India will become permanent member of UN Security Council: Sushma Swaraj

[Tshering22]

China was never fully occupied by Imperial Japan (at their greatest extent they occupied around 1/4 of China's territory), we actually fought back. That's why we were recognized as an independent nation in 1945, and why we got the UNSC permanent seat while India got nothing, because India didn't exist at that point.

That's why I said, wholly or partially colonised.

At its peak, almost half of your territory was Japanese owned. Here:

You got the seat in 1971, the year in which we were very much there.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That's why I said, wholly or partially colonised.

At its peak, almost half of your territory was Japanese owned. Here:

You got the seat in 1971, the year in which we were very much there.

The UNSC seat doesn't belong to a government, it belongs to a country.

The seat from the "Republic of China" was passed to the "People's Republic of China" in 1971 after the world recognized the latter as the representative of the country China.

In the same way, the seat passed from the Soviet Union to the Russian Federation.

India never existed in 1945 so there was never any question of them getting a UNSC permanent seat. How can you give a permanent seat to a country that does not exist?

 

[footmarks]

Current world scenario, whether you look at it from population perspective, or economic heft, or defense force, or geographic size and location, UK doesn't seem fit to be a permanent member of UNSC, ahead of Germany in europe. Brazil, south africa and Australia demand it for inclusive membership from all continents. As for India, we want that too, for a number of reasons, some of which are wishful, most are factual. Given the future prospects of India vis-a-vis the world, it's just a matter of time that we will get it.

By 2020, top 5 countries by projected GDP: US, China, Japan, Germany, India

Strongest armed forces ranking of top 5: US, Russia, China, Japan, India

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mili...credit-suisse-report-on-globalisation.401495/

India is already the 2nd most populous country, 7th largest in size and is a major soft power too. How long can you keep India out?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Current world scenario, whether you look at it from population perspective, or economic heft, or defense force, or geographic size and location, UK doesn't seem fit to be a permanent member of UNSC, ahead of Germany in europe. Brazil, south africa and Australia demand it for inclusive membership from all continents. As for India, we want that too, for a number of reasons, some of which are wishful, most are factual. Given the future prospects of India vis-a-vis the world, it's just a matter of time that we will get it.

By 2020, top 5 countries by projected GDP: US, China, Japan, Germany, India

Strongest armed forces ranking of top 5: US, Russia, China, Japan, India

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mili...credit-suisse-report-on-globalisation.401495/

India is already the 2nd most populous country, 7th largest in size and is a major soft power too. How long can you keep India out?

None of those points were the criteria to become a permanent member of the UNSC.

Look at China in 1945. We were a destroyed and completely undeveloped country, with less technological know-how than modern day Sudan.

The criteria to become a UNSC permanent member was to have been a major independent country on the allied side of WW2. That's all.

 

[Gibbs]

 

[ashok321]

On this issue, all the P-5 entertain India with their lip-service.
Imagine China blocking Indian NSG entry, but conceding UNSC membership.

Lol

Read my hips lips
India will only get it after 40 years.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

The pie of UNSC is pretty well divided among the great powers.

All those who pay lip service to the entery of new members into the Card Holders' Club are doing so to sell their goods i.e. weapons and other stuff.

If and when any expansion will happen it would be without any Card/Veto powers.

Who in their right mind will dilute their diplomatic muscle and for whom?

What might emerge in about a decade plus or so will be non-veto additions from South America, Europe, ME and Asia. Balance of power will be maintained. I expect Pak and Indonesia to be on the list as well.

Otherwise, the Club will be overwhelmingly pro West which neither China nor Russia would allow.

So all we can hear for some very long time to come is just claims. Nothing will happen on this front.

 

[Gibbs]

There was only one requirement to become a UNSC P5 member... to have been a major independent power on the Allied side of WW2 in 1945.

That's all.

India did not exist in 1945, so they did not qualify. And Britain already had a P5 seat.

You cannot emphasize this enough to some deluded Indian posters here, Every few weeks they will post some one or another trying to pacify the Indian media or give a slight boost to their little ego's

And that story about Nehru being offered a permanent seat is nothing but hearsay, Just fodder for the gullible masses

 

[footmarks]

None of those points were the criteria to become a permanent member of the UNSC.

