India will be a Hindu nation by 2020, world by 2030: VHP’s Ashok Singhal

[Tridibans]

Yes, we are well aware of the number of innocent people being killed as a result of Indian sponsored cross-border terrorism in our country, but surely and steadily it is coming back to normal after we are taking care of your proxy TTP, BLA etc.

The main cause of trouble in the region are fanatics - both Muslim Jihadis and Hindu Jihadis.

The extremist ideology always starts with:

"my faith is right and everyone else must accept it. There is no other option".

The extremists in your country have overtaken the govt and now have become a major cause of trouble in an already volatile region.

Not true. Nobody in the government are extremist. Don't judge sitting in Lahore or Karachi and reading a few hateful speeches by opposition politicians. How many attacks on Muslims/ Christians have taken place after BJP came to power? Infact, under Modi, first time for centuries Gujarat didn't see a single riot for 12 years since 2002.

Its not as if before BJP Hindus and Muslims never had a problem. What about 1947 then? Infact, being from Pakistan and separating from us, you should be the last pone pointing fingers at Indian extremism.

As far as Indian involvement is concerned, its all false and lies. NOT A SINGLE UNITED NATIONS INITIATED./ DECLARED Indian terrorist activity is documented, not even US/UK/China support you guys. Every now and then your media reports that evidence will be shared with the world.... WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

On the contrary, whole world believes our evidence and UN has banned LeT, Jamaat ud Dwah.... US/France/ Russia all support our stance about Jihadists from Pakistan.

 

[Al Bhatti]

Yea they think" Ghar wapsi" programme will convert (or rather revert in their book) all Muslims of India into Hinduism by 2020

World by 2030

What about ghar wapsi for ETs?

so what is the deadline for the complete Galaxy and what about the other galaxies?

 

[jamahir]

Do you think only Christians and Muslims are fanatical in their faith and beliefs?

no, i don't think that... and you know, there have been more socialist countries from among muslims and christians than hindus.

I have news for you. We've been around a whole lot longer. And we're still around, and in sizeable numbers. Without conversions. Purely on the dint of our own loins and wombs.

true.

Because we will make it. Hope to see you pull your own weight alongside.

yes, i am there, working and talking for people including hindus and hindis.

@jamahir

Reported your post.

i don't see why... i was being calm and not calling anyone names.

See this is exactly my point. If we say anything either fatwas are issued or guys do suicide bombings like in Syria/ Paris shooting ..... but you can insult our gods and beliefs and still claim to be secular.

i find pdf management to be very tolerant... i was in a conversation where a member called prophet jesus and prophet muhammad as deriving their visions from epilepsy and drug addiction... epilepsy is fine but them being druggies??

there have been posts where people have insulted great heroes of modern times and i have tried to reason with them... insulting human heroes is far more outrageous than me or others questioning divinity.

 

[doppelganger]

Not true. Nobody in the government are extremist. Don't judge sitting in Lahore or Karachi and reading a few hateful speeches by opposition politicians. How many attacks on Muslims/ Christians have taken place after BJP came to power? Infact, under Modi, first time for centuries Gujarat didn't see a single riot for 12 years since 2002.

Its not as if before BJP Hindus and Muslims never had a problem. What about 1947 then? Infact, being from Pakistan and separating from us, you should be the last pone pointing fingers at Indian extremism.

As far as Indian involvement is concerned, its all false and lies. NOT A SINGLE UN INITIATED./ DECLARED Indian terrorist activity is documented, not even US/UK/China support you guys. Every now and then your media reports that evidence will be shared with the world.... WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

On the contrary, whole world believes our evidence and UN has banned LeT, Jamaat ud Dwah.... US/France/ Russia all support our stance about Jihadists from Pakistan.

A nuanced reply. Appreciated a lot more than my previous tongue in cheek response.

no, i don't think that... and you know, there have been more socialist countries from among muslims and christians than hindus.

What can we do. You (Christians and Muslims) have so many, so some to spare.

We have only one, and would prefer not wasting time on foolish experiments. (cue: see West Bengal and Kerala - or pre 1991 India)

 

[NKVD]

those atheist were never really atheist, after all they love rss and its propagation of 330 million gods and goddesses... those "atheists" are simply anti-islam, anti-christianity and anti-communism/socialism, even if they are members with names like @Marxist and @NKVD .

