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Ahmedis are Sunnis? And when did this happen? Oh wait you mean to say Ahmedis are Sunni and they're not redical, but others are in word 'most'? You're mixing up so many things.
Dont waste your time on these people. They are above argument.

Interesting. Very interesting! If this is the thing, then why do we have so many conflicts? Oh wait Imam Abu Hanifa believes in last prophet but Ahmedis don't. Sir Jiii gets your facts right.
Ahmedi is a totally different sect.
Sorry! Are you serious? They are not a completely other sect but an other religion. They may call themselves hindu or christian or whatever they want. But according to Pakistani law they are non Muslim just like hindus.

No Fiqha deals with jurisprudence. It's not the same as beliefs. Educate yourself what Fiqha is.
Educate yourself about Islam before teaching others about fiqah. Fiqah deals with jurisprudence and whose jurisprudence whose law. Law of prophet Muhammad not some Mirza from place called Qadiyan. Ahmedis and Mirza both are disgrace for Islam and Pakistan.
 
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Educate yourself about Islam before teaching others about fiqah. Fiqah deals with jurisprudence and whose jurisprudence whose law. Law of prophet Muhammad not some Mirza from place called Qadiyan. Ahmedis and Mirza both are disgrace for Islam and Pakistan.
Ahmedis follow law of prophet Muhammad but they follow teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed
 
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Ahmedis follow law of prophet Muhammad but they follow teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed
Aqedah comes first. Jurisprudence is secondary issue. By believing in another prophet they no more remains the part of Ummah. Now which law they follow will not gave them any good. They are non muslims like Hindus. They can do what they want.
 
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Sorry! Are you serious? They are not a completely other sect but an other religion. They may call themselves hindu or christian or whatever they want. But according to Pakistani law they are non Muslim just like hindus

I am serious. I don't want to get into any trouble or get my first ban. If they believe, they are Muslims, let them. Plus, my problem is not what religion they belong to, it's up to Allah. He knows the best. But my problem is their double standards. Enough said.

Dont waste your time on these people. They

I figured. :)

I agree, having been blessed to have read the holy book myself albeit not an expert on it, but broadly the teachings are indeed enlightening and at times eerily are no different from other holy books whose wisdom indeed has been lost by humans over the time.

Said it enough.

When it was claimed on the thread earlier that it is not easy to become Muslim, in fact, it was a false hood that was claimed.

What? Really? Must be said by the person who never even studied Quran.

With regards to your statement that all faiths have some basic concept, I would say the basic concept of Hinduism is not to have a concept. Every Hindu needs to discover on what he/she wants to believe in.

Hence as an outsider, I do not understand your religion. I was just curious on the differences in various Abrahamic religions. I just understand that Islam has issues with Ahmadiyyas and Christians has with Mormons.

Anyway it's none my business.


Hahah too early to figure it out, it's none of your business. :p

Ahmedis follow law of prophet Muhammad but they follow teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed

You're making me laugh. Sorry but you are. :D

How on the earth you follow the law of the person but doesn't follow the person. And the law says He's last messenger and don't follow it. On the other hand says, follow the teachings of MG.
 
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You are taking one idiot and quoting him? If there was a problem in India, wouldn't muslim and all non-hindu population in India be wiped out by now?

Don't waste your time. Visit India and see it. You will know the realities yourself.
I think subcontinent has a lot of fanatical people and I am not targeting any religion or ehnicity. But I guess with quality education and better living standard, this may change.
 
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ISI has better things to do.

The Pakistan ISI uses Khalistanis and Islamists to undermine me in India


Many of you have been sent an underhandedly recorded video of me talking about what appears to be the future of India. Except the discussion was about the bankruptcy of the idea of Khalistan, not the future of India.

The editors of this video have carefully excluded from the clip any reference to the real subject of the discussion that took place between me and a group of young Canadian Sikhs associated with the World Sikh Organisation (WSO), and who were sympathizers of the Pakistan-based Khalistan movement.

The edited video being distributed by Pakistani and Indian Islamists with the active help of left-wing Indians on Twitter was shot around 2003 or 2004 in Toronto. It happened after I had come out denouncing the WSO and the Khalistan movement, condemning it as a Pakistan-based terrorist movement. These young Sikh students called me and wanted to meet me and debate the controversy.

The discussion took over an hour during which my position was very clear:

If these Sikhs in Canada wanted to have an independent Punjab, I was all for it if its capital was the Pakistani city of Lahore and included not just Amritsar, Jullundur and Ludhiana, but also Nankana Sahib, Gujranwala and Rawalpindi (all inside Pakistani Punjab).

It is an argument that I still make in all my confrontations with the supporters of Khalistan who have thrived in Canada, thanks to vote-bank politics and an active role played by the Pakistani consulates both in Toronto and Vancouver.

It is in this context that I made the following remarks that are today being distributed to position me as some ISI plant working to undermine India.

“…You see it (India) was never one country, even during the British. British India is not not once.. India has never been one entity even under Asoka, even under Aurangzeb; it has never been a country. The future that I see, if I had my dreams come true, are about the sub-continent being something like Europe where the entities that exist are Bengal, places like Punjab shouldn’t be single entities, shouldn’t have borders but should have common currencies, but we are different countries, I don’t disagree. There is more in common between someone between say Lahore and Delhi than there is someone between Delhi and Madras.”
I still maintain that Hindustan was never one sovereign territory under one ruler whether it was the Gupta dynasty, the Moguls, the barbarian Sultans or under Vijayanagra Empire. In fact Kerala has only been ruled from Delhi under British colonial rule.

If this was not a discussion about Khalistan, there is no way I would have made the above statement. In polemics the absurdity of an argument is at times best exposed through an equally absurd argument. Such is the battlefield of impromptu debate over heated issues.

