India should take the responsibility of unrest in South Asia

[Peshwa]

Haider missed one more State terrorism in the region by India and that is creation of LTTE and Indian terrorism in Sri Lanka

Why count each others dirty laundry when you yourself are covered in mud!!

Besides.....all the finger pointing seems to be a Pakistani phenomenon only....nobody else seems to care or blame us...

Even the Sri-Lankans seem to not care much for it.....looks like LTTE affected Pakistan more than Sri-Lanka ..LOL!!!

 

[Peshwa]

Where are you when American failed and put all the pressure and responsibility on Pakistan for this "WOT failure" ? lol

I can only defend my own country.....

You can take up the matter with the Americans....

 

[su-47]

Just a very simple argument. Today mistrust started from three reasons.
1. Bangladesh meddling. State sponsored terrorism and backing the Bangladeshi rebel groups.

2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, root cause of Kargil war.

3. Kashmir and Water.

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan. So, dry Pakistan. When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams, it adopt the natural path, which ends up in Pakistan. Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood. So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.
Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.
Let put aside Kashmir issue, its already has separate section. Also put aside Baluchistan meddling.
The above three issues are proven one.

P.S, If these issues were not their, then any democratic govt of Pakistan would have reason to cut down defence budget and put foot in the mouth to those organization who been form in the name of Kashmir unrest.

HAIDER, India might have trust deficit with its neighbors, but thats something we are working on. Every year we help Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar and Bhutan, despite being a poor country ourselves. Hell, we even send aid to Palestine and offered aid to Pakistan. so its not like we are not trying.

look at how trade between India and china has grown, and our trust deficit has decreased, compared to the 80s and 90s. Progress is made when parties want to discuss. Pakistan has repeatedly refused to address issue of terrorism.

as for your comments, they are quite baseless. No one has accused Indian dams for these floods. The entire flooding was caused by heavy rainfall. Just look at the precipitation levels. And Indian dams don't have high storage capacity. they are mainly run-off dams for electricity generation purposes. so the dams CANT cause the floods. What caused so much damage from these floods was your lack of dams. ask any expert.

As for Indian consulates, there are only 5 of them, and they are there to oversee Indian construction and aid projects. Thats why they ahvent been kicked out yet. I fwe were using them to harm USA's WoT ally and make them less effective, USA would have kicked us out of Afghanistan before we can say "TTP"

Its not India who needs to take responsibility, but each and every nation. Its easier to close your eyes and just blame someone else for your failures. But then those failures will never be addressed.

Make an effort. Try see things as they are.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

LeT = BLA

Taliban founders = Nawab Bugti

ISI = Raw

Terrorism in Kashmir = LOL

Bomb plots in NYK =

Blast in UK in bus = UK Citizens, born and bread in UK

and lots other things

He was being sarcastic

 

[BATMAN]

Just a very simple argument. Today mistrust started from three reasons.
1. Bangladesh meddling. State sponsored terrorism and backing the Bangladeshi rebel groups.

2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, root cause of Kargil war.

3. Kashmir and Water.

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan. So, dry Pakistan. When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams, it adopt the natural path, which ends up in Pakistan. Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood. So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.
Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.
Let put aside Kashmir issue, its already has separate section. Also put aside Baluchistan meddling.
The above three issues are proven one.

P.S, If these issues were not their, then any democratic govt of Pakistan would have reason to cut down defence budget and put foot in the mouth to those organization who been form in the name of Kashmir unrest.

fully agree but it should not be a surprise for us and we were suppose to prepare our selves well or respond on even terms... Alas PPP and noon league always failed us.

1- PPP handed out the list of Khalistan leaders who asked Pakistan for moral support.

2- N.Sharif, gave it all in Kargil in exchange for a photo with US president... which he never will have a chance otherwise.

3- We should take up matter of illegal dam building and water releasing and blocking with international court of justice... if i remember Musharraf did it but zardari govt. took kick back and closed the case.

4- We should also build water dams.

In all above 4 listed items it is Pakistan which failed, it self.

