India tells China: Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you

[unicorn148]

Wuhan: Drawing a dramatic parallel between the territorial red lines of both countries, India on Sunday told China that just as New Delhi had been sensitive to its concerns over the Tibet Autonomous Region and Taiwan, Beijing too should be mindful of Indian sensitivities on Jammu and Kashmir.

The comparison – which is intended to drive home the depth of Indian concerns over recent Chinese attempts to question the country's sovereignty in Kashmir — was made by External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna in his meeting with China's Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi on the sidelines of the Russia-India-China trilateral meeting here.

This is the first time India has drawn this parallel directly, Indian officials told The Hindu.

Briefing reporters about the meeting, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said the two Ministers reviewed the state of bilateral relations, which Mr. Yang described as being in “very good shape.” As India-China relations grew, Mr. Krishna said, there was a need for both sides to be sensitive to each other's core concerns. “In that context,” said Ms. Rao, “[the External Affairs Minister] spoke of Jammu and Kashmir and expressed the hope that China would be sensitive to J&K just as we have been to the Tibet Autonomous Region and Taiwan.”

According to Ms. Rao, Mr. Yang said in response that China always believed the problem of Jammu and Kashmir could only be resolved through dialogue and negotiations between India and Pakistan and that there has been no change in its policy.

The Chinese Minister also said Beijing wanted to expand the political content of the relationship between the two countries. “He said both countries should see each other's growth as an opportunity and not a challenge.”

India has been objecting to the Chinese policy of issuing ‘stapled' visas to Kashmiri-domicile Indian citizens. New Delhi suspended defence exchanges with Beijing in August after an Indian general from Kashmir was denied a proper visa to travel to China on an official visit.

On the question of a permanent seat for India on a reformed UN Security Council – a question Mr. Krishna raised in a general way without reference to President Barack Obama's recent announcement – Mr. Yang said he acknowledged there had been a fundamental change in the international situation and that consultations were needed on the question of UN reform. He added that China was willing to continue and increase its consultations with India and others on this question, a stand Ms. Rao described as “incrementally speaking, a positive development.”

But she quickly added: “To say that they have given full-scale endorsement would be inaccurate.”

Also on Sunday, Mr. Krishna held bilateral talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and attended a working dinner of the RIC trilateral.

Ms. Rao said Mr. Lavrov strongly supported India's prospective membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and urged the country to work closely together with Russia and others for promoting security and cooperation across the Asia-Pacific region.

The RIC Foreign Ministers also strongly endorsed the idea of a trilateral discussion on the situation in Afghanistan and agreed that the BRIC forum, which links the three with Brazil, be expanded to include South Africa by the time of the next summit.

Also present at Mr. Krishna's meeting with the Chinese Foreign Minister was Duan Yunlin, vice governor of Hubei province. Mr. Duan spoke of Hubei's economic relations with India and described his own involvement in promoting business links with Bangalore and Andhra Pradesh. Mr. Krishna said he hoped India-China bilateral trade would cross the target of $ 60 billion but urged the Chinese side to do more to ensure a better balance.

 

[StingRoy]

Posted and being discussed at http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/80534-india-tells-china-kashmir-us-what-tibet-taiwan-you.html

 

[Rumpelstilskin]

India has finally started to act.... Now that Kashmir is out from the Disputed Territories List , I do not See any further debates On The Issue Of Kashmir from now on.... All Settled , Let the peace Prevail

 

[IND151]

i found this well written article.

Er… by the way, Tibet!

by Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 25th Jan 11

China has unquestionably boxed India into a corner in their boundary dispute. Hardening its position on the status of J&K, Beijing now treats that state as a part of Pakistan until determined otherwise. It is time for India to recalibrate its Tibet policy based on a harder-nosed appreciation of happenings in the Land of the Snows.

