India Supporting Taliban-US Intel Official

[jeypore]

maraetiny, ever heard of the saying "You scratch my back, and i will scratch yours"... and "The Enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Whilst there is little empirical or quantifiable evidence to support the theory that India has supported the Taliban in Pakistan (a proxy army, something our neighbours may have learnt from Kashmir Operations and interventions in Baluchistan.

With regards to Mumbai, sadly both governments played the underhand media game. Sad to say despite me being against the atrocities in India, our Neighbours constant mud slinging had completely put me off... I was recently reading an article titled "The Revenge Of The Near" by Sunil Khilnani. Now i often like Mr. Khilnani's work but this was simply atrocious... One quote "Indians are generally unwilling to address the problem of Pakistan head on, preferring to leave their nemesis to its chief paymaster and handler, Washington. "

How contradictory when he opens with the following: Urban Indians love the idea of a global, borderless world, where flows of trade and services trace virtual geographies.

Sadly, this is a mentality we cannot change. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the FIA (Federal Investigation Agency of Pakistan, Cyber Crime Wing) foiled multiple attempts to hack its website and computer networks within minutes of the interior ministry’s disclosure of its preliminary findings. FIA foils attempts to hack its website -DAWN - Top Stories; February 15, 2009

Anyway i leave it to you to draw your own conclusions from this drama.

Here is the link to the article if you would like to read it for yourself : Why Mumbai Wasn't India's 9/11 | Newsweek International Edition | Newsweek.com

Mr. Ranger after reading the article, what I formulate is Mr. Sunil Khilnani is just showing the anger and fraustrations that all Indian are feeling towards the mumbai attacks. He also show fraustration of terroriost activities being so close to Indian proximity compare to United states. And dealing with Pakistan as a country overall.

Case in point:

Pakistan has never been able to establish a normal pattern of governance or to assert sovereignty over its own territory. India's most urgent task will thus be to minimize the degree to which Pakistan can pose threats—to its neighbors, to Europe and the United States and, finally, to itself. That will require India to work more assertively with the West, and to work both with and—where necessary—against Pakistan

One quote "Indians are generally unwilling to address the problem of Pakistan head on, preferring to leave their nemesis to its chief paymaster and handler, Washington. "

Is it not the perception of the world let alone of Pakistanies, even recently the late payment made the headlines.

This is going off the tangent, but back to the topic. I believe it is plausible that India could be funding for proxy war with pakistan, especially baloch area, but it is very unlikely that they would for the taliban, like you have sujected. If any evidence would have been found the pakistan establishment would have played in the political arena gracefully, like they have done for the mumbai attacks. The true reason is that there is no evidence that links India with the taliban.

The author also gives example of graceful diplomacy:

Pakistan's leaders have thrived by two basic tactics: threatening that all will go to the dogs if they are ousted (Musharraf reaped rich rewards from the United States with this line) and pleading that the government is new and fragile and must be given a chance to get on course (the current line of President Asif Ali Zardari).

 

[Hasnain2009]

^^Head line of this news in english;
Intel. agencies helping militants, and Pak army cant fight with them

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There are so many other ways in which China or OIC punish India if they strongly believe Pakistan's case. But lets not argue over this, because we will be diverting from the topic at hand i.e. whether India supports Taliban or not.

They could, but then why should they put their neck on the line for Pakistan? The Arabs have never done that, on Kashmir for example, though we have towed their line on Israel and Palestine. The Chinese, like any other nation, will support Pakistan as far as it is in their interest. However they have a relationship with India independent of Pakistan's relationship with India, and the Sino-Indian relationship has improved tremendously over the last few years, so I fail to see on what basis Pakistan could expect other nations to act against their own interests?

'No permanent friends, only permanent interests' goes the adage, and quite true.

Can you please give me a link to the ISSA report? Apart from the report in first post(which is according to anonymous official), I have yet to find evidence that you keep harping about that India does indeed support the Taliban. Please do not bring Balochistan into this, because I am not well informed about Balochistan to have an opinion. If you want to present evidence about Balochistan, then change the title of this thread to India supports terrorism in Balochistan or India supports terrorism in Pakistan and then may be make your case. My main issue is with your claim that India supports Taliban which Pakistan has evidence for and has covertly presented it to US. This I find absurd for so many reasons.

