India vehemently ratifies the two nation theory after 8 decades of denial.

[Cherokee]

Pakistani STudent beaten in India --> TNT verified

NDA wins in India --> TNT verified

Bangladesh created out of East Pakistan --> TNT verified .

lulz .

Pakistan is the child of TNT not India .

Progress and economic indicators show who is surging ahead in every aspect and who is getting further into regression .

Astronomically More muslims die in violence in Pakistan every few years than all of India's history combined .

 

[Thorough Pro]

An articulate piece of work, beautiful article Aeronaut.

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Today after 8 decades of self inflicted denial the Hindu majority of India have finally ratified the two nation theory for themselves, by themselves on the democratic ballot box without compulsion or coercion. A resounding victory for the Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi indeed is a new chapter in South Asian history. For his Hindu nation he represents a strong leader, for Muslims of India he remains the butcher of Gujarat with blood on his hands.

With his fundamental support coming from the right wing Hindu camp of the BJP being sufficient for such a victory, the BJP did not care about the Muslim vote for the first time ever. They were simply sidelined as no effective election campaign was mounted to attract the Muslim vote. This electoral segregation will have a deep imprint and strategic implications on Indian social makeup of the future. Since the Muslim vote is not included, their participation in an overwhelmingly BJP govt will cease to exist.

For Pakistan it marks the end of an ideological battle spanning 8 decades. This is a victory we must celebrate, as our historic pretext has dawned into the day of correctness and approval. Visionaries who coined the two nation theory saw this day coming 8 decades ago. Its because of their genius, connection to our past, hard work and sacrifices that we Pakistanis today see the dawn of a day which proved us 'historically right' from this side of the border. It also therefore proves that the struggle of our ancestors for independence was both historically correct and strategically right, henceforth the long treacherous journey, that has tested the Pakistani time and again, has been worth it.

What tomorrow holds for India's Muslim is unknown, though for us we can finally rest this debate and move on with our nation building, knowing that our struggle had been righteous despite the tact of Gandhi and Nehru in order to convince our forefathers to the contrary. Those who asked us for proofs and ridiculed us, themselves have democratically ratified the robustness and righteousness of our historic narrative.

Let it be a source of humility and confidence for the Pakistani, as those who conspired to mislead our march in the past, today find themselves marching willingly and proudly along a parallel route, the same route our ancestors had created. Today we can safely write this for the historians that the future of sub continent was shaped by none other than our ancestors.

"The truth can only be delayed"

Aeronaut.

You are so very wrong mister, don't forget it was us Muslims who got independence not only for the Muslims of pre-partition India in the shape of Pakistan but also got you Hindus, independence from the Brits. You should be thankful to us.

This rant by Mr. Aeronaut shows that Pakistanis are always looking to find solace in their existence.

 

[SrNair]

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Today after 8 decades of self inflicted denial the Hindu majority of India have finally ratified the two nation theory for themselves, by themselves on the democratic ballot box without compulsion or coercion. A resounding victory for the Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi indeed is a new chapter in South Asian history. For his Hindu nation he represents a strong leader, for Muslims of India he remains the butcher of Gujarat with blood on his hands.

With his fundamental support coming from the right wing Hindu camp of the BJP being sufficient for such a victory, the BJP did not care about the Muslim vote for the first time ever. They were simply sidelined as no effective election campaign was mounted to attract the Muslim vote. This electoral segregation will have a deep imprint and strategic implications on Indian social makeup of the future. Since the Muslim vote is not included, their participation in an overwhelmingly BJP govt will cease to exist.

For Pakistan it marks the end of an ideological battle spanning 8 decades. This is a victory we must celebrate, as our historic pretext has dawned into the day of correctness and approval. Visionaries who coined the two nation theory saw this day coming 8 decades ago. Its because of their genius, connection to our past, hard work and sacrifices that we Pakistanis today see the dawn of a day which proved us 'historically right' from this side of the border. It also therefore proves that the struggle of our ancestors for independence was both historically correct and strategically right, henceforth the long treacherous journey, that has tested the Pakistani time and again, has been worth it.

What tomorrow holds for India's Muslim is unknown, though for us we can finally rest this debate and move on with our nation building, knowing that our struggle had been righteous despite the tact of Gandhi and Nehru in order to convince our forefathers to the contrary. Those who asked us for proofs and ridiculed us, themselves have democratically ratified the robustness and righteousness of our historic narrative.

Let it be a source of humility and confidence for the Pakistani, as those who conspired to mislead our march in the past, today find themselves marching willingly and proudly along a parallel route, the same route our ancestors had created. Today we can safely write this for the historians that the future of sub continent was shaped by none other than our ancestors.

"The truth can only be delayed"

Aeronaut.