That New Delhi is already willing to play the Tibet card was signalled by foreign minister SM Krishna on a visit to Beijing last November, when he compared India’s sensitivities over Kashmir with China’s over Tibet and Taiwan. The foreign ministry also claims to have been blunt while raising the issue with Wen Jiabao during the Chinese premier’s visit to Delhi last month.

While a tactical Beijing may proffer cosmetic concessions, India’s key concern --- the boundary dispute --- will probably remain ignored. China simply has no incentive to settle that problem. Indian policymakers ascribe Beijing’s indifference to its calculation that a better border deal lies further down the superpower road, but more sophisticated China watchers discern another reason. With China’s leaders obsessively aware of their failure in suppressing Tibetan nationalism, they fear that delineating the border might see Indian influencing radiating into Tibet.

The Chinese logic is simple and elegant: keep New Delhi’s attention on Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh to prevent it from focusing on Tibet.

New Delhi must counter that strategy with a fundamental shift in the way it views the border dispute: as an India-Tibet-China issue, rather than as a purely Sino-Indian one. Tibet has long been the elephant in the room when New Delhi talks to Beijing; that presence must be unambiguously placed on the table. Beijing’s road to Lhasa, it must be made clear, runs through New Delhi.

This will harmonise many of the dissonances that afflict India’s China policy. The first of these is the uncomfortable political paradox of pretending that the Tibet issue does not exist, even while providing asylum to a hundred thousand Tibetan refugees, an entire eco-system of Tibetan Buddhism, the Tibetan government-in-exile and the Dalai Lama himself.

New Delhi also faces an ethical disconnect between its morality in providing that sanctuary on the one hand; and its grubby realism in neutering Tibetan interests for fear of offending Beijing on the other. In emphasising the latter, India unwisely relinquishes the opportunity to generate and coalesce around itself global moral opinion on Tibet. This is especially surprising, given that India’s conciliation on Tibet has only emboldened China further.

Finally, the greatest inconsistency in New Delhi’s approach is the deep divide between its placatory, softly-softly approach towards China --- itself born of the harsh lesson of 1962 --- and the Indian citizen’s more robust suspicion of China’s motives and actions on the other. This gulf will ensure that any back-room settlement that is hammered out with China --- in the unlikely event that one is --- will simply not fly in this country. Indian officials must frankly reflect the national belief that China, after illegitimately occupying Tibet, occupies and covets Indian soil.

Zhongnanhai (the Beijing headquarters of the communist party and the executive government) can be expected to react with anger, given its deep insecurities about Tibet. But it will then have a motive to talk seriously about the boundary question.

New Delhi must note that top Chinese administrators in Lhasa already accuse India of malevolence in Tibet. Lao Daku, the chief of the feared Tibet Autonomous Region Public Security Bureau (TARPSB), declares in a Tibetan language internet article published in his name after his ground tour of Tibetan areas from July to September 2010: “The collusion between the Dalai Clique, splittist forces, internal and external, and hostile foreign forces is stronger than before…. India, our large neighbour and a developing country, is getting closer to the West day by day, and poses a new threat to our country’s security. India’s indulgence and harbouring of the Dalai Clique is undermining Tibet’s stability and development.”

As the common Indian would put it: “Munni to vaise bhi badnaam ho gayi.”

Even considering that Lao, a regional security chief, might paint a bleak picture of security in order to extract more resources from Beijing, his article vividly illustrates the historical Chinese paranoia about the empire crumbling from the fringes. Railing against the melding of separatism in Tibet, Xinjiang and Taiwan, Lao warns, “We can see how, with Western support, the [supporters of] Tibet independence, Xinjiang independence and Taiwan independence are acting crazy. If it is like that, there is a danger that these three causes will be combined.”

While Taiwan encompasses a different set of dynamics, Beijing regards Tibet as a far bigger problem than Xinjiang. This belief was reinforced by the 2008 uprising that sprang from Amdo one of traditional Tibet’s three provinces that now lies outside the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), mainly in Qinghai province, and which demographic transfers have converted into a Han-majority area.If even a “pacified” Amdo could erupt in rebellion argue the mandarins in Zhongnanhai, how do we deal with the remote reaches of Tibet that border on India? In contrast, the borders of Xinjiang have been effectively sealed through agreements with Pakistan and the Central Asian Republics, all of who function as Rottweilers for Beijing.