Look at China in 1945. We were a destroyed and completely undeveloped country, with less technological know-how than modern day Sudan.

The criteria to become a UNSC permanent member was to have been a major independent country on the allied side of WW2. That's all.

Yes it Was the case indeed. As realities change, either global order need to recaliberate, or it faces prospects of becoming redundent. I am not saying India will get UNSC permanent seat soon, but it should. Why India, or for that matter any other country, is not getting the membership - it boils down to the existing members not wanting their power to get diluted.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes it Was the case indeed. As realities change, either global order need to recaliberate, or it faces prospects of becoming redundent. I am not saying India will get UNSC permanent seat soon, but it should. Why India, or for that matter any other country, is not getting the membership - it boils down to the existing members not wanting their power to get diluted.

Which is exactly how geopolitics works.

In geopolitics, the most important thing is national self-interests. Nobody wants to dilute their own veto power.

 

[twocents]

You cannot emphasize this enough to some deluded Indian posters here, Every few weeks they will post some one or another trying to pacify the Indian media or give a slight boost to their little ego's

And that story about Nehru being offered a permanent seat is nothing but hearsay, Just fodder for the gullible masses

More than for the guillible masses, even the "Indian elite circle" believes that sort of nonsense as well. The current national security advisor Doval to this day still blames Nehru for India not getting UNSC permanent membership.

 

[footmarks]

Which is exactly how geopolitics works.

In geopolitics, the most important thing is national self-interests. Nobody wants to dilute their own veto power.

Agreed, but after a time, this become redundant: veto and counter-veto. In cold war era days (US and USSR) we have seen this and mught see it again in near future (US and China)- nothing moves in UNSC. one of the countries will move a resolution and other one vetoes it, world moves on as it is, UN become just a spectator sport. When one country outside of UNSC will become equal or bigger than few of those inside, no resolution or veto would be able to stop it from doing what it wants to do - UN becomes redundent. As seen in past as well as in future scenario, there is a risk of UNSC becoming redundent.

My personal take on this is simple - we should not have any chair like UNSC at all. Beats the purpose of UN with centralizing the power to a handful of countries while putting a facade of UN being an organisation of all countries. It's a relic of post-WW2 era, and sadly, i guess it will take a WW3 to reform (it doesn't seem fit enough to avoid WW3 with participant UNSC members that have been hostile towards each other)

 

[Finer]

Having China as an ally is an asset. However, Pakistan shouldn't be relying on China to do its batting, China will act in its own interest.

What Pakistan should do is sort out its own house and be in a position to demand entry for itself enabling China to use Pakistan as a counter-weight to India's demand either preventing their entry or joining the council with them.

Technically, China is acting out in its own interest to level the playing field by keeping India at bay using Pakistan as politically front.

 

[faithfulguy]

China was one of the poorest countries in the world when it was made a UN permanent member, the criteria by which it became one was because of its huge population and because it was on the winning side by default.

India has long qualified to be a permanent member for its sheer size and population, economy or achievements isn't the criteria to become a member - china wouldn't have been one if that was the case.

China was a major Allie in WWII. India was represented by the British. That was how UNSC was chosen.

That's why I said, wholly or partially colonised.

At its peak, almost half of your territory was Japanese owned. Here:

You got the seat in 1971, the year in which we were very much there.

Was Russia almost colonized by Nazi Germany while France was wholly colonized by the Nazies in your definition?

 

[Verve]

The pie of UNSC is pretty well divided among the great powers.

All those who pay lip service to the entery of new members into the Card Holders' Club are doing so to sell their goods i.e. weapons and other stuff.

If and when any expansion will happen it would be without any Card/Veto powers.

Who in their right mind will dilute their diplomatic muscle and for whom?

What might emerge in about a decade plus or so will be non-veto additions from South America, Europe, ME and Asia. Balance of power will be maintained. I expect Pak and Indonesia to be on the list as well.

Otherwise, the Club will be overwhelmingly pro West which neither China nor Russia would allow.

So all we can hear for some very long time to come is just claims. Nothing will happen on this front.

Did you not get the memo on India being the greatest nation in the universe with the most money that countries like Russia would collapse without Indian cash?

In all honesty, brain of Hallucinating Hindu is beyond repair. The Supremacy Bug has killed the 'rational' part completely.