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These four are the saviors of the free world. I wish Pakistan would join them instead of selling ourselves to China. All those pro-China voices in Pakistan will soon regret their stupidity. Mark my words, it's just a matter of time.
How many nations have USA & friends invaded and destroyed in the last 150 years? Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam.. a bunch more. Japanese used bio weapons on unarmed civilians. Americans used nukes, fire bombings, and chemical weapons.... on unarmed civilians. Great saviors. Has china done any thing like this?
 
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I disagree with your premises. The Ottoman sultanate was dismantled by the Turks themselves. Zionists had no political influence in the early 20th century, certainly could not have been the cause for the dethroning of sultan Abdul Hamid.
Nevertheless, what does sultan Abdul Hamid have to do with Islam? He was not a religious authority, but a symbolic figurehead.
I reject this narrative that the dismantling of the Ottoman empire was somehow bad for Islam and Muslims. The Ottomans were just another dynasty and imperial power. We have had many in our history. Today we have the Saudi dynasty which has custody over our most sacred shrines. Yesterday it was the Ottomans, today it's the Saudis, tomorrow it may be someone else.

I don't regard the State of Israel as the "enemy of Islam". If anything, they are a positive presence in the Middle East, because they are a fully functioning democracy which puts the surrounding Arab dictatorships to shame.

He was not a figurehead, he was the last sultan who had power. When Theodore Herzl came to him and said that he pay off all the debts of the Ottoman Empire for a Jewish land in Palestine he said that Palestine does not belong to me, it belongs to the whole Ummah and therefore I cannot give it up. After this incident, the Zionists realized that they couldn't get their goal without dethroning him so that is what they did which led to the young Turks and Mustafa Kemal taking power. Sultan Abdulhamid was a religious authority, he was the Caliph of the Earth and a great student of Islam. He helped the Muslims in Pakistan a lot which made them make the khilafat movement which created Pakistan. I think he should be considered one of the founders of Pakistan. A lot of the Ottoman Sultans were bad, but they were much better than the Saudis. Zionism is older than you think and we have evidence of Zionists existing as early as the 1700's, search Albert Pike's letter.


source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Hamid_II
 
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How many nations have USA & friends invaded and destroyed in the last 150 years? Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam.. a bunch more. Japanese used bio weapons on unarmed civilians. Americans used nukes, fire bombings, and chemical weapons.... on unarmed civilians. Great saviors. Has china done any thing like this?

America was justified in her interventions in all the countries you mentioned. They liberated Iraq from the Baathists, they intervened in Syria to remove ISIS, they intervened in Vietnam to prevent a Communist takeover of the South, they intervened in Afghanistan to eradicate AQ after 9/11, they intervened in Libya to put an end to Gaddafi's horrific war crimes against his own people.

As for China, we all know how they are committing war crimes and human rights atrocities against the Uighurs, Tibetans, and their own people in Hong Kong. We all know about China's aggressions in Bhutan, Nepal and against India. We all know how China was the origin of Coronavirus that has spread around the globe and caused so much chaos, we all know how China is economically exploiting the Third World, and we all know how China is the main backer of the most evil regimes like North Korea.

I think it's safe to say China is the supreme villain and destructive force on this planet
 
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So you'd rather be a Chinese puppet? Israel has a billion times more integrity than China
I prefer Jews over bat eating, disease spreading Asians any day

So basically you're ok with being a puppet as long as it's someone you agree with. Good thing you're not making any decisions for the country.
 
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He was not a figurehead, he was the last sultan who had power. When Theodore Herzl came to him and said that he pay off all the debts of the Ottoman Empire for a Jewish land in Palestine he said that Palestine does not belong to me, it belongs to the whole Ummah and therefore I cannot give it up.

Herzl presented a very reasonable proposal to the Ottomans, which regrettably they didn't accept. Herzl wasn't even asking for a Jewish state to encompass the entirety of Palestine thereby displacing its Muslim residents. On the contrary, had the Ottomans accepted this today Jerusalem would still be entirely in Muslim hands. Again, had the Arabs made peace with Israel and accepted the UN partition plan, Jerusalem would still be in the hands of the Muslims. But by attacking Israel in 1948 and then for decades after refusing to accept its existence and being hostile to it, the Zionists ended up taking Jerusalem away from us by force in 1967.

We should learn our lesson that when we are greedy and won't even accept a Jewish state in part of Palestine then we will end up losing the entirety of Palestine. Zionism is a very reasonable ideology, it's merely the idea that Jews should have a state in their historic homeland of Palestine, especially considering their horrific persecution and suffering in Christian Europe which never accepted them as equal citizens. The original UN partition plan meant two states in the region of Palestine, with the Arab state retaining Jerusalem. By rejecting it, the Arabs sealed their fate and lost Jerusalem.
Even then the Israelis are kind enough to allow the Muslims to retain custody and administration of the Temple Mount, otherwise if they wanted they could take full control of it themselves.


After this incident, the Zionists realized that they couldn't get their goal without dethroning him so that is what they did which led to the young Turks and Mustafa Kemal taking power. Sultan Abdulhamid was a religious authority, he was the Caliph of the Earth and a great student of Islam. He helped the Muslims in Pakistan a lot which made them make the khilafat movement which created Pakistan. I think he should be considered one of the founders of Pakistan. A lot of the Ottoman Sultans were bad, but they were much better than the Saudis. Zionism is older than you think and we have evidence of Zionists existing as early as the 1700's, search Albert Pike's letter.

Why are you conflating Zionists with the Young Turks and Mustafa Kemal?

