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India Should Keep Pakistan Embroiled and Draw it Into An Arm's Race

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This is stating the obvious, though I'd just add exploiting the fault lines that are just beginning to appear.

Pak has a fragile economy, much smaller than India; combine that with their delusion of parity with us and any increase in India's budget spending will cause havoc to their finances as they scurry to pretend to keep up. Soft loans and credit lines from the two owners will only go so far.

We should actually get the Russians to sell them mostly inconsequential or relatively outdated stuff for hard cash. :enjoy:

By the way, this is also the reason that there will not be any real peace even if Kashmir was somehow settled. India will continue t invest more and more in our defense and offensive capability. Pak will think its for them and to prevent Indian "hegemony", they'll too try to arm up. Its almost cute.
This delusion is keeping you at bay, you have no balls to cross the border, except killing innocent civilians.
 
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You think anyone takes Pak claims seriously when you refused to take you own soldier's bodies? :disagree:
really what about the family's of those soldiers (of india) who still don't know whether they are alive or dead after kargil and to whom your military doesn't repond to ?????
 
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This delusion is keeping you at bay, you have no balls to cross the border, except killing innocent civilians.

Yes, you showed those when your country was cut in half.

Seriously, you guys never learn. That's fine with us. :enjoy:
 
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Obviously everything in IAF inventory has to be out of this world, , in fact such terms as Invincible, untouchable. Rapptor of the East can only be created by Indians for something which doesn't even a single name sake kill to it's name. Have you thought of some fancy terminologies for your next generation Tejas, you can post fancy videos but like PAF, do you have the confidence to fly your single engine aircraft to the other side of the world, let alone over the parade venue.
I know it's hard for your kind to digest but see if you can comprehend the write ups by International observers on JF-17's recent performance in Paris. And for the so called limited load nonsense, rub these on your wounds.

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gues what jammer bhiyye india is already testing new variant of LCA with indian made AESA radar and a new gen EW suite and self protection jammers + weare already testingLCA and intigrating it with latest Derby ER

I-Derby ER – All New Performance | Paris Air Show 2015 content from Aviation Week

Ps.....please read the last parra :D

now with Derby ER on most of its fighter LCAs & MKIs its gonna be a happy duck...err viper & thunder shooting season for us :D
 
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really what about the family's of those soldiers (of india) who still don't know whether they are alive or dead after kargil and to whom your military doesn't repond to ?????

They are welcome to approach the courts, if such cases exist.
 
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I'm too dumb....and you've made me curious. Explain it in detail...pls. :)

Not here :) its a state policy. I can only say this. US, China, India, and Pakistan will come very close if CPEC happens, and India and US are just waiting for it.

The west is not going to loose a trillion dollar reinsurance business to a mere $ 46 billion that challenges it.
And China is not going to leave the game whether it can afford or not. India otoh gets a ground to play the Chinese and make Pak resources drain. Guess who will support India?

I will make you curious again, why Chahabar is ietting delayed, do you think we have shortage of funds when we are pumping $ 5 billion in a god forsaken land and dont have money for a bluddy port?
 
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Yes, you showed those when your country was cut in half.

Seriously, you guys never learn. That's fine with us. :enjoy:
That part was thousands of miles away, yes we still miss that, still if you have balls try crossing the border, see how much you learn.
 
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your statement proves you are in arms race

Are you worried?

This is our money and whether we burn it or buy some "cheap toys" to feel good is our problem, none of indian concern. :big_boss:

Agreed?
 
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A Pakistani author made the same point a few days back:

India, Pakistan, again
Cyril Almeida — Published Jun 14, 2015 06:16am

FORGET the loons and the kooks, the puff-chested braggarts and the incorrigible denialists, and ask yourself this: what is the Pak-India relationship really about?

At its core, as defined in the present era, stripped of hype and hyperbole, denuded of posturing and silliness, what is it that Pakistan and India need of each other in strategic terms?

Not trade, not normalisation, none of the aspirational stuff — what can the two of them simply not ignore about the other?

For India, it’s pretty straightforward: avoid another Mumbai. That means, can’t ignore the anti-India lot, LeT and the like, sloshing around in Pakistan.

From an Indian perspective, anti-India militancy in Pakistan has to be the baseline — no state, government or security establishment can possibly ignore it. Nor should they. Nor will they.

For Pakistan, you have to probe a little more, but it comes into view all right. It’s not Kashmir, at least not Kashmir in the conventional sense described here.

The K-boat sailed a long time ago and nothing more will be wrested, at the negotiating table or on the battlefield, than roughly the four-point solution of the Mush era.

So, unfinished business or not, what we’re lectured about or not, Kashmir is hardly a strategic core, whose presence or absence directly determines the very course of the country.

At most Kashmir is an institutional core — allowing the boys to justify their exalted status and internal predominance.

