India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[wali87]

These 36 rafale aircrafts will be equiped with a PESA radars. It will be a while before indian airfirce upgrades them with Aesa. So technically PAF F-16 both 52s and MLUs armed with Recently aqcuired 120c5 missiles would be more than capable of keeping them at bay.

However PAF would require a couple ofnew squadrons of J10b or more f16s to counter the rising number of advanced fighters in IAF arsenal. AS per my sources, the number of rafales would probable rise to between 65-70 compared previously reports of 126.

 

[axisofevil]

Utterly stupid move . Should've either cancelled the deal as a whole or signed it instaed of buying few off the shelf and giving france the leverage to arm twist us .Typical modi bhakts like you will upload the mess up we know



Are you serious ?
Waste of billions when farmers are out there suiciding

If we dont arm our forces properly, our enemies will keep eating up our land. As a result, of farmers will continue to die as they loose land to till.



As for the plane, how many choices do we have? A lot of folks on this forum will use the premise that we do not want to be arm twisted with sanctions and such, which eliminated a chunk of suppliers such as the Americans and the EFT. As a result, we are left with Russian and French. This deal and the entire negotiations was developed by Congress. Dont ever forget that. This tender was created in such a terrible way, it didnt allow Modi any room to develop more solutions. So thank Congress fo fuking up as they have done since Independence.

 

[munchkin]

144 is too many. 36 is a good number. Enough to replace the aging Mirages. India does not want to rely too much on any 1 country.

 

[axisofevil]

144 is too many. 36 is a good number. Enough to replace the aging Mirages. India does not want to rely too much on any 1 country.

Better to rely on ourselves but only after we have attained a greater expertise in many spheres. Too many platforms is bad for us, regarding maintenance. More numbers is not a bad idea as the Rafale is a pretty good plane.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

I dont think you can change the RFP like this. According to the following article we will be getting 36 (G-G contract) + 126 (according to MMRCA tender). Otherwise scarp the contract altogether and go for more G-G order.

Another interesting speculation made by the author is-
"This has led to whispers of some other high-end defence technology transfers from France as a quid pro quo for this deal. One such technology being spoken about is the reactor for the Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear (SSBN) Submarine; India is currently in the process of making its first indigenous nuclear submarine, the Arihant."

Indian express: Rafale fighter jet deal- what does it mean for india? (Can't post links)

go to address bar & copy the url & paste it in your post. Simple. Assuming that your a newbee, am trying to help.
Ignore if you know that already.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

Swamy takes on Narendra Modi, calls new Rafale jet deal between India, France a 'case of arbitrariness' - IBNLive

New Delhi: Prime Minister Narendra Modi's decision to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition under a new deal with France has come will severe criticism from a prominent member of his own party. After meeting French President Francois Hollande in Paris on Friday, Modi announced that Indian Air Force will get 36 Rafale jets which is apart from the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) agreement for 126 more planes.

But senior BJP leader Subramanian Swamy termed the new Rafale fighter jet deal between India and France a case of arbitrariness. Swamy is yet to decide on what action to take over Modi government's decision to purchase 36 aircraft from France.

Swamy said, "I have not yet decided on whether to approach the court. I am waiting for papers on the new Rafael deal. It prima facie appears to be a case of arbitrariness." Swamy requested Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

"There are two major issues with the Rafale aircraft deal which would embarrass the BJP government. The first is that Rafale is less fuel efficient aircraft and lacking in essential performance characteristic that no country in the world has agreed to buy these aircraft," Swamy said in a statement.

"If the Prime Minister for some other 'compulsion' decides to go ahead with the deal, I will have no option but to approach the court in PIL to get it set aside," he said.

Sources said that Finance Minister Arun Jaitley crafted the new arrangement between India and France during his brief spell as the defence minister earlier.

IAF selected the Rafael fighter under the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal after a close competition which also saw Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen in the race. While Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen were eliminated very early, Dassault Rafale edged out the Eurofighter Typhoon in the final negotiation.

At present the IAf has just 34 fighter squadrons against the ideal 45 squadrons required to take on the threat from both Pakistan and China simultaneously. The ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 planes are being phased out which will see the IAF strength depleting by at least eight more squadrons.

Under the MMRCA terms, India is to get only 18 Rafale directly while the rest 108 fighters will be manufactured by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. But the final deal between India and France is stuck over who would be responsible for the manufacturers' guarantee on 108 jets which could be built HAL. India wants Rafale maker Dassault Aviation to take full responsibility which the latter has till now not agreed to.

SWAMI sir making a huge mistake. Before people was so optimistic about Corrupted congress. But this move will back fire.

SWAMI sir can go go Court it's his right but this govt will do its due duty . Rafale is a Mess to be selected over EF strong evidence of kickbacks like Scorpene deals scam . It's one of the reason RAFL can't decrease it's price . But negotiations are going on for correcting it. Rafale is need he hour . EF is not ready for multi role

 

[Odysseus]

go to address bar & copy the url & paste it in your post. Simple. Assuming that your a newbee, am trying to help.
Ignore if you know that already.

Thanks for the info mate, but I am not able to post links cause the forum couldn't permit me until I reach a count of 30 posts.

PS: not a newbie

 

[egodoc222]

I'm surprised at the scared reaction of the Indian fanboys. Sounds like they've woken up to the reality of the MMRCA flop saga... just like they woke up to the LCA - Flying Rickshaws.

I don't think Pakistan has restricted any country from importing the JF-17 Thunder, so, if the push comes to shove there's always that option for India.

i would say if push comes to shove...you guys shove it up your...

 

[Pulsar]

On top:Which AA missile would come with This Rafale F3

Something akin to this....

 

[Odysseus]

How Narendra Modi reworked Rafale deal, and why it’s a winner: TOI

 

[kaykay]

These 36 rafale aircrafts will be equiped with a PESA radars. It will be a while before indian airfirce upgrades them with Aesa. So technically PAF F-16 both 52s and MLUs armed with Recently aqcuired 120c5 missiles would be more than capable of keeping them at bay.

However PAF would require a couple ofnew squadrons of J10b or more f16s to counter the rising number of advanced fighters in IAF arsenal. AS per my sources, the number of rafales would probable rise to between 65-70 compared previously reports of 126.

Naah. They will be equipped with RBE2-AA'S ( AESA radars) along with Spectra suite from very start. By the way number of Rafale will now rise to 144 from 126 earlier, 36+108 now compared to 18+108 earlier. Seems you have missed many infos so I will suggest that go through the entire thread.

 

[cirr]

Talk，talk，talk！

When will you guys stop talking and actually start doing something，on your own？

 

[ashok321]

 

[anant_s]

Swamy said, "I have not yet decided on whether to approach the court. I am waiting for papers on the new Rafael deal. It prima facie appears to be a case of arbitrariness." Swamy requested Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

Swami must realize that it was IAF that selected Rafale not UPA. It could be justified had he been taking objections over its price and other commercial issues, but don't think he is qualified to make comments Technicality of the selection process. The issue won't stand ground in any court of law, Swami being a legal eagle should understand this better than anyone.

 

[ashok321]

"Our main challenge is to create jobs for the young -- 800 million Indians are less than 35 years old," Modi told Le Figaro daily.

HAL issue would be solved somehow.

Swami must realize that it was IAF that selected Rafale not UPA. It could be justified had he been taking objections over its price and other commercial issues, but don't think he is qualified to make comments Technicality of the selection process. The issue won't stand ground in any court of law, Swami being a legal eagle should understand this better than anyone.

SS is on the back foot. Would retreat.