India to customise Russia's FGFA planes

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The Indian version of an Indo-Russian fifth-generation fighter plane is going to be lighter weight, more powerful and less visible to enemy radars that the original Russian version, according to a senior executive at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

Under a joint project with Russia to build a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) India will modify and customise the prototype Russia has developed independently.

“While the Russian version of the FGFA is all-metal, ours will have wings and empennage (vertical and horizontal stabilisers) made of composite materials,” said S. Subrahmanyan, Managing Director of MiG Complex at HAL.

“The use of composites will reduce the plane’s weight and give it lower signature. Our version will also have more advanced Indian-made avionics,” Mr. Subrahmanyan told The Hindu at the Moscow Air Show-2013. He is leading a HAL delegation to the biannual air show being held this year from August 27 to September 1.

“Thanks to these improvements we will get a better and more powerful platform,” Mr. Subrahmanyan said.

The FGFA is going to be India’s biggest and most ambitious defence project and the largest joint venture with Russia. Earlier this year the two sides completed the preliminary design of the FGFA and are now negotiating a detailed design contract. Mr. Subrahmanyan said he hopes the contract could be signed before the end of the current year.

Four Russian prototypes of the fifth-generation fighter, codenamed T-50 or PAK-FA, have performed more than 200 test flights since January 2010. The Russian Air Force plans to begin inducting the plane in 2015.

HAL is to get three Russian prototypes for re-design and testing in 2015, 2016 and 2017, and will hand over the first series produced aircraft to the IAF in 2019, Mr. Subrahmanyan said.

The FGFA project will take the Indian expertise in aviation technologies to a much higher level.

“We’ve moved from license production and technology transfer to co-design and co-development,” Mr. Subrahmanyan said. He pointed out that India supplies avionics for Su-30 Russia is building for Malaysia and Indonesia.

“Co-design offers far greater scope for knowledge sharing compared with license production. In co-design projects all Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) are jointly held by parties involved,” Mr. Subrahmanyan added.

India is currently working on two co-design defence projects with Russia – the FGFA and the Multi-role Transport Aircraft, which is already in detailed design stage.

With the West, India has so far had only one co-design project – the Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv, developed with assistance from Germany’s MBB.



India to customise Russia's FGFA planes - The Hindu



Great news!!!!

 

[[Z]eEshAn]

gr8 news

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Reaping the benefits of tech developed in LCA Tejas program!!!

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Similar to the mki project mostly.Avionics will be indian,european and israeli along with the basic russian elements.
Might very well see meteor integrated to make this a total beast.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The title doesn't make sense as FGFA is the India specific spin-off project that is yet to receive an official designation from the IAF. The RuAF's is designated PAK-FA/T-50.


But as noted, the FGFA is pretty much a "MKIised" PAK-FA/T-50 with Indian, Israeli and French electronics/accessories so it should be an EXCELLANT machine.

With the best of both worlds.

 

[he-man]

Care to explain what indian made electronics will be more advanced than russian ones??

Total nonsense..........
1)radars(5 of them remain same)

2)OLS will remain the same like in mki and mig

3)ONLY change may be in jammers,maws and rwr's

On composite materials---------------Russians are not foolish to not use composites,,,,they are using titanium in key areas as titanium is very good at high temp that develops after mach2 and they want a speed of mach 2.25

 

[he-man]

And for the love of god which indian avionics??

 

[anant_s]

Russian fighter plus Israeli &/or French Avionics plus Made in India = One Heady Mix
(Can't wait)

 

[he-man]

Russian fighter plus Israeli &/or French Avionics plus Made in India = One Heady Mix
(Can't wait)

there is gonna be nothing indian

only jammers will be foreign,,,like mki's

 

[confound thinker]

This has added to my confusion.
The following is my understanding on the project.Can anybody clarify the mistakes....
Pak-Fa is the 5th generation version made from the T-50 prototype by Russia and later India joined as a partner in this program with 50% take in ownership/cost sharing and 25% work share(including mission computer,composite body...etc.).
But since India had joined very late most of the design of PAK-FA was almost over and the first prototype was about to roll out.So how was India going to again get 25% work share when most of the work was already over ????
Or is it such that this 25% is only for the twin seater version FGFA ????
and India had ordered a total of 166 fighters including single seat versions right????
So i can assume that the twin seater version will be FGFA (i.e the MKI'sed version of PAKFA with twin seater config with European,Israeli ,Russian and Indian avionics)??
But what about the single seat version??? Is it directly PAK-FA or an MKI"sed version of the single seater PAK-FA???
Is there a non MKI'sed version of the PAK-FA in twin seater configuration to be used by the Russian Air force or do only the Indians have the requirement of a twin seat variant ????