 

[TIBERIUMMAN]

i totally agree brother but where will we find the kin of leadership needed for this dont u think it is a bit too ambitious......we plan too much but on the ground do nothing.....we say we will build dams and india and china are already building them.........

 

[Peshwa]

LeT = BLA

Taliban founders = Nawab Bugti

ISI = Raw

Terrorism in Kashmir = LOL

Bomb plots in NYK =

Blast in UK in bus = UK Citizens, born and bread in UK

and lots other things

Corrections.....

LET: UN Banned Terrorist org...Responsible for international terror plots......
BLA: Pales in comparison.....
Try again....

Taliban Founders: Nurtured by Pakistanis....cause for several atrocities, including the demise of an entire nation Afghanistan)

Nawab Bugti: Self proclaimed leader of the Bugti Tribe.....executed by the Pakistani army....cause for the formation of BLA and mass unrest...

ISI = RAW.....Both external intelligence agencies of respective country....Both on 2 ends of the spectrum as far as activities go....

Terrorism in Kashmir = Pakistan's inability to match India in conventional war

Not sure who has the last laugh....but pretty hilarious nevertheless

 

[airuah]

Few important issues people should know, Why Afghanistan and India are very friendly to help the flood victim.
First reason is River Kabul. When flooded rivers of Afghanistan drained toward Pakistan. Plus Indian are already building dam in Afghanistan. So, dry Pakistan.

there is no sense in your reasoning here ....let me explain
if the rivers of afganistan flood, the most logical option to reduce flooding would be to build a dam, and india is doing that in afganistan probably not to stop your flooding but to help afganistan with irrgatiion and electricity. if flooding is your problem then why does pakistan not build dams ? even if we plan on drying pakistan wont the dams(if you build any) help since you will be having some water already stored in it.?
if pakistan had built damo post the following comment
When overflow Pakistani people will pay the price.
the above only shows that you cannot face your own shortcomings and you find it easy to blame some one else -like some here who blamed HAARP......

Second, all major rivers originates from Kashmir and has natural flow toward Pakistan. India built " unnatural dams". (Example of recent destruction in Skardu and surrounding, when flood water first day destruction was, annihilation of 60 villages and loss of 13 people) Technically when the water overflows from these dams

what are you saying by your above statement,do you think that if these dams were not present water flow will not increse? have you even thought about anything when you posted this statement?

Plus India is only taking a responsibility to inform Pakistan, not taking the share of flood.

you want 80 % of water ...we allow that into your country, how can india be affected if the water is flowing into your country which is downstream and india does not inform pakistan. all the dams that are built across rivers suppling pakistan are not dams that store water but ones used for producing electricity-your country took care of that (and why should india "share" the flood anyway?-does this statement make any sense to you ....if so please tell me)

So, Pakistan receive the water destruction and Indian farmers and their land is always safe.

if you want pakistan to be safe from floods -i have an idea-buy a thousand helicopters or so and try to change the geographical location of pakistan. see if you can place your country some where in europe-you can become a part of the european union then

Not yet touch the issue of 18 consulates of Indian along Pak border. Where no trade and no visa. 18 consulates mean issuing atleast 2000 visa to afghans.

what has indians giving visa to afgans to do with pakistan? is india giving pakistani visas?



P.S, If these issues were not their, then any democratic govt of Pakistan would have reason to cut down defence budget and put foot in the mouth to those organization who been form in the name of Kashmir unrest.

democratic govt of pakistan? really do you trust yur present govt?how many pakistani people here trust the current govt elected democratically by you?

cut the defence budget? are you nuts? your military has factories of its own, all the earnings of which go to it ......and what chances are there that a coup will not take place if the govt decided to reduce defence budget? and which military regime in pakistan has respected the authority of the elected govt? as far as the world see it , it is a seperate entity of its own..