So, what then? It’s the Indian war machine, specifically, its conventional capabilities. It’s the only thing that’s unsustainable — the threat of a chasm between the conventional capabilities of the two countries.

The Kashmir dispute we can sustain, water we can probably keep squabbling over, no-trade status we can continue, people-to-people contact we can ignore, but there’s an inherent divergence in the conventional capabilities of us and them that folk here gloss over with a little lie.

That lie is this: the wider the conventional gap grows — as India plays catch-up with and overtakes Pakistan in various aspects of the military realm — all that will happen is that Pakistan will lower the nuclear threshold and hence Pakistan will still be able to protect itself. Neat and deadly.

But follow that logic a bit. We already have an example: from the Indian parliament attack to Operation Parakram to the quasi-mooting of Cold Start to Pakistan developing smaller missiles that can carry miniaturised nuclear warheads, the whole spiral has already played out.

Great. We feel safe. Here’s the problem though: tactical nuclear missiles only respond to the threat of a rapid and limited ground invasion by the Indians. There are a whole bunch of other options.

A sea blockade by the Indian navy or air strikes by the Indian air force, for example. Or, if we want to get really fancy, imagine a multi-day episode like Mumbai that triggers an OBL-style Indian raid on Muridke before the militant attack is snuffed out in India.

Much of that is fantasy, either because India can only dream of such capabilities or because it’s insanely expensive to assemble. But, given its economic trajectory, given the money it can set aside for its military, given its external relationships and given the highly skilled pockets of labour available to it, India can afford to at least take a partial stab at fantasy.

Then what? To every new conventional capability India threatens or acquires, Pakistan can’t simply lower the nuclear threshold further. That would be absurd and unworkable for a bunch of reasons, not least because it would mean us sitting on a hair-trigger that would give the world jitters.

So, in every realistic scenario, Pakistan cannot let the conventional parity with India grow too out of whack. And in every realistic scenario, Pakistan simply doesn’t have the resources to compete conventionally — if India decides to hit the accelerator.

Either it would bankrupt us à la the Soviets and the Cold War or it would drive us to do something desperate before the point of no return is reached.

That, then, is the core of the Pak-India relationship: the intolerable threat of militancy for India and the unsustainable proposition of a conventional arms race for Pakistan.

And that also explains why the relationship is again near insoluble — the fear of one feeds the fear of the other.

Why should Pakistan give up on the proxy threat when it can’t compete in the long term in the conventional realm and militancy is the one thing India doesn’t have an answer to?

And why would India give up the option of pulling away conventionally if it’s the one thing that could make Pakistan consider giving up its proxies for good?

The worst thing about the Pak-India relationship is not that it doesn’t make sense, but that, when you look at it closely, the damn thing makes a kind of perverse sense.

Which brings us to the present. Pakistan’s hedge against a possible arms race with India has been to stabilise ties with the US: chummy up to the Americans and keep the weapons flowing while there’s a hawk in Delhi. It’s no accident that ties with the US are at their most stable in years.

India’s response to the continuing militancy threat has been to change tack from Manmohan Singh’s tentative diplomacy to Modi flirting with the proxy threat against Pakistan.

Combined, the Pakistani and Indian responses make for some fireworks and a great deal of noise. But it does little to change the contradiction at the heart of the relationship.

An intolerable threat for the Indian side and an unsustainable proposition for the Pakistani side is a riddle no one appears to have the answer to.

India, Pakistan, again - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
 
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They are welcome to approach the courts, if such cases exist.
oh come on now thats just clossing your eyes and saying i see nothing wrong over here i saw an interview of a mother of an officer who was in kargil war and never returned on NDTV go search only the internet and you'll find dozens of those just like that .....
 
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That part was thousands of miles away, yes we still miss that, still if you have balls try crossing the border, see how much you learn.

No one cares for your excuses dude. If you couldn't defend your region, it was silly to accept such a partition in the first place.

Wars take place in the context of geo-political reality. East Pak or now BD and its geographic location was a reality known to your establishment for decades. You should have prepared accordingly.

Think for yourself and don't just regurgitate the propaganda you guys are fed.

oh come on now thats just clossing your eyes and saying i see nothing wrong over here i saw an interview of a mother of an officer who was in kargil war and never returned on NDTV go search only the internet and you'll find dozens of those just like that .....

That does not equate to Pak denying the very fact that they were your soldiers and trying to pass them as militia.
 
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This delusion is keeping you at bay, you have no balls to cross the border, except killing innocent civilians.

Something like that cannot happen every other day, right ? There has to be meticulous planning for that, with no stone left unturned, not like Pakistani schemes regarding Kashmir, that fail even before they can start.

Also, such a planning has to be attributed with proper ground works, political and diplomatic support. All the possible outcomes have to evaluated and then go ahead.

When that happens, you loose the Kargil heights(1965), or Siachen(1984) or half of your country(1971). Were you not aware of all that ?
 
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