But Muslims in India ,majority is thinking directly opposite to your concern.Some of my Muslims friends and.Gujarati Muslims entirely welcomed Modi.BJP won in some muslim majority in UP .So concerns from or western neighbour is baseless

 

[rockstarIN]

Why Pakistanis so much worry about the two nation ratification? identity crisis?

So far modi is concerned, people voted for development, prosperity which was evident in Gujrat and wants the same in whole India.

For e.g seats won in goa, where christians are majority, even the state was also ruled by BJP.

This is the election where people did not think in cast, religious lines but vote for development.

People who can't accept it and think only religious line can cry more.

 

[M. Sarmad]

That is a ridiculous notion, Mr Jinnah might be confusing himself with the Hindu caste system..because they are the ones who do not intermarry or interdine. But I did not see him championing the cause of Dalits, demanding a separate nation from upper casts

Says an ignorant Indian troll , about the greatest and most successful statesman of his time !!

Infact it was extremely hypocritical of Mr Jinnah when he himself married Ms Ratanbai Petit a non muslim Parsis.

Jinnah approached Sir Dinshaw(Father of Rattanbai) with a seemingly abstract question about his views on inter-communal marriages. Sir Dinshaw emphatically expressed his opinion that it would be an ideal solution to inter-communal antagonism. Jinnah could not have hoped for a more favourable response, and immediately asked his friend for his daughter's hand in marriage.

M. C. Chagla, who was assisting Jinnah at his chambers in those days, recalled later, "Sir Dinshaw was taken aback. He had not realized that his remarks might have serious personal repercussions. He was most indignant, and refused to countenance any such idea which appeared to him absurd and fantastic."

Jinnah pleaded his case, but to no avail. Not only was this the end of the friendship between the two men, but Sir Dinshaw forbade Ruttie to meet Jinnah as long as she lived under his roof. As she was still a minor, the law was on his side, so Ruttie and Jinnah decided to wait out the two years until she attained the age of maturity.

She converted to Islam before marrying Jinnah .... This only proves that what Jinnah said in his 1940 presidential address was absolutely right , but some retards find it hypocritical !!

That is a even stupider notion, as per him, Hindus and Muslims were a separate nation , but they could live together as long the Muslims got the power in Muslim majority areas ie autonomy.
Why, Mr Jinnah would Hindus and Muslim start intermarrying or dining together if Muslims were in power?? Do tell how they would evolve a 'common nationality' in such a case?

No , Jinnah knew that Hindus and Muslims would never evolve a common nationality under any case . A thousand years Muslim rule could not make Hindus and Muslims evolve a common nationality , there was no point trying it once again .... It was only for the protection of rights of Muslim minority from the hostile Hindu majority ....

No amount glossing can cover the fact, that Mr Jinnah's entire campaign for Pakistan was no more altruistic or selfless than a simple ploy for power, and millions died because of it, he was ready to give up demand for Pakistan as long as he got to be the first prime minister of free India, what was that all about?

He was offered the premiership of India , in turn he had to give up his demand for Pakistan , But Jinnah refused ..... . So what you are saying is absolutely wrong !!

 

[chhota bheem]

An articulate piece of work, beautiful article Aeronaut.




You are so very wrong mister, don't forget it was us Muslims who got independence not only for the Muslims of pre-partition India in the shape of Pakistan but also got you Hindus, independence from the Brits. You should be thankful to us.

lol 200%

 

[ares]

Says an ignorant Indian troll , about the greatest and most successful statesman of his time !!

Hmm down personal attacks now, is that all you could come up with?..Pathetic!!

Jinnah approached Sir Dinshaw(Father of Rattanbai) with a seemingly abstract question about his views on inter-communal marriages. Sir Dinshaw emphatically expressed his opinion that it would be an ideal solution to inter-communal antagonism. Jinnah could not have hoped for a more favourable response, and immediately asked his friend for his daughter's hand in marriage.

M. C. Chagla, who was assisting Jinnah at his chambers in those days, recalled later, "Sir Dinshaw was taken aback. He had not realized that his remarks might have serious personal repercussions. He was most indignant, and refused to countenance any such idea which appeared to him absurd and fantastic."

Jinnah pleaded his case, but to no avail. Not only was this the end of the friendship between the two men, but Sir Dinshaw forbade Ruttie to meet Jinnah as long as she lived under his roof. As she was still a minor, the law was on his side, so Ruttie and Jinnah decided to wait out the two years until she attained the age of maturity.

She converted to Islam before marrying Jinnah .... This only proves that what Jinnah said in his 1940 presidential address was absolutely right , but some retards find it hypocritical !!

