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India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

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144 units of Rafale is very decent number, It's a great incentives to our Pakistan friend.

while India is building up deals, Pakistan shall do something to respond.

it shall not be only restrained to buy some second handed F16 to cope with Rafale.

@Horus
Yes time for Chinese Session Clearance sale..
 
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If France keep on finding issues with the contract, India will keep on buying off the shelf.



Contract and France are like oil and water, they don't mix well. But at the end it looks like India will get their aircraft.
 
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Contract and France are like oil and water, they don't mix well. But at the end it looks like India will get their aircraft.

Yep, France broke off their contract with Russia (for the Mistral-class) due to American pressure.

So it is fine, as long as they don't annoy America.
 
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We have very high-level military cooperation with Pakistan, to deal with any potential threat coming from India side.
History is against you,all you did was ,left pakistan in cold and dark room to get the beating.
 
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if your bravado makes you feel happy, then be it, but that is not how long term strategic decisions are made. IAF will buy what meets its doctrinal needs in the backdrop of perceived threats. not what Pak or China can afford or not. It's never about the money, but somehow you guys can never come out of it.

Ones you commit for the 36, you will not go for any new platform, you may however limit it to 36 and acquire more SU30's, but it will not be anything else. It's neither easy nor tactically sound to go for two new similar platforms simultaneously. Setting up maintenance infrastructure, spares, armament would become a nightmare.

From our PIOV, we would love if you get 3 new platforms. get my point.


Retardness should have some limit .And your post is full of that.
You dont need to butthurt but it is a reality.We are now applying a two prong strategy .Developing our own indigenous tech and buying advanced foreign tech from abroad .
LCA is the manifestation of our own hardwork and indigenous technology .
And Rafale is a crown jewel of most advanced European A/C technology .
So in near future we will have better domestic industry .


That post was correct .

Pakistan's only choice is Chinese because you dont have money .If you have that you would be surely at West camp for at lest EF.
And for Chinese they have a lots of money .but embargo is doing a nice job.
 
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Yep, France broke off their contract with Russia (for the Mistral-class) due to American pressure.

So it is fine, as long as they don't annoy America.


France also gave the british sensitive codes to Mirage fighters, that is why Argentinian Mirages were helplessly shot down by British Harriers. It is off topic, but this thread is off topic. In the end once India gets those Rafales in numbers they will have one of the best equipped air forces in the world regardless of politics.
 
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RAFALE UPDATE
Additional 108 Rafale will be built in india as per the mmrca terms.. Which makes a total of 144 birds. 36 off the shelf 108 built here=144.
India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly away shape, HAL to build 108 after technology transfer | idrw.org

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Are u sure abt this? 36 rafi costing us some 5 billion dollars,so another 12 billion (may be 20 billion) for mmrca.... Its a huge amount, we are not that much rich.I think mmrca contract is dead.
we are rich:woot:
India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly away shape, HAL to build 108 after technology transfer | idrw.org
 
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if your bravado makes you feel happy, then be it, but that is not how long term strategic decisions are made. IAF will buy what meets its doctrinal needs in the backdrop of perceived threats. not what Pak or China can afford or not. It's never about the money, but somehow you guys can never come out of it.

Ones you commit for the 36, you will not go for any new platform, you may however limit it to 36 and acquire more SU30's, but it will not be anything else. It's neither easy nor tactically sound to go for two new similar platforms simultaneously. Setting up maintenance infrastructure, spares, armament would become a nightmare.

From our PIOV, we would love if you get 3 new platforms. get my point.
And IAF selected Rafale not because of their technology but Rafale is advanced version that has a lots of similarities with mirage .And we have mirage .

France also gave the british sensitive codes to Mirage fighters, that is why Argentinian Mirages were helplessly shot down by British Harriers. It is off topic, but this thread is off topic. In the end once India gets those Rafales in numbers they will have one of the best equipped air forces in the world regardless of politics.

That is why we still looking for a diversified AF until we get our own tech .Su and FGFA is already in there.
for us .
 
