajtr]

"To what extent is Pakistan justifiably afraid that (Afghan President Hamid) Karzai could be a strategic ally of India and a strategic enemy of Pakistan and to what extent is there justifiable fear, looking at the entire Kabul government as a whole,"
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Sherman observed that "whatever influence they have will be multiplied by 10 in the minds of Pakistani Generals. So we have to make sure it's a pretty low number." Dressler said that he did not expect that India "will be mounting an invasion from Afghanistan into Pakistan. I think that's very far from reality, and so that concern is unfounded”.

After all Pakistani fears of indian ladies in Afghanistan are justified if one look into the history of it one indian lady did sure dismember the pakistan in the past.....

 

[Windjammer]

Actually pakistani salwar kameez clad men will have to say goodbye to Afghanistan.By 2014 Taliban will be finished.

And even if Taliban comes to power(as much as chance of that happening as Michael Jackson has of singing in another live concert).
Taliban say they can 'reconcile' with India - The Times of India

MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Afghans hate Pakistanis:
71% Afghans find India favourable:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/11_01_10_afghanpoll.pdf
See page 23 of report.

Pink burqa clad Pakistanis are running away from Afghanistan.

Mental Masturbation

 

[Paan Singh]

Farewell ye Hindustani ladies......farewell oh ladies of Hindustan...

Once US leaves Afghania........No more shall we see you again. !!

Then wait for 2024 coz as per U.S-A-stan agreement ..U.S wont leave A-stan till 2024 ..

 

[OrionHunter]

"It's about encouraging or compelling elements of the security services to cease their support and facilitation for these groups," he said and his words were echoed by Curtis.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ver-attack-pak-afghanistan.html#ixzz26XeY6nMH

As the saying goes, a leopard can never change its spots! Establishment sponsored militancy from Pakistan will continue till doomsday, till the stars start winking out, and the sun becomes a red giant.

Didn't Kayani say as much when he indicated to his American counterpart that they were Pakistan's 'strategic assets'? So, if they have been factored into Pakistan Establishment's doctrine of 'cold war' then it would be impossible for Pakistan to change its policies. Because that would mean a paradigm shift in its strategy. And that's not going to happen anytime soon.

As for the fear that India would attack Pakistan from the North West through Afghanistan, is a figment of childish imagination! Nuff said.

 

[Doctor Death]

Epic Fail
Applies to you quite well.

 

[Ticker]

After all Pakistani fears of indian ladies in Afghanistan are justified if one look into the history of it one indian lady did sure dismember the pakistan in the past.....

Yes she did - Sikhs however were not very kind to her.

 

[Contrarian]

How do you plan to exit those minerals, fly them ? , Iranians won't be too happy doing anything With Afghanistan and even Charbahr port is under our Naval control, we can blockade it in our territory if it ever comes to that - Indian existence in Afghanistan depends on two factors.
1: Is Pakistan ready to throw a bone at the US to turn them around
2: How long we think, we can tolerate India there.

You are not talking of ground realities if that indeed is what Pakistan plans as backup!

You cannot blockade ships from Chabahar port even in your EEZ. Under UNCLOS any country can use your EEZ for economic purposes ie commercial shipping. So you cannot do it in peacetime.

In hostilities if you try and blockade shipping, keep in mind, Indian Navy will have already blockaded Pakistan. While some members here take it as an insult to them and say out of frustration that IN cannot. The assets possesed by both countries at the moment say that it can.

Even if you are able to put a submarine there (not a surface ship as that would be very easy for IN to destroy) to harass commercial shipping, it would be hard pressed for the sub to defend against IN as well carry out its strategic mission.
The only viable option for Pakistan would be to destroy Chabahar port - just like IN will at the initial stages of war destroy Karachi and Gwadar - to ensure no loading/deloading of goods can take place.
And that would mean war with Iran.

 

[ajtr]

Yes she did - Sikhs however were not very kind to her.

Ya same like ZAB......

Seems like there are lot of coincidences between Gandhi family and Bhutto family

 

[Contrarian]

The Indians must also realise that such attempts to strategically encircle Pakistan may result in Pakistan's enhanced moral and diplomatic support for Indian secessionist movements. And it wont be a pretty site when such a response is initiated.

If such Indian actions continue beyond certain thresholds, the happy Indian posters on Indian discussion forums, whenever there are deaths in Pakistan due to terror, may not be able to remain happy for long.