While Copy-pasting from wikipedia did the fact Mr Jinnah was 24 yrs older than Ruttie(who was only 16 yrs old at that time) completely escape you??
Which father would be pleased to marry his daughter, who is old enough to be her father?

She converted to Islam before getting married, because apparently it is the Islamic law..It is archaic and redundant but then that is true for most religions.

Today day and age inter communal marriages take place in court without all this conversion bull .

No , Jinnah knew that Hindus and Muslims would never evolve a common nationality under any case . A thousand years Muslim rule could not make Hindus and Muslims evolve a common nationality , there was no point trying it once again .... It was only for the protection of rights of Muslim minority from the hostile Hindu majority ....

Proved him wrong, didn't we ..India has almost as many Muslims as Pakistan, they have all the rights that Pakistani muslims have and much more than what Pakistani minorities get.
Muslims in a Hindu majority nation have flourished, has increased ten fold since the partition.

He was offered the premiership of India , in turn he had to give up his demand for Pakistan , But Jinnah refused ..... . So what you are saying is absolutely wrong !!

Wrong??!! Mr M.K Gandhi had proposed Mr Jinnah to be the first prime minister, to avoid partition.But it was rejected by Indian National Congress(Nehru)..end of the day it was just power play.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Hmm down personal attacks now, is that all you could come up with?..Pathetic!!





While Copy-pasting from wikipedia did the fact Mr Jinnah was 24 yrs older than Ruttie(who was only 16 yrs old at that time) completely escape you??
Which father would be pleased to marry his daughter, who is old enough to be her father?

She converted to Islam before getting married, because apparently it is the Islamic law..It is archaic and redundant but then that is true for most religions.

Today day and age inter communal marriages take place in court without all this conversion bull .




Proved him wrong, didn't we ..India has almost as many Muslims as Pakistan, they have all the rights that Pakistani muslims have and much more than what Pakistani minorities get.
Muslims in a Hindu majority nation have flourished, has increased ten fold since the partition.





Wrong??!! Mr M.K Gandhi had proposed Mr Jinnah to be the first prime minister, to avoid partition.But it was rejected by Indian National Congress(Nehru)..end of the day it was just power play.

Now don`t try to jump around kid . As already proven , You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about Jinnah ,TNT & partition .

 

[ares]

Now don`t try to jump around kid . As already proven , You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about Jinnah ,TNT & partition .

Thus concludes your argument,why am I not surprised?

Although I don't think you have proven anything, if and when you able to...I ll most graciously accept my 'ignorance'..perhaps try harder next time.

 

[acid rain]

This is a useless attempt at linking up something that indians voters collectively did with the confused existence of pakistan.

most pakistanis still bicker about what they are and what they are meant to be...saw a thread a few days back about pakistanis lamenting about the partition and rueing that they would have been existentially better under unified india - thats debatable of course, but then what is funny to witness is that pakistanis think of themselves as tekedhars of the whole south asia muslims.

100,000 pakistanis killed in last few years, the US ran rough shod all over pakistan in the obl, salala, davis, drone matters, pakistan has attained global safe house status for all the top terrorists and gangsters of the world - all this and NOT A SINGLE indian muslim out of the 150 million even raised an eyebrow or passed condolences or commented or condemned anything?. Where is the so called muslim brotherhood here?. It is amply clear that Indian Muslims do not care of what happens to Pakistan or Pakistani's. They get deeply hurt when they are linked with Pakistan...though there are a few left behind terrorists and jamaatis who would want to integrate even now with pakistan, but they are very few in number.

Kind of a funny dichotomy that no one even cares about you while you try to act as if you are the tekedhars of the collective muslims.

The Indian muslims have ripped the two nation theory to shreds.

 

[Vinod2070]

The saddest thing is that even after 8 decades Pakistanis are still looking to ratify their own two nation theory

So that means they don't even trust or respect their founders. This lack of confidence in nation's foundation and institutions is why Pakistanis are identityless people all over the world.

It is an ever present need even compulsion. Never ending because in their hearts they know...

Every issue big or small that happens anywhere and you can be sure someone will use it to justify the TNT.

This only works till the next second when again the same compulsive need rears it's head.

I once saw Hamid Gul (former ISI) using the Obama reaching out to Muslim countries as a validation of TNT!

 

[Roybot]

If Muslims of India, rather I should say Sunni Muslims of India (since 90% of the Shias voted for the BJP), are feeling left out today, its they themselves who are to be blamed for it.

A mere 15% of the population can't hold the rest 85% of the nation hostage, and expect us to vote in corrupt, incompetent parties, just because the Sunni Muslims perceive these parties to be "secular". This pseudo secularism of parties like Congress, the left, SP and BSP doesn't feed your family, it doesn't give you jobs, it doesn't provide security to your loved ones, it doesn't improve the situation of the country, so what should the 85% do? Keep voting for the corrupt parties just to make sure that the Sunnis feel secure? I don't think so.

