India train crash: Death Toll Raised To 309 After Odisha incident

[CIA Mole]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665184297538469891

this hits hard for me

i still remember standing in the toilet for like 20 hours

wasn't long before i decided "fuk this place"

 

[itsanufy]

the picture is from Bangladesh.

No India. BD doesn't have trains running on electricity.

 

[itsanufy]

When you put more effort in selling PR of Kavach to public instead of installing them...
Om Shanti

It's still a prototype I will say, based on high radio frequencies. It will be a game changer when it will be able to work on LTE.
Still testing is carried out regularly. Last high profile one was on 2002 when rail minister was on board during testing. It needs more time to be tested and matured enogh.

the picture is from Bangladesh.

happened due to human error and plain unluck.

A goods train came on the train for express passenger train, the passenger train hit the goods train from behind and deraied.

The the same derailed train fell off to another track and was hit by another train that came minutes later.

So most of deaths was caused in over crowed cheapest general bogey used by migrant labours going from engal to Chennai increasing the death toll substantially.


Any body travelling in Indian trains would say Indian railway infrastructure has improved vastly last 10 year not withstanding what happened yesterday due to human error and plain unluck that another train came minutes after one train was derailed and bogies spilling over to other track.

Infrastructure improvement you mean more KFC in the stations?
There are records number of vacancies all round railways ranging from linesman, signaling staff and even loco pilots.

 

[itsanufy]

The bogies that were majorly impacted were overcrowded general class bogies used by migrant labour travelling from West Bengal to industry hub Chennai.

Don't politicize the death. Railways is responsible to the core.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

It's still a prototype I will say, based on high radio frequencies. It will be a game changer when it will be able to work on LTE.
Still testing is carried out regularly. Last high profile one was on 2002 when rail minister was on board during testing. It needs more time to be tested and matured enogh.

My bad I posted it before knowing much, with or without kavach the accident was inevitable. As it would be ineffective against derailment.

 

[itsanufy]

Kavach goes beyond Manual Signalling, Block Signalling and Automatic Signalling, and their combination with Electronic Interlocking. Kavach determines precisely where each locomotive is, based on RFID cards embedded in the rolling stock, and read by RFID readers in the track or along the track. This is supposed to monitor each individual train and its location, and to take action remotely to slow down, or even halt, trains in dangerous proximity.

Kavach had not been installed on this vital trunk line between Calcutta/Howrah and Madras, a trunk route that millions have used; I was myself a regular user during my Madras years, for myself and wife and child, and it was the best way of travel between the two locations.

What happened was shocking.

There were three trains involved, two of them fast express trains, the Coromandel, going north south, and the Yeshvantpur-Shalimar, going south to north. Normally, the goods train should have been parked on the loop line, and the two fast trains sent straight through, on their respective through lines of track.

Instead, the Coromandel was put on the through line, correctly, AND THEN, AT THE LAST MOMENT, SHIFTED TO THE LOOP LINE. There, it hit the goods train, derailed, and fell into the path of the onrushing Yesh-Shal express.

Besides the initial heavy casualties when the Coromandel hit the stationary goods train, there were further heavy casualties when the Yesh-Shal ran into the derailed wreckage.

Those defending the Railways are saying that this was purely human error; the Coromandel should never have been shunted onto the loop line.

Those unhappy with the Railways are saying that this was precisely what was to be expected if funds and management attention were to be diverted to fast trophy trains like Vande Bharat, rather than to implementing Kavach on all lines. If Kavach had been in place, the moment the Coromandel entered the loop line, the presence of the goods train in its path would have been sensed, and the Coromandel first slowed, then, if needed, halted. The accident would not have happened.

@salarsikander

I would like to thank you for the kind words and genuine sorrow you have expressed, and to bow to your display of humanity. You have been very gracious about the achievements of the Indian Railways, and your good wishes for them will no doubt stand them in good stead for the future.

Thank you very much.

Kavach is still a prototype , Still regular tests are carried out.

I doubt, if this incident can be averted if the Howrah-Chennai line kavach. As of now its effective in head to head collision which is not the case here.

 

[Joe Shearer]

My condolences to the family of the deceased. May their souls rest in peace. Very sad news.

Kavach is still a prototype , Still regular tests are carried out.

I doubt if this incident can be averted if the Howrah-Chennai line kavach. As of now its effective in head to head collision but not the case here.

If you say so.