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Rafale deal sealed; India to buy 36 French-made jets - Rediff.com India News

Marking a breakthrough in the protracted talks in the French Rafale jet deal, Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced on Friday that India will purchase 36 of these fighter planes that are ready to fly, citing critical operational requirement of the Indian Air Force.

The announcement was made by Modi at a joint news conference with French President Francois Hollange after their summit talks at Elysee palace.

India and France were locked in negotiations for three years over the purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets valued at 12 billion USD (around 746 crore) but has been bogged down over cost and Dassault Aviation's reluctance to stand guarantee for 108 planes to be made by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

“Keeping in mind critical operational necessity of fighter jets in India, I have talked to him (Hollande) and requested for 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition as quickly as possible under government-to-government deal,” Modi said.

An agreement on proceeding forward on the stalled nuclear project in Jaitapur in Maharashtra was among the 17 pacts signed after the talks between Modi and Hollande. The Jaitapur project, where French company Areva is to set up six nuclear reactors with total power generation capacity of about 10,000 MW, is stuck for long because of differences over the cost of electricity to be generated.

The agreement between India's Larsen and Toubro and France's AREVA is aimed at cost reduction by increasing localisation, to improve financial viability of Jaitapur project.

Another pact related to Pre-engineering agreements between NPCIL and AREVA in connection with studies that is intended to bring clarity on all technical aspects of the plant so that all parties (AREVA, ALSTOM and NPCIL) can firm up their price and optimise all provisions for risks still included at this stage in the costs of the project.

It will also enable transfer of technology and development of indigenous nuclear energy industry in India.


France also informed India of its decision to implement a scheme for expedited 48 hours visa issuance for Indian tourists.

"There is no such sphere where India and France are not cooperating. France is among India's most valued friend," Modi said.

France also announced an investment of 2 billion euros (about USD 1 billion) in India as Modi invited French companies to pump in money in technology in the fastest growing economy.

France will invest 2 billion euros in India, Hollande announced at a CEO forum in Paris.

Inviting French investors, Modi said, "There is no bigger market than India. It is also the fastest growing economy since the last six months. Various rating agencies like World Bank and Moodys have said in one voice that India is the fastest growing nation.


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"It is rare to find a country with a market, with the government determined on development and demographic dividend. Investors are usually worried about the security of intellectual property (IP). Only democracies like India can guarantee that," he said.

Addressing a CEOs forum, Hollande said: "We are ready to allocate through French companies 2 billion euros to support India's sustainable development."

He said France will partner India in Urban development of infrastructure like railways and defence and nuclear sector.

Noting that President Hollande has supported 'Make in India' initiative especially in defence sector, Modi said at the joint news conference that the two countries have decided that the Rafale jets will be provided to India in modified terms and conditions.

"Today, we have taken defence cooperation between India and France to new levels."

"I had very good talks with President Hollande. Our defence sector ties are old. In defence equipment and technology. France has always been a reliable supplier. From fighter jets to submarines, our ties have been foremost," he said.

Modi said that in the area of Nuclear power, France has been a major partner with India.

"I am happy that in Jaitapur, we have made progress on setting up 6 nuclear power projects. Both have signed an agreement on reducing the cost of power production and more technical support and further study.

Especially, Areva and L&T have signed an agreement for making forgings in India. I feel this agreement is very significant and will be a perfect example of 'Make in India' and will take India to a new place in the area of advance technology." he said.

On other issues, Modi noted that there is a challenging atmosphere in the world and that there is turbulence in different areas due to which all are affected. "In this changing world, there are a number of uncertain questions on stability."

"Terrorism is spreading and taking new shapes. This challenge is being tackled in different forms and to tackle that an extensive strategy is to be evolved. Be it Paris or Mumbai, India and France have understood each other," Modi said.

The Prime Minister said it is the responsibility of every nation to lend support in the fight against terror and not allow terror groups to take shelter and punish the terrorists as soon as possible.

"India and France similarly views these challenges and that is why we will further strengthen our security ties," he added.

Image: Prime Minister Narendra Modi with the President of France Francois Hollande in Paris. Photograph: PIB
 
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