Your Demented Knowledge about RSS Non of My Concern.Call your-Self true Atheist .
Then Search for True Knowledge. Atheist is a Researcher and Scholar who Always Search for Truth of the Universe

I Pity you are Called yourself Atheist When you are Trapped yourself in a Cocoon of your Own Beliefs And Worship it like Monastic Way.Can't Tolerate Different Thoughts in Opposition to Your beliefs .You are A Farce Socialist

 

[coffee_cup]

Not true. Nobody in the government are extremist. Don't judge sitting in Lahore or Karachi and reading a few hateful speeches by opposition politicians. How many attacks on Muslims/ Christians have taken place after BJP came to power? Infact, under Modi, first time for centuries Gujarat didn't see a single riot for 12 years since 2002.

Its not as if before BJP Hindus and Muslims never had a problem. What about 1947 then? Infact, being from Pakistan and separating from us, you should be the last pone pointing fingers at Indian extremism.

As far as Indian involvement is concerned, its all false and lies. NOT A SINGLE UN INITIATED./ DECLARED Indian terrorist activity is documented, not even US/UK/China support you guys. Every now and then your media reports that evidence will be shared with the world.... WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

On the contrary, whole world believes our evidence and UN has banned LeT, Jamaat ud Dwah.... US/France/ Russia all support our stance about Jihadists from Pakistan.

I thought you were a serious forum member, unless I read few of your previous posts and now this:

"Not true. Nobody in the government are extremist."
"Infact, under Modi, first time for centuries Gujarat didn't see a single riot for 12 years since 2002."
"As far as Indian involvement is concerned, its all false and lies."


As wrote earlier, if you chose to stay in the state of denial, no one can help you! You and doppelganger, enjoy your hindu extremism as long as it last.

With that I rest my case.

 

[doppelganger]

I thought you were a serious forum member, unless I read few of your previous posts and now this:

"Not true. Nobody in the government are extremist."
"Infact, under Modi, first time for centuries Gujarat didn't see a single riot for 12 years since 2002."
"As far as Indian involvement is concerned, its all false and lies."


As wrote earlier, if you chose to stay in the state of denial, no one can help you! You and doppelganger, enjoy your hindu extremism as long as it last.

With that I rest my case.

Please don't go coffee cup.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

How many attacks on Muslims/ Christians have taken place after BJP came to power? Infact, under Modi, first time for centuries Gujarat didn't see a single riot for 12 years since 2002.

The people who organize attacks on Muslims are now in the government and they have refrained from large number of anti-Muslim pograms not to give their own government bad name.

 

[Tridibans]

The people who organize attacks on Muslims are now in the government and they have refrained from large number anti-Muslim pograms not to give their own government bad name.

Our Supreme Court has ruled that he is innocent. Now if you don't believe in our topmost court, then I can't help it.

BTW, under Gandhi/ Jinnah/ Nehru.... millions of Hindus and Muslims were killed. Hence they organized attacks on the opposite faith as per your logic and are all responsible.

 

[coffee_cup]

Our Supreme Court has ruled that he is innocent. Now if you don't believe in our topmost court, then I can't help it.

BTW, under Gandhi/ Jinnah/ Nehru.... millions of Hindus and Muslims were killed. Hence they organized attacks on the opposite faith as per your logic and are all responsible.

With prosecutors being ordered "to stay soft on extremist hindus", it is not surprising that your joke of a justice system always somehow finds a way to set free extremist fantic hindus.

And allows them to get elected to posts as high as PM.

It is not something to cheer about, it is a major cause of worry in any law-abiding country of the world.

 

[Spring Onion]

As is happening in Pakistan today, now that the Hindus, Sardars, Christians, Ahmediyas, and slowly the Shias have been and are being taken care of baaji?

The script sounds familiar. Thankfully we've never seen eye to eye on anything?

Pakistan is faced with world level top level terrorism and everyone irrespective of faith have been killed by terrorists and mostly Muslims have been killed than minorities. as far as shias are concerned against world players including Saudia and Iran are directly involved in nurturing sectarian violence in Pakistan so your comparison with Pakistan is basically flawed and merely a facepalm to save India from getting snubbed.

Whereas in India the situation is totally different you have all internal native Hindu extremist groups openly claim and threaten that they will force Muslims and Christians to convert to hinduisim .

So moral of the story is that you should answer what would be the scenario one all Muslims and Christians in India are converted by Hindus to Hinduism?

RSS was there also man (Nepal). Please read. How could we not? Nepal is as Hindu as we are. More in fact as they do not have the baggage of this secular nonsense.

And we will always have our latth and khaki shorts. Its part of our identity. Also helps in organization and logistics and to maintain the sense of brotherhood and equality across cadre ranks (everyone wears the same, there are no special epaulettes or colors or ribbons for seniors).