Notwithstanding the unethical practice of the Khalistanis of secret recordings and and then dispensing it to the Pakistani Islamists, the agenda of the Pakistani Islamists and their Indian soul mates to depicted me as a ISI mole trying to weave myself into the Indian fabric and narrative will not succeed.

I’m sorry Islamabad and Rawalpindi, but I don’t scare easily. In 2008 when I wrote “I am an Indian born in Pakistan…” as the first words of my book “The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State,” I had never visited India and never thought I’d be so involved in the fight against Islamism that faces India from within and from across the border.

Tough luck ISI, you guys are good, but not as good as you claim to be.

Your touts inside India have been exposed and I am still standing strong.

The Pakistani and Indian Islamists and the ‘Hindu Left’ who have flooded Twitter to undermine my credibility, need to answer one question:



“Where is the full unedited unaltered copy of this video and why are you not sharing it?”

Article by: Tarek Fatah

tarek.fatah@gmail.com

http://www.newdelhitimes.com/the-pa...tanis-and-islamists-to-undermine-me-in-india/
 
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India won't break. If it does, probably not this century. While I do believe separatism will increase, as India gets richer, and wealth disparity between Indian states gets bigger and bigger, I also believe that nationalism among the general population will also grow. Indian exceptional-ism will increase, as the belief among the population will be that India as a global power is the natural way of the world.

While I don't think India will reach global power status this century, it will next century.

We still remain almost 84 years to finish this century.Why 84 years, even on 2025-2030, India will be the 3rd largest economy(now 3rd as per GDP (PPP)) as per GDP nominal overtaking Japan and is fastest major economy in the world.

Now take the case of important sectors where India stand:-

3rd largest electricity producing country(almost 300GW) and keep in mind that pakistan producing just around 20GW.Coal,cement,steel,oil consumption,road network,rail network,software,pharmaceutical,arms importer,remittance,automobile industry,retail market,gold consumption,space power etc and all these major parameters india stand 1st,2nd,3rd,4th etc in world stage.

Above all almost 30% youth population of the world is an Indian.

@RiazHaq
 
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many were dreaming & are still dreaming of dividing india ,but in the way they themselves get divided & humilated ,indian boundary have only increase after independence but for some others its the other way around
 
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Ya sure Mr. Shaik Chill. I myself planning to be the President of the new countries :rofl:

What's new here ??? Theory of disintegration of India is just a "theory" since independence ;)

Good luck to the day dreamers
 
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We still remain almost 84 years to finish this century.Why 84 years, even on 2025-2030, India will be the 3rd largest economy(now 3rd as per GDP (PPP)) as per GDP nominal overtaking Japan and is fastest major economy in the world.

Now take the case of important sectors where India stand:-

3rd largest electricity producing country(almost 300GW) and keep in mind that pakistan producing just around 20GW.Coal,cement,steel,oil consumption,road network,rail network,software,pharmaceutical,arms importer,remittance,automobile industry,retail market,gold consumption,space power etc and all these major parameters india stand 1st,2nd,3rd,4th etc in world stage.

Above all almost 30% youth population of the world is an Indian.

@RiazHaq
Don't forget huge military budget and technical advancement because of pour of more money in R&D, space tech etc..
http: //defence forum india. com/forum/threads/indias-defence-exports-likely-to-surge-40-this-year.74433/page-2#post-1158778
Remove the spaces and open the link.
 
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Have you seen German election and US election coverage lately? They are also following Indian Political foot steps!!!! LOL........

It is the new regular ... like the new face of Islam for the world is increasingly ISIS ..... and identification with terror .... even the French president called it Islamic terror ....... that is being the lowest form of religious identification .... sad!

Yeah, German and American politicians are talking about combating Islamic terrorism which endangers their citizens while BJP talks about combating Islamic "terrorism" which endangers their cows. Do you see the difference here?
 
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India is more unified and integrated now as it could have ever been in the past. The reason is simple-1991 reforms that is liberalisation, globalisation and rise of private sector. 3 decades back, people used to stay in their own state not to say their own hometown, village or district. But now even students need to migrate to other states to study. Graduates are migrating to 1-tier cities to get a job. North Indians are going to Bangalore, hyderabad, mumbai, chennai, coimbatore, pune while many south indians are coming to delhi, noida, chandigarh, gurugram. Village youth who are employed in paramilitary forces, milatary are going to far-flung remote areas of india to do their service. North Indians enjoy dosa more than sholay bhature. Wheat is becoming staple diet for some south indians. Sarees are now preferred by punjabis and haryanvis women whose traditional dresses was salwar kameez.
According to Tarek Fatah, the logic that india was never a unified country is absolutely right but the time has now completely changed. History of subcontinent does not matter much now. India is now an industrialised state where 950 million people have mobile connections and they are members of new information age.
Ashoka could not have unified India because there was no need for it. For Ashoka Western India( now pakistan, afghanistan) was more important than kerala. But now things are completely different. Even if say i don't like Vizag being a haryanvi; i still have to work here because the multinational i am working in, don't have production facility in haryana. And i am seriously liking this place. I studied from Varanasi and working in Vizag. This was not a common scenario 3 decades back.
So the logic that Indians are very diverse and India should be divided in small enitities like europe is a logical fallacy. India will remain united untill globalisation and capitalism stays in the world and that doesnot seems to be replaced in the near future.
 
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Well, it is true that India was never a single entity in history before 1950. So what? US was never a single entity. Neither was EU. We have a constitution which ensures fairness and freedom for all people. We can stay united on the basis of this protection.

This will clear the doubt for those people.

Mere Pakistani Bhaiyo Pls check and read before commenting

https://defence.pk/threads/why-india-is-a-nation.427732/
 
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