Please look through the thread - I had assumed you had read it. The link was posted along with the relevant excerpt. If you haven't read the thread then I fail to see why arguments already made should be rehashed for your sake.

Secondly, you mentioned the 'South Asia expert' as part of your argument against the intelligence official quoted in this article. His comments on Baluchistan were part of his 'rebuttal' and are important in that they confirm Indian support for terrorism in Baluchistan, which makes the argument indicating Indian support for terrorism in the North West more valid, since Indian motive and intent to destabilize Pakistan through terrorism is then established.

 

[Hasnain2009]

Every defence annalyst of india clearly says ot T.V that we should aid Balochistan liberation army for liberation, bcoz of Gawadar port!! U can easily check that!! And can any indian tell me, what are these dozens of indian embassies doing in Afghanistan??

 

[Bull]

I simple fail to understand why GoP fails to raise this issue in public. If Pakistan can atleast let the domestic audience digest this, the support for Taliban if any among the muslims would vanish.

How can they support the Taliban thats funded and helped by Hindustan?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I simple fail to understand why GoP fails to raise this issue in public. If Pakistan can atleast let the domestic audience digest this, the support for Taliban if any among the muslims would vanish.

How can they support the Taliban thats funded and helped by Hindustan?

Bull,

If you read posts by pashtun, waraich and others, you will realize that most of them have attributed the more horrible violence to Indian influenced actors, and argue that the 'real taliban' are not behind such acts.

 

[hembo]

It all makes sense.

Which Muslim would take other Muslim bodies out of the grave and hang them in the tree?

Which Muslim would bomb a Mosque, every Muslim knows that there is the Holy Quran in every Mosque.

Taliban in Afghanistan were not doing these things in Afghanistan (pre-9/11).

The people behind all these terrible acts are Hindu Indians not Muslims.

According to your theory here, perhaps the HINDU INDIANS are behind Iraq and all other Muslim Nation's civil wars as well. Good one.

It is impossible for India to support Talibans as India wouldn't want "Nuclear capable" Pakistan to fall to some pre-historic religious fanatics. At least that much sanctity is left amongst the jokers called politicians on both sides. Or this inteligent forum thinks even that is gone. That sure will be a doomsday!!

 

[Bull]

Bull,

If you read posts by pashtun, waraich and others, you will realize that most of them have attributed the more horrible violence to Indian influenced actors, and argue that the 'real taliban' are not behind such acts.

Frankly speaking i havnt read those posts, read selected guys post and then try replying.

Anyways with regards to Indian support to Taliban, i guess thats highly unlikely. NWFP is an area where PA has found it hard to hold on its own because of Taliban, conveys were ambushed with precision, informers killed. Doesnt this mean the Taliban has a well laid out humna intel in NWFP, how can some miscreants work between Taliban and PA. Or is it possible?

 

[saudikiller]

Yes India should support the Pakistani Taliban - like Pakistan it too should learn to run with the hare and hunt with the hound. Indiaś support to the Pakistani Taliban suits its interests. Firstly, the security forces get demoralised and there is confusion among friends and foes amongst combatants and their commanders and planners.

Secondly, it should secretly support the Swat peace deal because it effectively gives these people an officially sanctioned territory where all such jihadis can be shepherded into if necessary. You see states and professional armies always prefer fighting for territory (either to be gained or to be won back and not people or "non-state/stateless actors") and exert their dominance. Remember it was easy to defeat the Al-Qaeda/Taliban in Afghanistan as they had a state - but it is difficult to defeat them when they are fighting a guerrilla war in similar territory. Once the locations of these people are known within a defined territorial space it is much easier to target with drones.

Thirdly, it suits India if i this process a Greater Afghanistan or at the very minimum a de-facto Pashtunistan is established in the NWFP and FATA through consolidation of diverse groups under a single banner.