And so Beijing heaps greater repression upon Tibet, increasing Tibetan hostility. This is overlooked in New Delhi, where border policy is guided by the assumption of perpetual weakness. Beijing realises that its dramatic infrastructure development programme in Tibet, and the lightening march of People’s Liberation Army divisions to the Indian border all rest on very shaky foundations.it is time for Indian diplomats to treat Tibet as an asset, rather than as an embarrassment.
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Broadsword: Er… by the way, Tibet!

 

[Leviza]

India has finally started to act.... Now that Kashmir is out from the Disputed Territories List , I do not See any further debates On The Issue Of Kashmir from now on.... All Settled , Let the peace Prevail

even if its out of Disputed Territories List which i doubt ........
we are not leaving Kashmir and its on our list for sure...

UNO is a fail organization in keeping world peace

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India has been hosting our largest separatist group (Tibetan government "in exile") for over half a century.

So what are they trying to say here? That we should do the same?

 

[Paan Singh]

India has been hosting our largest separatist group (Tibetan government "in exile") for over half a century.

So what are they trying to say here? That we should do the same?

even tibetans here says that india is soft to china,india dont care abt us.while china is destroying our language and our culture.
watever it is,they have massive anger in their present generation also

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

even tibetans here says that india is soft to china,india dont care abt us.while china is destroying our language and our culture.
watever it is,they have massive anger in their present generation also

I'm talking about the thread topic.

India says that China should be sensitive to India's concerns in Kashmir, in the same way that India is "sensitive" to China's concerns in Tibet.

Since India hosted our largest separatist group (Tibetan government "in exile") for over half a century, does that mean India wants us to do the same to them with regards to Kashmir?

 

[Veeru]

Its very silly statement because Tibet is an independent country under illigal chinese occupation by force and Taiwan is a seprate country.

But Kashmir is legally and rightfully belongs to India.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Its very silly statement because Tibet is an independent country under illigal chinese occupation by force and Taiwan is a seprate country.

But Kashmir is legally and rightfully belongs to India.

So basically India is asking China to treat Kashmir in the same way that India treats Tibet.

According to your above statement, that would mean recognizing an Independent Kashmir. And giving support to any separatist groups that require it.

 

[Paan Singh]

I'm talking about the thread topic.

India says that China should be sensitive to India's concerns in Kashmir, in the same way that India is "sensitive" to China's concerns in Tibet.

Since India hosted our largest separatist group (Tibetan government "in exile") for over half a century, does that mean India wants us to do the same to them with regards to Kashmir?

oh my dear CD,

we have separatist group in our kashmir and we know pakistan is supporting them and we know how they supported it.

still their leaders live,and one of them got slap in chandigarh.
so u r free to do so.,its ur policy.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

so u r free to do so.,its ur policy.

I know that, I just find it curious that the Indian government seems to be asking us to do it.

 

[IND151]

@ Chinese-Dragon
I'm talking about the thread topic.

India says that China should be sensitive to India's concerns in Kashmir, in the same way that India is "sensitive" to China's concerns in Tibet.

Since India hosted our largest separatist group (Tibetan government "in exile") for over half a century, does that mean India wants us to do the same to them with regards to Kashmir?

read article posted by me post # 4.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

read article posted by me post # 4.

India has been interfering in Tibet for over half a century, ever since Nehru back stabbed us, by singing Hindi Chini bhai bhai, while hosting our largest separatist group immediately after they failed to overthrow the Chinese government.

India has already been playing the Tibet card for over half a century.

Now the Indian government is asking us to do the same with regards to Kashmir, well I think that is quite fair of them to ask.

 

[IND151]

every member kindly read article posted by me. post # 4. thanks in advance to every one!