India stole intellectual rights on Bangladeshi tradition

[roach]

I would say that the intellectual ownership of the things mentioned in this thread is nebulous and hazy at best. It is impossible to rationally debate and come to one conclusion or the other.

Please understand 'Pragmatism' and 'First come first served'.

The early bird gets the worm. If you are looking for sympathy because your government was napping while Indian organizations snapped up the rights to something that was at best disputed, that's just too bad. Blame them and not us. Make no mistake, business is war where jobs, not people, die.

Wake up and smell the chai.

 

[Pride]

^ But BD is not belong to you then they why you are claiming our iRights?

BD does not belong to us but we have same shared traditions which is historically enlisted in Indian scriptures and currently in practice to our state. How it became BD's iRights?

In India, Even Persian carpets are manufactured but we never ever claim it's iRights?

 

[Skies]

Come On Skies, You are logical thinker I know. We share same culture and tradition and this is acceptable but if you say historically and practically, you fail on both the grounds as historically it is claimed in Indian books and practically it is still under manufacturing in Indian Bengal.

Then would you agree (just suppose) that both IN and BD together can claim those iRights? Tell.

 

[Pride]

Then would you agree (just suppose) that both IN and BD together can claim those iRights? Tell.

Yes that is logical, For the same you can ask your government to negotiate to GoI. In case of failure of talk you can move to international court. I have no objection on that.

 

[Skies]

why didn't you claim your rights?Who stopped you?You can still try to win back your rights.They are called intellectual rights for a reason.

Do you think if BD claims your iRights then we will get that? No- it has to be proven that BD invented or discovered those - the basis of claim for iRights.

Now tell, did India invented those Nakshi katha, Jamdani sari and fazli mango at first?

BD does not belong to us but we have same shared traditions which is historically enlisted in Indian scriptures and currently in practice to our state. How it became BD's iRights?

In India, Even Persian carpets are manufactured but we never ever claim it's iRights?

Sharing same tradition and origin of some thing are not same. As you are claiming that these are enlisted in Indian history books does not mean those had the origin in Indian states. Detail and clear info are needed to prove that those really originated in India. And in that case BD needs to fight in court to beat IN as we are already late.

 

[Pride]

Do you think if BD claims your iRights then we will get that? No- it has to be proven that BD invented or discovered those - the basis of claim for iRights.

Now tell, did India invented those Nakshi katha, Jamdani sari and fazli mango at first?

Skies, Let me ask you a quick qn. Did anyone of these came up after 1971 or were part of century old bengali tradition?

 

[KingOfGods]

Hindustan is worth nothing if we take our the contribution of Islamic and British dynasty.

Home to the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation and a region of historic trade routes and vast empires, the Indian subcontinent was identified with its commercial and cultural wealth for much of its long history. Four major religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism originated here, while Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam arrived in the first millennium CE and shaped the region's diverse culture.

• The World's first university was established in Takshila in 700BC. more than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
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• Although modern images of India often show poverty and lack of development, India was the richest country on earth until the time of British invasion in the early 17th Century.
• The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000 years ago. (you can claim that too now )The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit 'Nou'.
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• The earliest recorded use of copperware in India has been around 3000 B.C. the findings at Mohen-jo-daro and Harappa, bear this out The earliest documented observation of smelting of metals in India is by Greek Historians in the 4th Century B.C.
• According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source for diamonds to the world.
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Hindus has nothing to offer to the world.

Considering whatever is essentially necessary for the humanity, out of that, which is the thing left out that the Hindu has not given to the mankind in the world?

The Hindu has not only given knowledge, wisdom, ethics and morality to the humanity, they have also given them the right direction for evolution and perfection of life in all its facets.

Most of the above listed inventions and creations were of the Hindu period of India. Most of them belongs to Hindu's.

 

[Skies]

Skies, Let me ask you a quick qn. Did anyone of these came up after 1971 or were part of century old bengali tradition?

Those were part of our local history, not whole India. So we can claim more ...........ly.

 

[Pride]

Do you think if BD claims your iRights then we will get that? No- it has to be proven that BD invented or discovered those - the basis of claim for iRights.

Now tell, did India invented those Nakshi katha, Jamdani sari and fazli mango at first?




