India to move fencing at Bangladesh zero line

[Arthur]

Brace yourselves for a new round of border bout. BD athourity already opposed any kind of construction work on the zero line. Diplomatic talk is underway. But if decision such like this one is made to appise petty political interest and carried out ignoring BD 's concern, conflict will be inevitable.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Rain Man Does this concern the areas where the border runs right alongside a riverbank etc?

Any idea how many km's of fencing this will concern.

Glad to see action being taken for these holes.

 

[dray]

@Rain Man Does this concern the areas where the border runs right alongside a riverbank etc?

Any idea how many km's of fencing this will concern.

Glad to see action being taken for these holes.

I don't know how many kms it would be, but the problem areas are the border areas where there is no space available for a no mans land, BD govt. was opposing it for quite some time now, and that's why these areas are open. Ironically most illegal trespassing happens in those areas. Actually BD govt wants India to share the burden of their population and poverty, and India being soft on it

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I don't know how many kms it would be, but the problem areas are the border areas where there is no space available for a no mans land, BD govt. was opposing it for quite some time now, and that's why these areas are open. Ironically most illegal trespassing happens in those areas. Actually BD govt wants India to share the burden of their population and poverty, and India being soft on it

Bharati beat the record when it comes to poverty and overpopulation.Otherwise why you can't do your fencing at 150 yards inside the border?We have said times and again,we don't object building fence,actually we are happy about that.But why you miser can't leave that 150 yards as per international law?

 

[Nilgiri]

I don't know how many kms it would be, but the problem areas are the border areas where there is no space available for a no mans land, BD govt. was opposing it for quite some time now, and that's why these areas are open. Ironically most illegal trespassing happens in those areas. Actually BD govt wants India to share the burden of their population and poverty, and India being soft on it

When you say no space, it is the terrain or the situation of say a town/village that would be cut off...rivers/swamps or what exactly?

 

[gslv mk3]

Bharati beat the record when it comes to poverty and overpopulation

Whose record? Definitely not Bangladesh's

 

[dray]

When you say no space, it is the terrain or the situation of say a town/village that would be cut off...rivers/swamps or what exactly?

India-BD border is a congested place in many places, it has gone right through the villages and tehsils, in some case someone's home is right in the middle of the border, I had some pictures of it. We can remove a few homes here and there, but can't move villages to create 150 yards free space, when there is no damn no man's land, how do you keep it. Bangladesh govt just use this constraint to stop fencing of the border. Even their side don't have this free space...

Bharati beat the record when it comes to poverty and overpopulation.Otherwise why you can't do your fencing at 150 yards inside the border?We have said times and again,we don't object building fence,actually we are happy about that.But why you miser can't leave that 150 yards as per international law?

I will only be logical and objective in BD section.

 

[Śakra]

We will do what we feel like to we don't need bangladesh's permission.

 

[Areesh]

Even India-Pakistan border has 550 km of fence built by India. So, Pakistan is also India's vassal State.

Yeah but the fencing is not at the zero line. The land after the fencing is also under Indian control. There after a a few meter or a kilometer or two there is no mans land after which Pakistan's territory starts.

Indian farmers at Punjab border cross fence to look after their fields.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yeah but the fencing is not at the zero line. The land after the fencing is also under Indian control. There after a a few meter or a kilometer or two there is no mans land after which Pakistan's territory starts.

Indian farmers at Punjab border cross fence to look after their fields.

AFAIK and can see on google maps, Pakistan has a fence and protection on its side of border too.

But Bangladesh does not put a fence on its side anywhere. That illustrates the difference. In areas where its difficult for India to put a fence without splitting a village in half or having no suitable stable and accessible ground....Bangladesh could have often easily stepped up and put a fence on its side (as I understand it from @Rain Man )....but they haven't. That is what is prompting this action.....Bangladesh immaturity and denial of the illegal immigration + smuggling + security problem.

Well India is not going to let this status quo continue in the holes now.....not with the mandate received in Assam elections to clamp down on such issues stemming from Bangladesh.

 

[Areesh]

AFAIK and can see on google maps, Pakistan has a fence and protection on its side of border too.

But Bangladesh does not put a fence on its side anywhere. That illustrates the difference. In areas where its difficult for India to put a fence without splitting a village in half or having no suitable stable and accessible ground....Bangladesh could have often easily stepped up and put a fence on its side (as I understand it from @Rain Man )....but they haven't. That is what is prompting this action.....Bangladesh immaturity and denial of the illegal immigration + smuggling + security problem.

Well India is not going to let this status quo continue in the holes now.....not with the mandate received in Assam elections to clamp down on such issues stemming from Bangladesh.

Well that is your internal politics and border issues with BD. I was just explaining the BD member that fencing that India has put up on borders with Pakistan is not right at the zero line or the border. The land on other side of Indian fencing is also Indian territory as per the agreements. It is only after a few hundred meters of land there is a thin no mans land strip after which Pakistani territory starts.

Indian farmers in many places at Punjab daily go on other side of the fence to look after the fields. The flag meetings between both countries are normally held in no mans land and they don't go to each other territory for that.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well that is your internal politics and border issues with BD. I was just explaining the BD member that fencing that India has put up on borders with Pakistan is not right at the zero line or the border. The land on other side of Indian fencing is also Indian territory as per the agreements. It is only after a few hundred meters of land there is a thin no mans land strip after which Pakistani territory starts.

Indian farmers in many places at Punjab daily go on other side of the fence to look after the fields. The flag meetings between both countries are normally held in no mans land and they don't go to each other territory for that.

Yes nature of India-Pak border terrain on agreed international border (and even LoC) allows for the regular convention and practice to be followed.