I think the Indians realize that they cannot launch a conventional attack from Afghanistan into Pakistan due to poor logistical capability on the Indian side and other political considerations. That is why they have changed their strategy and started supporting proxy elements inside Pakistan through Afghanistan. You don't really think those dozens of consulates are present to provide visas to poor Afghans, their only purpose is to support secessionist elements in Pakistan and create havoc. They have flushed these secessionist elements with massive funds and weaponry. Thus in my opinion, India has successfully succeeded in her strategic aim of destabilizing Pakistan through a proxy war.

Not to point out something very pertinent in your analysis or anything. But do consider the fact that India was able to not only survive but put down the only viable secession movement in India - in Kashmir, when India was at her nadir and Pakistan in terms of power(economic/military/diplomatic) was at her zenith vis-a-vis India.

Today, i feel you donot realize just how much the circumstances have changed. How much India's military, economic, political/ public relations strength has grown. And India has left Pakistan miles behind in this great game. India is not as straitjacketed as it used to be in the 90's. This is the macro scenario in which you believe Pakistan can achieve success of a secession movement in India by its backing.

When it comes to micro scenario - India has used the past decade to completely ramp up its infrastructure related to Pakistani pushing of insurgents across borders. From deploying more troops to having better equipped troops to employing a whole host of technologies and obstacles to make infiltration multiple times tougher than it used to be in the 90's even if Pakistani Army fully backs such infiltration bids.

Regarding funding/backing other movements using BD or Nepal. Well, BD has changed too.

Today India can spread secessionism in Pakistan without a corresponding and an equal counteraction even with US remaining neutral to both sides by sheer gains that India has made. And in any such venture of both India and Pakistan, today India does have the wherewithal to be more effective.

 

[deckingraj]

I think the Indians realize that they cannot launch a conventional attack from Afghanistan into Pakistan due to poor logistical capability on the Indian side and other political considerations.

There is nothing to realize there..even a child can crack that....However if one is hell bent on imagining things then one can hardly do anything about it...

That is why they have changed their strategy and started supporting proxy elements inside Pakistan through Afghanistan. You don't really think those dozens of consulates are present to provide visas to poor Afghans, their only purpose is to support secessionist elements in Pakistan and create havoc. They have flushed these secessionist elements with massive funds and weaponry. Thus in my opinion, India has successfully succeeded in her strategic aim of destabilizing Pakistan through a proxy war.

Well i guess Pakistani friends first need to make up their mind on who is actually after this so called proxy war(even though not an iota of proof has been shared but let's leave that for a moment). On one hand they say that US and Afghan forces are leaving porus borders just to ease out movement of Afghan terrorists to hurt Pakistani interests and in the same breath they blame these so called indian consulates....but not sure if anyone is ready to look at Pakistan's U-turn on terror definition post 9/11 viz-a-viz terror shelters that Pakistani generals were happily sponsoring...

 

[Ticker]

Not to point out something very pertinent in your analysis or anything. But do consider the fact that India was able to not only survive but put down the only viable secession movement in India - in Kashmir, when India was at her nadir and Pakistan in terms of power(economic/military/diplomatic) was at her zenith vis-a-vis India.

Today, i feel you donot realize just how much the circumstances have changed. How much India's military, economic, political/ public relations strength has grown. And India has left Pakistan miles behind in this great game. India is not as straitjacketed as it used to be in the 90's. This is the macro scenario in which you believe Pakistan can achieve success of a secession movement in India by its backing.

When it comes to micro scenario - India has used the past decade to completely ramp up its infrastructure related to Pakistani pushing of insurgents across borders. From deploying more troops to having better equipped troops to employing a whole host of technologies and obstacles to make infiltration multiple times tougher than it used to be in the 90's even if Pakistani Army fully backs such infiltration bids.

Regarding funding/backing other movements using BD or Nepal. Well, BD has changed too.

Today India can spread secessionism in Pakistan without a corresponding and an equal counteraction even with US remaining neutral to both sides by sheer gains that India has made. And in any such venture of both India and Pakistan, today India does have the wherewithal to be more effective.

The geopolitical realities for a hemmed in India from three sides does not auger well and neither places India in a stronger position to assert itself despite its economic growth and defence spending. This is a reality factor that you may like to understand more.

When you interfere through use of terrorism in Pakistan you must expect a response beyond a certain level. And you must remember that Indian fault lines can also be exploited equally well if not more. India may have more wherewithal, yet the space has not totally been closed and remains exploitative and thus exploitable. After all, when the Americans draw down in Afghanistan, where will the fighters go next.