I am not an expert, and am picking up stuff from the papers and media.

 

[itsanufy]

If you say so.

I am not an expert, and am picking up stuff from the papers and media.

Indian govt is not spending on safety. Kavach was first implemented in 2012. There were many issues found. Its over a decade now. Still these loopholes are not sealed and proper features not introduced. There is not enough focus and budget in this area. Only in 2022 the focus was in place and grants came and balls started rolling.

Bigger point railways has too many vacancies . This includes linesman, signaling staff and loco pilot. railway just increasing operating margin by reducing people in right places.

Bande bharat are being introduced in every state and PM himself is inaugurating them. Never before i have seen PM doing such a pity stuff.
I cant find what so special about bande bhart. Its satabdi with a different name.
For example NJP Bande bharat has an average steed of 83 km /hr, whereas satabdi has an average speed of 77 km/hr saving 30 min. fare almost 30% higher with same amenities.
As the infrastructure is not in proper shape bande bharat can't run on it full potential.
Need of hour a better infra withstanding higher speed.
Finally if bande bharat can be of Modi then why this railway accident will not be with him.

To me our present Railway Minister is the best minister in the cabinet now. His effort has again took the kavach on focus in 2022 which was in deathbed for funding. Kavach needs a dedicated research team with heavy funding than an quarter high speedy train.

 

[Indos]

the picture is from Bangladesh.

happened due to human error and plain unluck.

A goods train came on the train for express passenger train, the passenger train hit the goods train from behind and deraied.

The the same derailed train fell off to another track and was hit by another train that came minutes later.

So most of deaths was caused in over crowed cheapest general bogey used by migrant labours going from engal to Chennai increasing the death toll substantially.


Any body travelling in Indian trains would say Indian railway infrastructure has improved vastly last 10 year not withstanding what happened yesterday due to human error and plain unluck that another train came minutes after one train was derailed and bogies spilling over to other track.

RIP

More likely due to broken of railway signaling system

My prediction posted Yesterday

 

[pikkuboss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665340275785334785

 

[nahtanbob]

Could mods please look into the last few pages at least to deal with the trolls like this "d000do00" guy making light of this tragedy?

Look at post #81 especially.

Thread bans, warning points, bans, something please. I'd use the report button but it has long stopped working.

@waz @SQ8

I think dodo buy is biased, callous and plain stupid. I do not think he has done anything to deserve a ban.

for the loss of live the people running Indian Railways ought to look into the mirror.
How hard is it for the Indian Railways to maintain a communications center.
The moment the first train derailed. The 3rd train should have been stopped within minutes.

 

[Suriya]

My prediction posted Yesterday

Electronic Signally system is foolproof. Govt believes there was manual changes/sabotage were made causing this accident, so a simultaneous crime probe by India's CBI was also ordered.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Electronic Signally system is foolproof. Govt believes there was manual changes/sabotage were made causing this accident, so a simultaneous crime probe by India's CBI was also ordered.

The search for the convenient Muslim victim.

 

[Suriya]

I think dodo buy is biased, callous and plain stupid. I do not think he has done anything to deserve a ban.

for the loss of live the people running Indian Railways ought to look into the mirror.
How hard is it for the Indian Railways to maintain a communications center.
The moment the first train derailed. The 3rd train should have been stopped within minutes.

Idiots shd keep their mouths shut, racist idiots shd be banned.

FYI, some 30 million Indians travel by Indian railway everyday on its 13000 locomotives.

All networks have electronic safeguards and some 30% of the line have computerized safegourds called 'Kavach' touted as the best of its class, kavach wasn't installed on that accident line but would be installed this year itself.

Now listen up, the accident happened because of manual changes were made to electronic signaling that led to derailment of the train which was travelling 130Km per hour and it hit a goods trains standing on nearby track, the third train was passing by at the exact same time when the derailment of first train took place and the rear coaches of the third train collided with derailed bogies of first train.

The search for the convenient Muslim victim.

Are u a victim of Love Jihad??

 

[Cheehg]

I think dodo buy is biased, callous and plain stupid. I do not think he has done anything to deserve a ban.

for the loss of live the people running Indian Railways ought to look into the mirror.
How hard is it for the Indian Railways to maintain a communications center.
The moment the first train derailed. The 3rd train should have been stopped within minutes.

My understanding is the third train was passing on the next line when the second train derailed. The last few cars were hit by the derailed train.