Bangladesh - India border is another can of worms given the huge rivers, mudflats, towns and villages right on borderl, river islands....so India has been patient with the holes thus far because of Bangladesh protests....but now its deciding to take some action on ground zero line it seems given the problem is not abating....and the conditions are just bad for regular convention (or it would have already been done just like in majority of India-BD border already).

Guess we will have to wait and see how it develops. I mean if the fence is within the first metre on Indian side, whats the big problem.

 

[Allen Iverson]

Yeah, don't compare oranges and apples.

Yea, don't compare oranges and apples.. anything goes with apple, but with orange it is a crime.. You get that logic??

 

[Nilgiri]

Bharat can't do this land grab without destroying current good relation with Bangladesh.2001 like incidence will happen if Bharat try to put this fence at zero line.Read this-

12:00 AM, July 14, 2016 / LAST MODIFIED: 02:47 AM, July 14, 2016
India to move fences closer to zero line
Delhi yet to formally inform Dhaka of its decision
Star Report
India has decided to shift the fencing along the Bangladesh border towards the zero line to enhance security and mitigate the problems of Indian villages situated between the fence and the border.

The decision was made at a meeting at the home ministry in New Delhi on Tuesday.

Yesterday, the Indian home ministry issued a statement which said, “In order to mitigate the problem of Indian villages located between fence & border and to enhance security along IBB [Indo-Bangla Border], it was decided that fence will be shifted towards the zero line to bring Indian villages within the fence.”

It said the governments of the states concerned were asked to expedite land acquisition for border infrastructure work, reports our New Delhi correspondent.

Bangladesh shares its border with five Indian states -- Assam, West Bengal, Tripura, Meghalaya and Mizoram.

Bangladesh Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal told The Daily Star yesterday evening that he was not aware of any such move by India.

Asked, Senior Secretary to Bangladesh home ministry Mozammel Haque Khan said the Indian side was yet to formally inform Bangladesh about such a decision.


“We will address the issue once they inform us formally,” he said.


As per the international law, no establishments can be set up within 150 yards of the zero line, he said. “If they make a move to build anything violating the rules, we will protest it in accordance with the international law.”

Talking to our New Delhi correspondent yesterday, a joint secretary (border management) at the Indian home ministry said there was no problem in building fence near the zero line as long as it is in Indian territory.

He said no international law on boundary bars a country from building infrastructure 150 yards from the zero line.

Asked if this issue was discussed with Bangladesh at any home secretary-level meeting or by the Joint Boundary Working Group, he said the matter was not discussed recently, but it was taken up at the last JBWG meeting in 2015.

The meeting at the Indian home ministry reviewed the situation in the border areas in the light of “the recent incidents” in Bangladesh and heightened threat perception of infiltration.

It also discussed issues related to cross-border terrorism, charge sheet and conviction in border crimes, problems of forged identity cards, cattle smuggling and fencing of border.

Chaired by Secretary (border management) Susheel Kumar, the meeting was attended by senior officials of Assam, West Bengal, Tripura, Meghalaya and Mizoram. Home Secretary Rajiv Mehrishi was also present.
http://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/india-push-fences-closer-zero-line-1253419

We dont care about your protests.

If you cared about relations you would fence your side as well.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Bharat can't do this land grab without destroying current good relation with Bangladesh.2001 like incidence will happen if Bharat try to put this fence at zero line.Read this-

12:00 AM, July 14, 2016 / LAST MODIFIED: 02:47 AM, July 14, 2016
India to move fences closer to zero line
Delhi yet to formally inform Dhaka of its decision
Star Report
India has decided to shift the fencing along the Bangladesh border towards the zero line to enhance security and mitigate the problems of Indian villages situated between the fence and the border.

The decision was made at a meeting at the home ministry in New Delhi on Tuesday.

Yesterday, the Indian home ministry issued a statement which said, “In order to mitigate the problem of Indian villages located between fence & border and to enhance security along IBB [Indo-Bangla Border], it was decided that fence will be shifted towards the zero line to bring Indian villages within the fence.”

It said the governments of the states concerned were asked to expedite land acquisition for border infrastructure work, reports our New Delhi correspondent.

Bangladesh shares its border with five Indian states -- Assam, West Bengal, Tripura, Meghalaya and Mizoram.

Bangladesh Home Minister Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal told The Daily Star yesterday evening that he was not aware of any such move by India.

Asked, Senior Secretary to Bangladesh home ministry Mozammel Haque Khan said the Indian side was yet to formally inform Bangladesh about such a decision.


“We will address the issue once they inform us formally,” he said.


As per the international law, no establishments can be set up within 150 yards of the zero line, he said. “If they make a move to build anything violating the rules, we will protest it in accordance with the international law.”

Talking to our New Delhi correspondent yesterday, a joint secretary (border management) at the Indian home ministry said there was no problem in building fence near the zero line as long as it is in Indian territory.

He said no international law on boundary bars a country from building infrastructure 150 yards from the zero line.

Asked if this issue was discussed with Bangladesh at any home secretary-level meeting or by the Joint Boundary Working Group, he said the matter was not discussed recently, but it was taken up at the last JBWG meeting in 2015.

The meeting at the Indian home ministry reviewed the situation in the border areas in the light of “the recent incidents” in Bangladesh and heightened threat perception of infiltration.

It also discussed issues related to cross-border terrorism, charge sheet and conviction in border crimes, problems of forged identity cards, cattle smuggling and fencing of border.

Chaired by Secretary (border management) Susheel Kumar, the meeting was attended by senior officials of Assam, West Bengal, Tripura, Meghalaya and Mizoram. Home Secretary Rajiv Mehrishi was also present.
http://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/india-push-fences-closer-zero-line-1253419

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