Fourthly, despite realizing the grave danger of militant Islam that these people pose to India if they are empowered further, it pays off in a different way. Since independence the migrant UP?Bihari muslims in Pakistan resented the Punjabi-Afghan "martial-race" solidarity and axis. This presents a wonderful opportunity to break the back of the Pakistani Army by increasing ethnic divisions between Punjabis and Afghans. This had proved a tough nut to crack during the 80s and 90s as they were firmly united. By wrenching apart these two core ethnicities of Pakistani Army the ability to weaken the rest is much easier. Pakistan is more of a Punjab and Colonies/Dependencies as Bangladesh, Pakhtunistan, Baluchistan and Sindh experiences demonstrate. Ask any Pathan, Sindhi, Balochi or Punjabi about who should get the nuclear weapons if by providence Pakistan breaks-up. When the Soviet Union broke up Russia inherited UNSC seat and signed treaties with Ukraine Belarus and Kazakhstan to get back nuclear weapons. Will Sindh , Baluchistan give up their Nuclear plants, warheads and missiles if Punjab claims to inherit Pakistanś nukes weapons and facilites??

So considering all the above India should support Pak Taliban.

 

[S-2]

A fascinating perspective that's sure to raise a few hackles here.

You really should check into the member's introduction thread at the top of the main discussion board and share a bit about yourself.

It'll help to better guage the perspective from which these thoughts eminate.

Thanks.

 

[Contrarian]

Too Many Secrets....


The past week was by all accounts a momentous one, as no less a person than former Pakistani President and former Chief of the Army Staff, Gen (Ret'd) Pervez Musharraf, assertively disclosed what has been a 'no-go' area for India's mainstream media and the otherwise hyper-ventilating broadcast media thus far: that India's Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) has, since 2002, waged a highly successful covert war against Pakistan by actively rendering all kinds of financial assistance to Balochistan-based separatists.

But mind you, such covert warfare has not been waged by the Research & Analysis Wing (RAW), but by the tri-services DIA and Afghanistan's Riyast-i-Amniyat-i-Milli, and in addition to his routine assignment as India's Defence Adviser at the Embassy in Kabul, Brigadier Ravi Datt Mehta was officially dolling out huge financial assistance--as ordered by the DIA--to the Baloch separatists as and when required.

For the past one year such activities being undertaken by the DIA wer, in fact, openly discussed by both serving and retired senior military officials at both the Armed Forces Gymkhana and the United Services Institution within the National Capital Region. It, therefore, did not come as a great surprise to South Block when Brig Mehta was specifically targetted for assassination by the Pakistan Army's Peshawar-based 324 Military Intelligence Battalion .

This in many ways is reminiscent of the era ranging from the mid-1980s and early 1990s during which RAW had succeeded in gaining the trust of what would later morph into the Northern Alliance. In fact, by 1986, despite India's official recognition of the then Soviet-backed Afghan regime led by Dr Najibullah, India had begun extending medical assistance to the guerrilla forces led by the legendary leader Ahmad Shah Massoud and as a consequence of this, one wing of the All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS) was completely cordoned off by South Block and it was there that all those Mujahideen wounded in battle while fighting the Soviets under Massoud's leadership received the urgent medical attention that they deserved. So impressed was the Northern Alliance by India's humanitarian assistance that this relationship, at first opportunity, got elevated to a higher level when, in the early 1990s after the breakup of the USSR, the Northern Alliance succeeded in securing Tajikistan's approval for an Indian Army-run field hospital to be established at Farkhor.

Last week also saw BrahMos Aerospace successfully test-firing the Block 2 version of the BrahMos supersonic multi-role cruise missile's land attack variant. But here again, India's mainstream media failed to illustrate what has thus far been a severe shortcoming for both BrahMos Aerospace and the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO): there are NO available firing ranges in India that can host test-firings of surface-to-surface or air-to-surface battlefield support missiles (like the BrahMos or Prithvi SS-150/SS-250) out to their maximum range envelopes! The firing range at Pokhran where such missiles are routinely test-fired, measures at most 58km and that too after two villages have been temporarily evacuated, even though the DRDO has been pleading with the MoD since the late 1990s for making available a firing range that can support missile firings out to 100km over land.