Nepal is majority Hindu country but it is not as extremist as India who despite having secular word in constitution failed to practically prove it. Indian Hindu groups have tried their best and and also funded extremism in Nepal to force Nepal for declaring itself a Hindu state which Nepal refused

 

[doppelganger]

And allows them to get elected to posts as high as PM.

Technically he could have been elected the election before he actually was. Yet was not.

The government in power during the duration of his case was hostile to him (understatement of the millennium).

If people were ordered to go soft, it should not have taken over 10 years to acquit him. It would have been an open and shut case as in some banana democracies in the region.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Our Supreme Court has ruled that he is innocent. Now if you don't believe in our topmost court, then I can't help it.

If we assume that Modi did not order the Muslim genocide he did watch it quietly instead of stopping it.

BTW, under Gandhi/ Jinnah/ Nehru.... millions of Hindus and Muslims were killed. Hence they organized attacks on the opposite faith as per your logic and are all responsible.

That was on the time of transition from British colonial government to new independent governments. You cannot compare them with Gujarat genocide orchestrated by Modi.

 

[Tridibans]

If we assume that Modi did not order the Muslim genocide he did watch it quietly instead of stopping it.



That was on the time of transition from British colonial government to new independent governments. You cannot compare them with Gujarat genocide orchestrated by Modi.

Read a little more on Gujarat. It has a history dating back to the 1950s.... Under Congress governments there have been atleast 3 large scale riots. Only Modi is vilified like this. (In fact, under him Gujarat did not have a single riot for 13 years since 2001) The reason being that Congress was wiped out by BJP from Gujarat for the first time ever and they needed a reason to stop him. But boy, did it backfire or what?

With prosecutors being ordered "to stay soft on extremist hindus", it is not surprising that your joke of a justice system always somehow finds a way to set free extremist fantic hindus.

And allows them to get elected to posts as high as PM.

It is not something to cheer about, it is a major cause of worry in any law-abiding country of the world.

You are wrong on so many fronts that I don't know where to start. Enjoy your ride of misconceptions and belief that Modi is extremist while all the time he makes India grow at 8%, stopping extremism throughout the nation and helps eradicate poverty.

BTW, since he came to power, India has witnessed ZERO deaths due to Hindu rioters..... Naxalism has decreased like 50 folds.... not to mention the recent success in NE by our Army.

 

[doppelganger]

Pakistan is faced with world level top level terrorism and everyone irrespective of faith have been killed by terrorists and mostly Muslims have been killed than minorities. as far as shias are concerned against world players including Saudia and Iran are directly involved in nurturing sectarian violence in Pakistan so your comparison with Pakistan is basically flawed and merely a facepalm to save India from getting snubbed.

I respect you so much. And you are a seasoned journalist (as well as nationalist, which is the side that exerts itself here on PDF greater understandably).

It is always extraneous causes out of Pakistan's hands. Left to its own devices, Pakistan would be heaven on earth for all. Right?

Whereas in India the situation is totally different you have all internal native Hindu extremist groups openly claim and threaten that they will force Muslims and Christians to convert to hinduisim .

There is a big difference between claiming and sword jangling and actually doing. Your side does. Or side merely threatens emptily. I don't know if its a good thing or bad. Makes us look weak? Baniyas? Barking dogs?

So moral of the story is that you should answer what would be the scenario one all Muslims and Christians in India are converted by Hindus to Hinduism?

I said it before, and on this thread as well. No one is really interested in reverting Christians and Muslims. If such had been the case, then much like Pakistan, post Independence, over 70 years you would have seen a similar demographic drift and shift.

Instead we see the numbers and percentages actually going up. Either that means we suck at forcing the hand of minorities even when we have huge numerical majority. Or that we're really not interested.

I don't think we suck.

Nepal is majority Hindu country but it is not as extremist as India who despite having secular word in constitution failed to practically prove it. Indian Hindu groups have tried their best and and also funded extremism in Nepal to force Nepal for declaring itself a Hindu state which Nepal refused

Nepal is not different to India in any way. It is India. And is given the space they need. Yet always under our protection. We dont have scores of Hindu nations across the world like the Christians and Muslims do. All of us live right here. So this part of the world will be protected and defended with everything we have.

It must be understood baaji, with all due respect. We've been around for over 5000 years and are still here, and there are over a billion of us.

We stayed here not by only being pacifists and kind. We fought and bled over centuries to survive.

This is our home. The home of our ancestral faith. We will not go easy.