India to Commission its First Indigenous Aircraft Carrier INS Vikrant (IAC-I) by 2019

[KalaGhoda]

Nonsense cause we shall have at least half of it, i think its fair enough.

LoL...ogay sweetie, it's fair. come and take it.

 

[Storm Force]

India is not threatening anyone it not in their make up.

But we will not comprise on maintaining their national interests and borders

 

[arbit]

They are deveolping the relevant products, it is not even close to success yet. If even one of those aformentioned product will be bought from the shelf overseas, go kill your self ASAP. You are so fast to forget the trauma if you once had. wait and see. India can't make the carrier standard steel unless the Russians sell it to you. Don't lie!

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@wanglaokan dude you are crazy. Just for god sake come out clear for once and for all. you want cooperation and friendship with india or like to troll as above

 

[Echo_419]

We should induct one aircraft carrier every five years.

No you are going to slow
We should induct a Nimitz class carrier every 2-3 years along with F-35B

The semi-finished hull is floating there for so many years, hope it won't get rusty before year 2019. Typical Indian way of doing things.

No surprise, delay, low efficiency, hyper, bought.


If the Russia don't provide you the steel, you can't even make a mockup of it. Please use the word 'indigenous' carefully. ram? CIWS? fighter jets? propulsion? radar? control units? tell me which one you can produce indigenous?

Please take care of the boiler this time, don't blame China fire bricks any more.

According to my previous experience of Indians' efficiency, this one can't be completed until year 2022.

You should not resort to useless trolling
Reported

 

[帅的一匹]

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@wanglaokan dude you are crazy. Just for god sake come out clear for once and for all. you want cooperation and friendship with india or like to troll as above

actually he offend me first.

 

[Koovie]

She is going to be a beauty:

As @Mike_Brando has stated the IAC-1 will have a gun-based CIWS, the BARAK-2 LR-SAM and possibly the BARAK-1 CIWS. Having said that the IN follows the USN/Western concept wherein the firepower lies in the CBG as such the IAC (and Viky) will have P-15A Kolkata Class destroyers (in the future P-15Bs), P-17 Shivlaik Frigates (in the future P-17As) or Talwar class frigates as well as ASW P-28 Corvettes, SSKs and support ships like Deepak Class FRS. The-P-15A/P-15B, P-17/P-17A and IAC-1 will all have the BARAK-2 LR-SAM.

(note the P-15A/B, P-17/A and Talwar Classes all will be carrying a serious number of Brahmos cruise missiles also)

The P-15A, P-17A and IAC-1 will be equipped with the EL/M-2248 MF-STAR, the P-15Bs, P-17As and IAC-1 will also have the RAN-40L Volume Search Radar which will arguably be one of the most capable sensor compliments on the high seas. This is all before we talk about the air wing incorporating fighters, advanced AW helos (S-70B) and AEW helos. All in all a devastatingly deadly CBG.

Naval F 15s ?

can anyone write the details of SAM's and Anti-ship missiles system used in Vikrant ?

Aircraft carriers do not carry anti ship missiles.

Air defence will likely consist of Barak SAMs and Russian CIWS guns

 

[Abingdonboy]

Naval F 15s ?

Yeah yeah- blame the company that came up with the renders! Other than that oversight she is looking to become a a fine ship indeed.

Air defence will likely consist of Barak SAMs and Russian CIWS guns

Again bro, It is unlikely Russian CIWS (AK-630) will be onboard- the IN is looking to get a new gen gun-based CIWS to replace their old Russian (AK-630) CIWS and the hunt is on:

Indian Navy for 25 new CIWS for warships - SP's Naval Forces

 

[arbit]

actually he offend me first.

you are no less wanglaokan. I have seen some of your posts.
But i seriously believe that if you leave the boundary issue aside, we get along just fine. Culturally we are closer. We have had ties dating back to centuries. We both are ancient civilisations. And most importantly we have no ideological issues. In fact we do not hate China and chinese at all.

So we do not need to pull each other down and if someone else offends you, be the bigger guy. There are other sensible posters here and they will return the compliment.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

1. Do you believe India needs super carriers (like US nuclear ACs) which carries much higher number of birds and heavier armaments/payloads. Especially since i feel IN will never operate more than 3 carriers and arm themselves with 3 CBGs.

2. Will such super carriers enable longer range birds to be inducted more giving us more reach range and strategic capability? Then what kind of birds may be envisioned/procured/manufactured for IN?

3. Does having multiple Arihant type reactors say 10/20 in numbers will be enough to power such a carrier?

4. If super carriers is a NO then can someone enlighten how having say 3 CBGs with 3 ACs and say 24 Mig 29k X 3 = 72 or even consider 30 birds each so 90 Birds enough? Thats like having a single super carrier capacity. For control and supremacy over Indian Ocean Region (for all economic/trade benefits or for military purpose) how only 90 bird capability would be enough?

5. Incase we do get say LCA N (MK1 or MK2 proposed) whats their capability (proposed also) vs MIG 29K. Are they in a total of 90 say fighters if included provide enough to meet our requisite strategic vision. Implying 90 odd birds meeting IOR control?