 

[Jackdaws]

India has the big bro problem in the region - like America has in the world. All the other states are on India's periphery and with the exception of Myanmar(Burma) are very dependent on India for a lot of stuff - aid, water, military help if needed, infrastructure help if needed etc. This will obviously create some friction. Some citizens are unhappy with India's big brother role in these countries, some are happy and most are indifferent. If a Sri Lankan citizen can make cheaper phone calls on an AirTel connection than on a local Sri Lankan connection - do you really think he cares? The people of Bhutan love India. The treatment meted out to Indian tourists in Sri Lanka is stunning - its like we treat the phirangs in India - they literally roll out the red carpet. The Banglas are evenly divided. We helped the Maldives thwart a coup. The Nepalis and Indians can walk into each others' countries without much of a fuss. Now compare this to the guys you share a border with. Pakistan shares a border with India, Afghanistan and Iran. Which of these countries do you actually have a warm relationship with? India and Afghanistan everyone knows about. With Iran supporting the Tajik Northern Alliance and the Sunni Shia conflict in Pakistan, your relations with Iran have either been frosty or lukewarm. Just putting things in perspective.

 

[sssss]

What wrong did India do?
One simple answer:Grew rapidly,modernized military and rose its status in the world.
Result:Some jealous a$$es surrounding us are found burning.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

Corrections.....

LET: UN Banned Terrorist org...Responsible for international terror plots......
BLA: Pales in comparison.....
Try again....

Taliban Founders: Nurtured by Pakistanis....cause for several atrocities, including the demise of an entire nation Afghanistan)

Nawab Bugti: Self proclaimed leader of the Bugti Tribe.....executed by the Pakistani army....cause for the formation of BLA and mass unrest...

ISI = RAW.....Both external intelligence agencies of respective country....Both on 2 ends of the spectrum as far as activities go....

Terrorism in Kashmir = Pakistan's inability to match India in conventional war

Not sure who has the last laugh....but pretty hilarious nevertheless

Terrorism in Kashmir

LOL Give it a rest please!

ISI = RAW.....Both external intelligence agencies of respective country....Both on 2 ends of the spectrum as far as activities go....

Yeah, yeah.. Butter wounldnt melt in your mouth, right? ISI = RAW =

Nawab Bugti: Self proclaimed leader of the Bugti Tribe.....executed by the Pakistani army....cause for the formation of BLA and mass unrest...

Executed? Or eliminated? So this comes back to "one mans freedom fighter, another man's terrorist"...So much for inpartiality

Taliban Founders: Nurtured by Pakistanis....cause for several atrocities, including the demise of an entire nation Afghanistan)

Hahaha... You serious? So where was the CIA, Where was Saudi Arabia? And when Afghanistan was destroyed why didn't you show concern then, why do you do so now? Where were you when Afghanistan was labelled toilet of Asia?

LET: UN Banned Terrorist org...Responsible for international terror plots...... BLA: Pales in comparison.....

Do a body count of how many let killed and how many BLA killed, then come back to me...

 

[Delhi]

LOL Give it a rest please!



Yeah, yeah.. Butter wounldnt melt in your mouth, right? ISI = RAW =



Executed? Or eliminated? So this comes back to "one mans freedom fighter, another man's terrorist"...So much for inpartiality



Hahaha... You serious? So where was the CIA, Where was Saudi Arabia? And when Afghanistan was destroyed why didn't you show concern then, why do you do so now? Where were you when Afghanistan was labelled toilet of Asia?





Do a body count of how many let killed and how many BLA killed, then come back to me...

you cant justify title of this thread but we can justify same think for you from neutral source.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

you cant justify title of this thread but we can justify same think for you from neutral source.

Yes we can... It's OUR forum.

Here are some self help steps for you, to avoid you frothing at the mouth!
Step 1: Get off your high horse.

Step 2: Accept the reality that is facing your country in Kashmir and stop blaming it on Pakistan.

KK, THanks and Buh Bye!

 

[Delhi]

Yes we can... It's OUR forum.

Here are some self help steps for you, to avoid you frothing at the mouth!
Step 1: Get off your high horse.

Step 2: Accept the reality that is facing your country in Kashmir and stop blaming it on Pakistan.

KK, THanks and Buh Bye!

Bro i can reply to you by very good answer . but yes its your forum and .......

 

[LadyGaga]

Fear psychosis can really destroy a country.I can see this from this very revealing thread.How do you treat somebody who doesn't accept that he has a problem though?Any psychologist will tell you,that the will to change has to come from within.