Sharing same tradition and origin of some thing are not same. As you are claiming that these are enlisted in Indian history books does not mean those had the origin in Indian states. Detail and clear info is needed to prove that those really originated in India.

Are you kidding or logically discussing with me? If Jamdani Saree is mentioned in 3rd AD's Kautilya's books as mentioned by idune in second page and there are only 2 nations (India and BD) claiming it then it belongs to either of them. Mentioning to some stuff in in Scriptures shows that these things existed in Indian even before a new nation/culture/region/religion born and hence it gives us logical upright to claim the same.

As I mentioned above manufacturing of something does not allow to claim the same as in case of Persian Carpet.

 

[Pride]

Those were part of our local history.

Here 'Our' is very dynamic, Before 1947 you were Indian, from 47-71 you were East Pakistani and From 1971 onwards you are Bangladeshi. Hence logically claiming for iRights belongs to all three part of history. iRights is something which is originated by someone and others are using it without even giving something to original designer or creator. If Jamdani Saree, Nakshi Kantha and Fazli Mango were not developed in India then Claim was yours but if they in anyways are still in practice in India then it belongs to us being Indians.

 

[Bhairava]

This is kinda right as we have poor ambition - we are not as aware of these things as you are

Not our problem...

but historically and practically those iRights belong to us not India.

what history you are speaking of. mate??...
Historically you were all Hindus and part of our country.
So these belongs to us as much it belongs to you...

BTW Werent you the one who was saying the other day that you dont want anything related to Hindu or Hindu culture in your Bangladesh?

So why suddenly this affinity.?

 

[LadyGaga]

Excellent post.And i want to add that all this happened when there was Hinduism in this sub continent.So all those lambasting Hindus,remember,digest,accept,and move on.

Considering whatever is essentially necessary for the humanity, out of that, which is the thing left out that the Hindu has not given to the mankind in the world?

The Hindu has not only given knowledge, wisdom, ethics and morality to the humanity, they have also given them the right direction for evolution and perfection of life in all its facets.

Most of the above listed inventions and creations were of the Hindu period of India. Most of them belongs to Hindu's.



How many Lal Quila's or Taj's you created or new cloths like Sherwani you invented since 14 Aug, 1947???

I am amaged, in the age of Computers and Internet, you are still claiming the BS, which you were taught in your history classes in madrasas!!!

What do you think (if you can), why they call India the “Crown Jewel” of the British Empire? Why Christopher Columbus, Vasco Da Gama, and many others like them started their voyages.............to find Lal Quila or Taj.........or to learn how to take measurements a Sherwani?

Yes, you can say that Indians didn't give much of the materialistic things to the world.........but at an intellectual level, only China can came close to us. But to understand this, you need a maturity which came only after many thousands years' existance. And from that prospective, you are just born!!!

 

[Skies]

Here 'Our' is very dynamic, Before 1947 you were Indian, from 47-71 you were East Pakistani and From 1971 onwards you are Bangladeshi. Hence logically claiming for iRights belongs to all three part of history. iRights is something which is originated by someone and others are using it without even giving something to original designer or creator. If Jamdani Saree, Nakshi Kantha and Fazli Mango were not developed in India then Claim was yours but if they in anyways are still in practice in India then it belongs to us being Indians.

Here 'our' is not dynamic but specific. We are talking about our indigenous people and history. Indian, East Pakistani and Bangladeshi is irrelivent here.

 

[Iggy]

Lord!! these people have serious identity crisis..in another thread most of the Bangladesh members were saying they have nothing to do with Bengali culture and secularism will destroy their proud Islamic culture and Jana was acting like a cheer leader and encouraging them..now they are fighting for a saree..Make up your mind,what you want?Islamic culture or Bengali culture??

As for the lady here there is nothing to say...continue to cheer them

 

[Pride]

Here 'our' is not dynamic but specific. We are talking about our indigenous people and history. Indian, East Pakistani and Bangladeshi is irrelivent here.

This is Identity associated question as what you think yourself as a part of history as you are claiming something part of Indian history.

Even if I go by your logic then our claim becomes more strong as Hindu Indians were using this skills which migrated to West Bengal during Partition hence you dont hold any authority to even manufacture it. Remember except Fazli Mango rest are Sanskrit derived names.