 

[Juggernautjatt]

I really admire Indian Navy's decision for selecting combo of RAN-40L & EL/M-2248 radars. This conjunction is on par with the best there in service with the large displacement warships of the navies of the US and Japan.
RAN 40L Volume Search Radar is an advanced D-band, fully solid state phased array, 3D Air Surveillance radar that ensures an instrumental detection of aircraft up to 400 Km in range and up to 30 Km in height. The use of multiple simultaneous independently phase controlled pencil beams provides high flexibility in scanning and very high data rate resulting highly effective for clutter processing. Each beam provides monopulse altitude measurements. Reduced transmitted peak power provides resistance against ARM (Anti Radiation Missile) and ECM (Electronic Counter Measures).

 

[ni8mare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/540888632391790592

 

[sancho]

Good and what about aircraft it will carry ? Tejas N MK1 / MK2 ?

N-LCA MK1 will be tech demos and prototypes only, IN wants MK2s for operational service, which will come only beyond 2020, so Mig 29Ks will be the first to serve on IAC1, just as on INS Vikramaditya.

For control and supremacy over Indian Ocean Region (for all economic/trade benefits or for military purpose) how only 90 bird capability would be enough?

Against whom??? There is not a single country in that region, that will pose a threat to IN, that would even require a single carrier in the first place, because our surface fleet is growing fast in numbers and capabilities, just as the reach of our shore based aircrafts is.
And not the number of aircrafts on the carrier are important, but what capability the aircrafts provide. A super carrier with 90 N-LCAs will still lose against a medium class carrier with 30 x Rafales. So there is more to consider than just having the carrier capability in the navy, it's size or the number of fighters.

 

[Abingdonboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/540888632391790592

It's such a shame the IN is so secretive of the progress of their vessels, we only rarely get to see updates in construction. Contrast this with the QE Class ACCs being built for the RN where the makers of the ships (BAE) are giving weekly updates (along with pics) of the construction work.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Against whom??? There is not a single country in that region, that will pose a threat to IN, that would even require a single carrier in the first place, because our surface fleet is growing fast in numbers and capabilities, just as the reach of our shore based aircrafts is.
And not the number of aircrafts on the carrier are important, but what capability the aircrafts provide. A super carrier with 90 N-LCAs will still lose against a medium class carrier with 30 x Rafales. So there is more to consider than just having the carrier capability in the navy, it's size or the number of fighters.

That is correct Sancho and thats why the question is 3 ACC enough? i do understand 30 Rafale M is superior to LCA N but the question is does IAC 2 or even say IAC 3 is planned for such birds? LCA N even with best case scenario is far more lighter then Rafale M so at present is our IAC1 capable to handle Rafales and may be FGFA (naval variant if developed)

Second its true that shore based capacity is increasing but that does not imply we can load our IACs with limited reach birds. Since IN is trying to be a formidable force, does it not make sense to may be look at super carriers?

Again IAC 2 had been speculated to be 65000 tonnes but no credible information to confirm that. If its really 65K do you forsee just Mig 29k/LCA N mix you suppose the tonnage implies some other medium weight birds like Rafale N is in the mix. What other aircrafts do you suppose may fit such a scheme?

 

[sancho]

That is correct Sancho and thats why the question is 3 ACC enough?

As I said, it depends what you want to do with it and against whom? If the aim is just basic coastal defence and Sea Control in the IOR with minimum ammount of threats, even the 2 carriers we currently plan with are enough.
If the aim is to extend power beyond the IOR, we need more carriers.
And if we aim on taking on China in the east with allied forces, we not only more carriers but far more capable airwings.

Second its true that shore based capacity is increasing but that does not imply we can load our IACs with limited reach birds.

As said above, it depends on what your aim is. Even a low capable N-LCA can proivide air defence for the CBG and some anti ship capability in Sea Control roles, but if you aim on attacking enemy countries with proper air defences, N-LCAs are not useful at all. That's where our shore based assets will be far more important!
We rather would use MKIs in strike roles, covered by Mig 29UPGs and supported by IL78 tankers as well as A50 Phalcon AWACS from shore bases, than using Mig 29Ks in strike roles, covered by N-LCAs and supported by Ka31 AEW helicopters from a carrier.
The only real threat to IN is PLAN and here again it's not the surface fleet that an aircraft carrier must counter that have to fear, it's the sub fleet where we have to build up proper ASW capability against and that should have much more priority!

Again IAC 2 had been speculated to be 65000 tonnes but no credible information to confirm that. If its really 65K do you forsee just Mig 29k/LCA N mix you suppose the tonnage implies some other medium weight birds like Rafale N is in the mix. What other aircrafts do you suppose may fit such a scheme?

The size is not important for what fighters we will use, but the take off system. If the US sells us catapults, Migs, N-LCA and N-FGFA are out of question. If they don't and we will build just a bigger IAC1, Migs, N-LCA and N-FGFA could be used again.