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Second, we have to think how to get a person actually benefit from education. Our education system basis is very old and antiquated and perhaps this is where we need to look into. After certain minimum school education, perhaps we need to classify a student and see if Vocational training could be of more use rather than formal education. Services is already becoming a huge part of our economy and if we can get skilled professionals, they can actually make a better difference to not only society but tho their lives as well by earning handsomely based on skills.
This should off course be complimented by higher order institutes for skill enhancement so that a person can grow intellectually as well.
IMHO sectors like Farming, Dairy, Leather and wood working, electronic repair, nursing, animal husbandry, metal working and welding, construction, machinery repair could be a few sectors which need to be covered under such a proposed system.

The purpose of education should be to bring about a qualitative change in a person's life and not merely give him Diplomas. For this system needs to be overhauled radically.

Excellent analysis, This is not only true for India but across the region, Old archaic system of examinations, The region as a whole need to overhaul it's Education system

Btw Finland has the most educated population in the world with 100% literacy rate and 100% quality education,.. Why ? Finland banned home work, For their primary schoolers, Instead they give their kids free time to be kids,(Contrary to popular belief, Older grades do have home work) the result is the best education system in the world


 
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Yes two things need to be considered.
First Enrollment in a class doesn't imply anything (most of the times). Often these figures present a very distorted figure and doesn't indicate if there are students in class, teacher for the class or even a physical classroom. My wife often quotes an example while she was doing B Ed. You are required to teach in classrooms during the course and she used to go to a place near Sadabad (UP) from Agra in a village primary school. To her shock, the primary school building was used for all kinds of activities (including a wedding party accommodation, rallies, you name it...but teaching)
Most of the times students were nowhere to be seen and only thing that attracted the was mid day meal.
As for teachers, they had their own private businesses going and unfortunately most were unpaid for several months (probably forcing them to look elsewhere to make ends meet).
You can imagine what this setup would be doing on actual ground progress other than may be generate some artificial numbers for state government and education department to brag about.
this has to stop through an independent regulatory mechanism. We talk of corruption in various walks of life, but perhaps this is most cruel form where a child's formative and learning years are robbed away making his/her life miserable.

Second, we have to think how to get a person actually benefit from education. Our education system basis is very old and antiquated and perhaps this is where we need to look into. After certain minimum school education, perhaps we need to classify a student and see if Vocational training could be of more use rather than formal education. Services is already becoming a huge part of our economy and if we can get skilled professionals, they can actually make a better difference to not only society but tho their lives as well by earning handsomely based on skills.
This should off course be complimented by higher order institutes for skill enhancement so that a person can grow intellectually as well.
IMHO sectors like Farming, Dairy, Leather and wood working, electronic repair, nursing, animal husbandry, metal working and welding, construction, machinery repair could be a few sectors which need to be covered under such a proposed system.

The purpose of education should be to bring about a qualitative change in a person's life and not merely give him Diplomas. For this system needs to be overhauled radically.

or else life unfortunately would become as this joke tells (in context of countless engineering colleges operating in country)
Son what are you doing after your B Tech?
Regret
:bad:

@thesolar65 @Levina @AUSTERLITZ @Joe Shearer

Yup very true indeed! This is the next level of it...changing/upgrading the "software"! Just as important as the "hardware" prevalence....if not even more.

You are right that completion rate is also just as important as sheer enrolment too. There are some completion rate/transfer rate figures given in the tables above too. Lots and lots of scope for improvement in post-primary for sure.
 
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Yes two things need to be considered.
First Enrollment in a class doesn't imply anything (most of the times). Often these figures present a very distorted picture and doesn't indicate if there are students in class, teacher for the class or even a physical classroom. My wife often quotes an example while she was doing B Ed. You are required to teach in classrooms during the course and she used to go to a place near Sadabad (UP) from Agra in a village primary school. To her shock, the primary school building was used for all kinds of activities (including a wedding party accommodation, rallies, you name it...but teaching)
Most of the times students were nowhere to be seen and only thing that attracted the was mid day meal.
As for teachers, they had their own private businesses going and unfortunately most were unpaid for several months (probably forcing them to look elsewhere to make ends meet).
You can imagine what this setup would be doing on actual ground progress other than may be generate some artificial numbers for state government and education department to brag about.
this has to stop through an independent regulatory mechanism. We talk of corruption in various walks of life, but perhaps this is most cruel form where a child's formative and learning years are robbed away making his/her life miserable.

