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India upset with hard-line Israeli lobby over Iran

I don't think Indian leaders and bureaucracy are that pragmatic as pictured in the media. Their heart lies somewhere, but they are doing a good job in leaving no hints about where. US is just trying to provoke India to put out its cards. Nice game so far.
 
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Zia's got nothing to do with it, although India will, of course, deny complicity.

Threats to Pakistan

According to ‘The Asian Age’, London, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’, that Israeli Air Force was to launch air attack on Kahuta in mid 1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat (India). The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hairs breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.

As for Pak-Israeli cooperation, that's irrelevant. There are shared interests at times (terrorism, weapons trafficking) where countries cooperate. That's neither here nor there.



That's what the Israeli propaganda machine claims, of course. Gurion's quote doesn't go well with the victim persona Israel has built up for itself.

And do you know what the book uses as a source? Pakistani officials!

The fact remains that even if there was some discussion about Pakistani nukes, there was never any plans to attack Kahuta. And Israeli diplomats have been telling PA/ISI through back channels just that for the past 20 years.

And the Ben Gurion quote never existed before 2001. The paper it is claimed to be published in is not even published at that date. But if you want to keep yourself happy that Israel is the all powerful entity then you are free to do so. For other people, I am putting forward a factual position so that people can get out of the alternative universe and live in the real world.

And while Pakistan would not be establishing Israel relations anytime soon, Wikileaks have shown that ISI have been sharing terrorism intelligence with the MOSSAD. And even Israeli officials have already hinted that they would jump at the opportunity to establish relations with Pakistan because THEY think that there are no antagonistic interests between the two.

Daily Times - Israel eying Pakistan as ally in Muslim world
* Israeli officials say Muslim world only focusing on Palestine, not on killings in Indian-held Kashmir

* Pakistan not an enemy, too distant from Israel

By Iftikhar Gilani

TEL AVIV: A group of Indian journalists visiting Israel encountered a ‘surprising situation’ in Israel, when a top Israeli foreign office official compared human suffering in Darfour with the plight of people in the Indian-held Kashmir.

Support for Kashmir and Pakistan’s efforts to contain terrorism from unexpected quarters in Tel Aviv, indicated a sublime possibility of Israel and Pakistan slowly warming up to each other.

Facing the heat from Turkey and Iran, coupled with the death of Arab nationalism and rising extremism in the region, Israeli strategists seem looking for an alternate ally in the Muslim world.

At the Israeli Foreign Office building in the outskirts of west Jerusalem, a senior official was in a rage against the UN and the Muslim world.

“The UN is biased against Israel because two-thirds of the member countries are Arab and/or Muslim countries. Too much attention is given to Israel and too little time spent on debating and bringing out investigative reports on the real sufferings in Darfour and Kashmir,” he said. He was even more enraged at the Muslim world for ignoring the daily deaths in Kashmir and only on focusing at the “few incidents” in Palestine.

Earlier, Col Miri Eisin, the former spokesman of Israeli prime minister, told the Indian journalists that Pakistan was not an enemy state (for Israel). “We are distant from it. It is not a threat for us,” she said.

One of Israel’s top strategists, Prof Eyal Zisser, the director of the Moshe Dayan Centre, reminded the Indian delegation that unlike IHK, his country had accepted Palestine as an international problem. He also “lamented” that more people were getting killed in IHK and the world did not notice the killings.

Supporting Pakistan’s efforts to contain terrorism, he called for providing the full support to the Pakistan government. “In Pakistan, it is better to have a government in control of affairs. If the Pakistani government collapses, what is the alternative? Better have a government, than the Taliban taking over as your neighbour,” he told the Indian delegation.

Far from Tel Aviv near the northern most tip of Israel, bordering Lebanon around Zarit village, spokesman of Israeli’s northern command Captain Mitch Pilcer also refused to draw parallels between Israel and India. He praised Islamabad for having an established military unlike the neighbours of Israel. “Pakistan is a different case. It has an established military. There is a government whom you can talk to. There is a circle of people,” he said.

International director of American Jewish Council, Rabbi David Rosen, argued that an early resolution of Palestinian problem would help Pakistan and stabilise it to fight terrorists.

Chaim Choshen, the director of South and South East Asia Division in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, however, said that official relations with Pakistan had not moved beyond the handshake between former president Pervez Musharraf and former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon in September 2005 in New York. “He is no longer in power. We don’t have further communication,” said the foreign ministry official.

Israeli officials believe since they have no real direct conflict with Pakistan, there is no reason not to have diplomatic relations. They believe that Islamabad could be amongst countries who are “on the fringe” awaiting to establish relations with Tel Aviv.
 
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India's diplomatic corps have their work cut out for them. Israel is a like a spoiled brat -- it is a nightmare for all of its 'friends' to keep up with its perpetual tantrums and to keep it happy.
It's not the Israelis per se. It's the strong Israeli lobby in the US of A that's dictating terms. Much of America's Mid East policies are fashioned by this lobby and many of them are American Congressmen.
 
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"Israeli officials believe since they have no real direct conflict with Pakistan, there is no reason not to have diplomatic relations. They believe that Islamabad could be amongst countries who are “on the fringe” awaiting to establish relations with Tel Aviv."

For what reason, and whom are you trying to fool this time.
Bringing Kashmir into focus and forgetting about the Palestinian question is out of question.
My Impression is that this article is false propaganda to take off some heat.
 
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Off topic but, I read somewhere that Iran helped Pakistan just before 1971 war by buying F86s from Canada and transfer to Pakistan. Is that true?
 
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Off topic but, I read somewhere that Iran helped Pakistan just before 1971 war by buying F86s from Canada and transfer to Pakistan. Is that true?

Yes not only fighter jets but a lot of other equipment was provided via Iran under US guidance. Basically after the 1965 war US was forced by its own laws to stop exporting military aid to Pakistan. So it used the Iran route to bypass its laws and help Pakistan. After the war an additional 90 jets were transferred to Pakistan like this.

But this was all in the context of the Cold war where India, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria e.t.c. were forming one bloc while Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and even Israel were the other bloc under US.

While Iran didn't want Pakistan to be hostile to India, it didn't want West Pakistan to disintegrate further because that could open up the Balochistan movements which the Soviet bloc would take advantage of.
 
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