 

[Echo_419]

Can anyone give me a list of Indian Origin equipment in the coming Pakfa

 

[he-man]

Can anyone give me a list of Indian Origin equipment in the coming Pakfa

nothing.............nothing at all,its all rhetoric

This has added to my confusion.
The following is my understanding on the project.Can anybody clarify the mistakes....
Pak-Fa is the 5th generation version made from the T-50 prototype by Russia and later India joined as a partner in this program with 50% take in ownership/cost sharing and 25% work share(including mission computer,composite body...etc.).
But since India had joined very late most of the design of PAK-FA was almost over and the first prototype was about to roll out.So how was India going to again get 25% work share when most of the work was already over ????
Or is it such that this 25% is only for the twin seater version FGFA ????
and India had ordered a total of 166 fighters including single seat versions right????
So i can assume that the twin seater version will be FGFA (i.e the MKI'sed version of PAKFA with twin seater config with European,Israeli ,Russian and Indian avionics)??
But what about the single seat version??? Is it directly PAK-FA or an MKI"sed version of the single seater PAK-FA???
Is there a non MKI'sed version of the PAK-FA in twin seater configuration to be used by the Russian Air force or do only the Indians have the requirement of a twin seat variant ????

1)twin seat version is definitely cancelled

2)HAL has no role in design

3)No indian systems are there in fgfa,,,most probably will use a combo of foreign components

4)Its not directly pakfa.............we will modify it by hardware and software and adding some more composites........basic shape will remain same and our fgfa will use engines of higher thrust with each rated at 176 kn!!!

Russian fighter plus Israeli &/or French Avionics plus Made in India = One Heady Mix
(Can't wait)

go to maks 2013 page,..............pakfa irst and other stuff is posted there!!!

 

[confound thinker]

nothing.............nothing at all,its all rhetoric



1)twin seat version is definitely cancelled

2)HAL has no role in design

1)So are you saying that FGFA will only be of single seat variant??
If yes then will IAF only buy 166 FGFA(all single seaters)and no PAK-FAs directly??
Or is it like that we may go for a few PAk-FA's from russia till the FGFA comes and the rest will be FGFAs???
2)But at the time of signing of the contract it was mentioned that Hal will have 25% work share in in the project??Are you saying that this is only there in FGFA ???Or not even in that???

 

[he-man]

1)So are you saying that FGFA will only be of single seat variant??
If yes then will IAF only buy 166 FGFA(all single seaters)and no PAK-FAs directly??
Or is it like that we may go for a few PAk-FA's from russia till the FGFA comes and the rest will be FGFAs???
2)But at the time of signing of the contract it was mentioned that Hal will have 25% work share in in the project??Are you saying that this is only there in FGFA ???Or not even in that???

1)only 144 will be bought,,,,according to reports
2)HAL is just loudmouth,,,it has absolutely nothing to contribute,,,,,,,do u seriously believe HAL would tell sukhoi that they have better solutions??

3)Contribution of HAL in fgfa will be integrating the foreign stuff and some composites in the airframe,nothing else

 

[confound thinker]

1)only 144 will be bought,,,,according to reports
2)HAL is just loudmouth,,,it has absolutely nothing to contribute,,,,,,,do u seriously believe HAL would tell sukhoi that they have better solutions??

3)Contribution of HAL in fgfa will be integrating the foreign stuff and some composites in the airframe,nothing else

What I,m asking is will all these 144 planes be single seater FGFA or twin seater FGFA or a mixture of both??Or is India even considering buying a few PAK-FAs directly???