Second, we have to think how to get a person actually benefit from education. Our education system basis is very old and antiquated and perhaps this is where we need to look into. After certain minimum school education, perhaps we need to classify a student and see if Vocational training could be of more use rather than formal education. Services is already becoming a huge part of our economy and if we can get skilled professionals, they can actually make a better difference to not only society but tho their lives as well by earning handsomely based on skills.
This should off course be complimented by higher order institutes for skill enhancement so that a person can grow intellectually as well.
IMHO sectors like Farming, Dairy, Leather and wood working, electronic repair, nursing, animal husbandry, metal working and welding, construction, machinery repair could be a few sectors which need to be covered under such a proposed system.

The purpose of education should be to bring about a qualitative change in a person's life and not merely give him Diplomas. For this system needs to be overhauled radically.

or else life unfortunately would become as this joke tells (in context of countless engineering colleges operating in country)
Son what are you doing after your B Tech?
Regret :bad:


@thesolar65 @Levina @AUSTERLITZ @Joe Shearer

Exactly, Nice analysis. The last two lines make me sad but it is a reality. Thank god my elder child (daughter) choose to become a lawyer. Now I am remembering, how me and my wife used to scold her for choosing law as a subject.

And to further @anant_s analysis, I am posting a letter from Singapore school Principal to the parents of students before exam.
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Indian schooling system is simply horrendous, still have nightmares about school...
 
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The shit India has gone through over the centuries. ..I am glad that we are being given targets that are basically white man's problems and are being forced to achieve high end targets.

The basic tenets of successful organization's is to keep upgrading achievable targets...and, when it comes to India..even basic's are gigantic in proportion when one considers 1/6th of humanity.

The silver lining is India is pushing itself and is advancing in all spheres. The only similar example would be the Chinese with its population..but the Chinese are a homogenous population with almost 100 % Han and a almost 100% single dialect and a authoritative dictatorship in power...In India, the same achievements are 100 times more difficult.
China's education spending accounts for 4% of the budget.
In 2015, China's education spending is 2.448822 trillion yuan . About $400 billion. About 24 trillion rupees.
India?
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China's education spending accounts for 4% of the budget.
In 2015, China's education spending is 2.448822 trillion yuan . About $400 billion. About 24 trillion rupees.
India?
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Half a trillion dollars, that's the spending for all sectors of education.
Public free compulsory education was given 188 billion dollars in 2014.

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Government investment in compulsory education has grown at an annual rate of 19.4 percent over the past decade, an official with the Ministry of Finance said on Friday.

The public budget for compulsory education was 1.1993 trillion yuan (188 billion U.S. dollars) in 2014 while the figure for 2005 was 243.2 billion yuan, said Yu Weiping, vice Finance Minister, at a press conference.
 
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China's education spending accounts for 4% of the budget.
In 2015, China's education spending is 2.448822 trillion yuan . About $400 billion. About 24 trillion rupees.
India?
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Bangladesh will be spending about 1.8% of its GDP for education in 2016-17 - which is half of what India spends for education. This is shortsighted and bad.

We could have made our population much more ready for the future with a bit of incremental spending.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/education/2015/jun/02/education-sector-get-105-budget
 
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Indian schooling system is simply horrendous, still have nightmares about school...

Same here... Still have nightmares of those surprise tests. Thank God its over.
 
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600 million in middle class? Define middle class.



You are right. These targets are White men's problems. But since India adopted White men's form of government, shouldn't this make solving White men's problems easier?

What I tried to make you understand is that the same problem is 10x when it comes to India..imagine educating the whole of Europe and Africa together. The issue is India has more languages and cultural differences than both these continents put together.
 
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Bangladesh will be spending about 1.8% of its GDP for education in 2016-17 - which is half of what India spends for education. This is shortsighted and bad.

We could have made our population much more ready for the future with a bit of incremental spending.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/education/2015/jun/02/education-sector-get-105-budget

This is what happens when your budget is only 18% of GDP.
One of BD's most urgent issues is to try to raise this to around 25% of GDP as soon as possible.
The extra money should go to education, health and infrastructure.
 
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Modi administration should have a sustainable "Education India" program, before any other "xyz India" slogans. It will have a much more profound impact on Indian society than anything else. The enrollment rates published by government do not give a whole picture, nor dose the official literacy rate.
 
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The enrollment rates published by government do not give a whole picture, nor dose the official literacy rate.

You do realise how these numbers are gathered and published (by UNESCO) right?

It is a very large undertaking through numerous UN monitored and end-verified surveys and sampling....across the whole world.

It is not a loose estimate based on little data put out by a govt to give a limited picture or something.

This will be the last time I mention this to you: A large part of Modi's efforts in development revolve around the NEP (New Education Policy)....which is quite an achievement by itself compared to previous plans/projections. If you want to pooh pooh that, come back with some substance first.
 
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