Abdul Hamid was not a religious authority, nor was he ever the "Caliph of the Earth". A Caliphate is a political entity which only possesses jurisdiction over the Muslims that are under its direct rule. The Ottoman Caliphate never ruled the lands east of Iraq, namely, Iran, India, Afghanistan and Central Asia. So how can you say the Muslims of the regions east of Iraq were ever subject to the supposed Caliphate in Constantinople?

Furthermore, even if I concede that Abdul Hamid was a Caliph (he wasn't, at most he was just a king or sultan), he certainly wasn't a Rightly-Guided Caliph. Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said that Caliphate will only last for thirty years after him, then there will be kingship. Therefore, our last Rightly-Guided Caliph was basically Amir al-Mu'minin Ali bin Abi Talib كرم الله وجهه. The Prophet also said Caliphate will remain among Quraish, whereas the Ottomans were Turks, not even Arabs let alone being from the clan of Quraish.

Next you claim the Khilafat Movement in 1920s India was the origin of the creation of Pakistan. How totally wrong you are. The Khilafat Movement was spearheaded by Indian nationalists and pan-Islamists. Hindu Gandhi and Congress were actually supporters of the Khilafat Movement. On the other hand, the group which spearheaded the movement for Pakistan, namely Qaid-e-Azam and the Muslim League were totally opposed to the Khilafat Movement.

The Khilafat Movement was basically an anti-British movement, whereas it was the British who are the ultimate creators of Pakistan.
 
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America was justified in her interventions in all the countries you mentioned. They liberated Iraq from the Baathists, they intervened in Syria to remove ISIS, they intervened in Vietnam to prevent a Communist takeover of the South, they intervened in Afghanistan to eradicate AQ after 9/11, they intervened in Libya to put an end to Gaddafi's horrific war crimes against his own people.

As for China, we all know how they are committing war crimes and human rights atrocities against the Uighurs, Tibetans, and their own people in Hong Kong. We all know about China's aggressions in Bhutan, Nepal and against India. We all know how China was the origin of Coronavirus that has spread around the globe and caused so much chaos, we all know how China is economically exploiting the Third World, and we all know how China is the main backer of the most evil regimes like North Korea.

I think it's safe to say China is the supreme villain and destructive force on this planet
Americans murdered millions of Africans in their slave trade. Treated African Americans worse then anything done in Hong Kong, Xin Jiang, or in Tibet. American has backed its share of evil regimes, terrorists, rebellions, and economic exploiters. No comparison. Based on actions (not media)...USA has done far worse things.

Pakistan will do fine. Based on cold war 1. Nations not directly in the USA or USSR camps faired far worse. With nukes and Beijing's cover, we will be fine. Its small nations not in the any camp that will cry in the future.
 
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Herzl presented a very reasonable proposal to the Ottomans, which regrettably they didn't accept. Herzl wasn't even asking for a Jewish state to encompass the entirety of Palestine thereby displacing its Muslim residents. On the contrary, had the Ottomans accepted this today Jerusalem would still be entirely in Muslim hands. Again, had the Arabs made peace with Israel and accepted the UN partition plan, Jerusalem would still be in the hands of the Muslims. But by attacking Israel in 1948 and then for decades after refusing to accept its existence and being hostile to it, the Zionists ended up taking Jerusalem away from us by force in 1967.

We should learn our lesson that when we are greedy and won't even accept a Jewish state in part of Palestine then we will end up losing the entirety of Palestine. Zionism is a very reasonable ideology, it's merely the idea that Jews should have a state in their historic homeland of Palestine, especially considering their horrific persecution and suffering in Christian Europe which never accepted them as equal citizens. The original UN partition plan meant two states in the region of Palestine, with the Arab state retaining Jerusalem. By rejecting it, the Arabs sealed their fate and lost Jerusalem.
Even then the Israelis are kind enough to allow the Muslims to retain custody and administration of the Temple Mount, otherwise if they wanted they could take full control of it themselves.



Why are you conflating Zionists with the Young Turks and Mustafa Kemal?

Abdul Hamid was not a religious authority, nor was he ever the "Caliph of the Earth". A Caliphate is a political entity which only possesses jurisdiction over the Muslims that are under its direct rule. The Ottoman Caliphate never ruled the lands east of Iraq, namely, Iran, India, Afghanistan and Central Asia. So how can you say the Muslims of the regions east of Iraq were ever subject to the supposed Caliphate in Constantinople?

Furthermore, even if I concede that Abdul Hamid was a Caliph (he wasn't, at most he was just a king or sultan), he certainly wasn't a Rightly-Guided Caliph. Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said that Caliphate will only last for thirty years after him, then there will be kingship. Therefore, our last Rightly-Guided Caliph was basically Amir al-Mu'minin Ali bin Abi Talib كرم الله وجهه. The Prophet also said Caliphate will remain among Quraish, whereas the Ottomans were Turks, not even Arabs let alone being from the clan of Quraish.

Next you claim the Khilafat Movement in 1920s India was the origin of the creation of Pakistan. How totally wrong you are. The Khilafat Movement was spearheaded by Indian nationalists and pan-Islamists. Hindu Gandhi and Congress were actually supporters of the Khilafat Movement. On the other hand, the group which spearheaded the movement for Pakistan, namely Qaid-e-Azam and the Muslim League were totally opposed to the Khilafat Movement.

The Khilafat Movement was basically an anti-British movement, whereas it was the British who are the ultimate creators of Pakistan.

The jews lived in palestine 3000 years ago so it should belong to them? Then Nargano-Karabakh belongs to Pakistan because the aryans lived their before. And America belongs to the Native Americans because they lived here before. Gaul belongs to the celts. What do we do about the Mexicans then? Cut them in two and send one half to spain? Normandy belongs to the Danes. Germania belongs to the Anglo Saxons. Anatolia belongs to the Greeks. Iberia belongs to the Moroccans. The Franks should go back to Rus. What kind of Logic is that?
 
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