So come out of your cocoon, Indian Sunni Muslims, give BJP a chance, and stake your claim in the party and its representation. I don't even want to hear the bs that its the hawkish Modi who the Sunnis have issue with and not the BJP, because even a dove like MR Vajpayee got just 6% of Muslim votes (majority of it again coming from the Shias of the Awadh region).

As Shekhar Gupta said on NDTV yesterday, Muslims voting a bloc is seen as consolidation of votes, but Hindus voting as a bloc is called polarization. If this is the kind of secularism, that the Indian Sunnis expects us to follow then to hell with it. Change your ways, stop acting like a vote bank, stop voting as a bloc and political parties will stop treating you as one.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

My friend if it's indeed a rosy scene as you assert than why you are afraid that a comment of a Pakistani will draw wedge?

Who said I am afraid ?

I am just disgusted that neighbours are 'trying' to do that. I used the word 'try'. Read again.

And no, things are not rosy, but they are not nearly as bad as Pakistanis would like to assume or believe. As I stated in my post, there are differences and commonalities between Indian Muslims and Hindus. However, the commonalities far outweigh the differences. It just depends on the individual what he wants to focus more on and the vast majority of Indians by staying together have chosen to focus on the commonalities and respect the differences. Don't forget Indian muslims are not running away from the country in hordes, the way your minorities are running away. If India wasn't secular at it's core (despite occasional disturbances), situation in India would be the same.

 

[Iggy]

I do not understand.. I never will encounter these much people who will try to find justification for their nation's existence.. Feels like they have a deep fear that the creating of their nation is not justified. I mean you created a nation and you move along with it.. Its been more than 60 years and you still searching for justification of TNT is unfortunate and sad.. We choose a leader which we felt can lead us.. We brought down an incapable government which looted us like nothing.. Isnt it democracy is all about??

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Cross post

1 You say he is a known terrorist. Which acts of terrorism has he been accused of? Has he been declared terrorist by any govt? Indian? Pakistani? US? United Nations? His bitterest rivals congress was in power in India for 10 years. If they could not declare him terrorist who are you?

2 You say he has been involved in mass murder of thousands of Muslims and Christians? Who has indicted him? Infact he has been given a clean chit by the Supreme Court of India.

3 You probably believe that he has no support among the Muslim. Do you know that he won 3 of 6 seats in Jammu Kashmir and 71 of 80 seats in UP beating Mullayam Singh Yadav , considered as one of the most pro Muslim politician in India. Mulayam has been reduced to just 5 seats in UP where Muslim population is more than 40% in many seats. In last election BJP had only 10 seats across UP.

UP along with Bihar and Assam is one of the highest Muslim population states after J&K. In Bihar he has won 31 out of 40 seats beating beating Lallu Prasad Yadav - another politician considered the darling of Muslims , who won just 6 seats and NItish Kumar who broke up with Modi led NDA when he was declared PM candidate just to protect his Muslim vote bank. Nitish has won just 2 seats in Bihar. In Assam Modi has won 7 of the 14 seats. BJP has no significant presence in Assam and other North Eastern states before this. In Christian Majority Goa he has won both the seats.
Do you think that Modi would have won these seats if he had no support among the Muslims? Do you know during the campaign all so called "secular" parties, which in India means those who support extra rights for Muslims, kept asking Muslims not to vote for Modi because of this "fear factor". Still the Muslims have voted for Modi. Do you think they would have voted for him if they believe he is a mass murderer of Muslims and Christians.

4 You say he has been supported by Indians in Mass. Yes that is correct. This the best ever performance by a single non congress party since independence. This is also the best ever performance by any party since 1984. So since last 30 years no other political party has got such support in the elections. BJP has a simple majority of its own and does not need any allies to form the govt. He has won his own seat in Vadodara by a victory margin of over 5,70,000 votes. This is an all time high record in general elections in India.

5 now I will tell you why people of India - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc have voted for him. They voted for his developmental agenda, his promise of better growth, more jobs, his version of secularism which means India First and Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas (With Everybody , Development for Everybody) . They voted for him because they have seen how he developed his state of Gujrat for the last 12 years. There has been a 10% growth rate and no riots in Gujarat after the post Godhra Riots.

I have answered all your queries with facts and figures. I want you to keep an open mind regarding Modi. If you can dispute any of these facts feel free to do so. We elected Modi because we want development and not because we hate Muslims or Pakistan.

Facts , figures, numbers, data, deep analysis these things mean little to Pakistanis, at least on this forum. Already a lot has been provided by other members too , but when they want to be blind about realities , they will remain blind. You can't help people who are willfully blind.