Yet another revelation for me last week was an update on the launch status of the nuclear-powered Advanced Technology Vehicle (ATV): the new Project Director has, rightly, adopted a cautious attitude towards advancing the launch-date of the hull by conducting a thorough and controlled 'flushing' of the ATV's complex network of steam piping associated with the vessel's BHEL-built heat exchanger, which had previously proved to be quite problematic. In addition, the new-design vertical silo for housing a yet-to-be-available 8,500km-range submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) is now being removed from the ATV's hull as the priority is to--as part of the ATV's multi-phase sea trials schedule--firstly, establish the ATV's hull integrity under operational conditions, and secondly, to establish the functional maturity of the ATV's nuclear propulsion system.

Only after these two milestones have been achieved that the weaponisation phase will be put to effect. The Govt of India's Cabinet Committee on National Security last January decided to accord only 'conditional & on principal' approval for constructing two ATV-derived vessels: one being the SSBN and the other being the escorting SSN.--Prasun K. Sengupta

Coming up soon: how the Indian Navy recently saved the Scorpene SSK project from being scuttled by the already-concluded investigations into allegations of corruptions, and how exactly the 'agents' involved with the deal and their principals succeeded in legally covering up their tracks and skirting around the 'Integrity Clause' that was integral to the procurement contract.

TRISHUL: Too Many Secrets....

 

[sergente rehan]

Dude everybody knows that India is supporting terrorism in Pakistan, it's may not support Afghan Talibans but the truth is (n u indians also know it very well) that India major goal is to destabilize Pakistan (India is trying to destroy Pakistan from past 60 years) this is a golden oportunity for him to achieve his goals! how do you explain all those consulates along the Pak-Afghan border? they are useless if they are not used against Pakistan. raw is funding diffrent terrorist groups and these consulates gives them logistic supports and funds! Pakistan already caught diffrent terrorists n they admit that a person (i don't remember this Raw agent name) from indian consulate paid them to bring terrorist attacks in diffrent Pakistani cities...these are facts not rumors!

 

[PeacefulIndian]

Dude everybody knows that India is supporting terrorism in Pakistan, it's may not support Afghan Talibans but the truth is (n u indians also know it very well) that India major goal is to destabilize Pakistan (India is trying to destroy Pakistan from past 60 years) this is a golden oportunity for him to achieve his goals! how do you explain all those consulates along the Pak-Afghan border? they are useless if they are not used against Pakistan. raw is funding diffrent terrorist groups and these consulates gives them logistic supports and funds! Pakistan already caught diffrent terrorists n they admit that a person (i don't remember this Raw agent name) from indian consulate paid them to bring terrorist attacks in diffrent Pakistani cities...these are facts not rumors!

To make it a true post -
1. Replace India by Pakistan.
2. Replace Pakistan by India
3.Replace RAW by ISI.

Then you have the real story.

 

[sergente rehan]

if i do such replacements it will become one of the fake indian media reports on the situation in tribal areas!
your replys shows that you didn't accept that India is not an angel, it's not violating any international law n it's don't seem to be interested in destabilizing/destroying Pakistan n it's obviously spending millions of dollars in helping poor Afghans n for this it have to operate diffrent consulates along the Pak-Afghan border....am i correct?!
i forget to mention that India also loves Pakistan...i mean Balouch so it's funding diffrent blaouchs and heping them to build Balouchistan n they r also investing money in NWFP! atthis spot i must thanks indian goverment for all it's efforts but my question is why india so interested in constructing Pakistan raher to build it's own provinces??!
come on dude be a bit realistic...India hates Pakistan we both know it very well, now with this golden oportunity in indian hads to engage Pakistan from the both sides n with the cover up of Afghan terrorists n Pakistani talibans it's using all the resources to destabilize and weaken Pakistan because it's quite impossible for India to face Pakistan in a direct conflict (open battle field) because there is a serious threat of a Nuclear war between both countries!

 

[sergente rehan]

beside all this Pakistan is not playing any role in destabilizing India because we haven't got enough time to waste with it! we have to focus on our interne problems n counter foreign involvements. we have diffrent problems but once we fix them obviously india have to pay for all that they have done in these last few years n then maybe i'll post a comment that you ask to me!
hope that one day peace returns in thgis region because war is not the solution but unfortunatly there r too much powers involved in all this...too much interests...