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India will be able to forge durable relations with China only when it emerges as a stronger, if not an equal, military and economic power with a nuclear deterrent, says a new book.

Former foreign secretary Muchkund Dubey also says that India should not expect China to change its negative position on or seriously address the issues of concern to India.
To stand up to China, India must maintain and impart momentum to the dynamism acquired by its economy and strengthen its military power, Dubey says in “India’s Foreign Policy: Coping with the Changing World” (Pearson).

“Without getting involved in a nuclear race with China, India must factor the threat to its security emanating from that country into the building of its nuclear deterrent,” he says, dealing with India-China relations.

“India should have adequate nuclear prowess in order to make China feel threatened enough not to take it for granted.

“India has also a long way to go towards enhancing its conventional warfare capacity,” he says. “The country also needs to build a credible defence against ballistic missiles. There is a need to expand and upgrade the Indian Navy.”

Dubey, who retired from Indian Foreign Service in 1991, says it is necessary to deploy air power in greater strength along the Sino-Indian border.

“Finally, India also needs to rapidly expand and upgrade its military infrastructure in general and in the border areas in particular.”

Although Chinese leaders talk endlessly of peace, “India should proceed on the assumption that China’s moves abroad will be propelled by a desire to attain supremacy in Asia and a dominant position in the world”.

Dubey wants India to comment if there are “massive” human rights violations in China.

“Normally, there is no need to question the socio-economic and political system prevailing in China.

“However, India may have to speak out if there is a persistent and massive violation of human rights in this country.

“Moreover, India may have to speak in a voice different from that of China when it comes to violations of human rights in other parts of the world.”

The book says that the most effective way to counter China from creating problems for India in South Asia is to bring about a qualitative change in relations with Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and The Maldives in particular.

According to Dubey, in the coming years, India and China will compete for mobilising political support, expanding access to markets and securing energy, metals, minerals and other natural resources in Asia and Africa.

“This competition will intensify with the passage of time, mainly because of the rising demands for natural resources in both India and China and the exhaustible nature of most of these resources.

“India should, therefore, gear itself up to the inevitability of competition with China in this area.”

Despite growing economic ties, China attempts to keep India unsettled by building Pakistan’s military might.

“China has prevented Pakistani terrorists from being blacklisted by the UN,” he says.

The Chinese nuclear arms build-up threatens India, which has a long way to go to build a nuclear deterrence against Beijing.

China has not only supported Pakistan on Kashmir but it backs India’s other neighbours in their disputes with New Delhi.

All of this, Dubey says, is aimed at undermining New Delhi’s position in its own neighbourhood and to prevent it from emerging as a rival Asian power.

‘India should build n-deterrent against China’ : Book | idrw.org
 
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China has like 500 nukes while India has around 100 or so. And India also needs to build more Hydrogen bombs.
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The book sounds apt .... though many people (including govt, off course) already know these things.

The current status is that China is concerned by the rise of India, which is quite clearly seen in how china officially responds to Agni-5 or Indian naval warships visiting shanghai or noticeable different tone in which china talks to phillipines or vietnam than to India.

But we still need to instill the fear of death in china, rather than a mere concern.

A more durable change can only come with a regime change in china ... only God knows, if it will be a violent change (like in Japan or Germany after WWII) or a peaceful one (like Soviet Union, post cold war).

Incidently, the same is the mood in India about China, a clear concern - yes; fear of death - no.

The coming few years would be interesting (?) or well, violent is not equal to interesting (!!)... given that china's so-called rise is flattening, having run out of fuel. It's anyone's guess, how things shape up in a declining china.
 
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Despite the corrupt and noneffective government and bureaucracy in place, the following is being done as we speak:

Completion of nuclear triad

Expansion of infrastructure towards Tibetan border (environmental regulations have stopped allot of it)

Raising and arming of new strike and mountain divisions

Re-activating airfields along Tibetan border

Purchase of M777 artillery (still not signed but approved)

Building of 155/45 Bofors guns

F INSAS is slowly moving forward (I dont expect results before 2020)

Medium range SAMs being developed with France

New sniper rifles being purchased

Tunnels for ICBMS and troop protection being built along the border


etc.
 
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India should do live TNT test under SCS.......................:P
 
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Gen JJ Singh when he was Army Commander, stated that Indian Army is prepared for a two front war and follows a strategy of deterrence against Pakistan and dissuasion against China. According to recent news reports, this may have changed a bit to, active deterrence against Pakistan and active dissuasive against China.

This strategy underlines the fact that, in case of a two front war, against Pakistan, India would launch major offensive inside Pakistani territory in order to destroy and or neutralize Pakistani forces while remaining short of Pakistan’s nuclear thresholds. This war would be short and violent, as the forces after dealing with Pakistan would be needed either for Chinese front or to retain balance.

Against China, the dissuasive strategy would use the terrain friction to delay and or deny Chinese manoeuvre forces from gaining access to depth areas in time and space. With the new planned raising of the strike corps, its artillery division and beefed up front line forces with additional two divisions and other support echelons, while delaying the Chinese advance, Indian Army would be able to launch the strike forces to either effect a recoil on Chinese forces or deny any further penetration. Against China, the war effort would be relatively protracted as compared to Pakistan.

The Indian Navy would deny access to Chinese navy in to IOR. Against Pakistan IN may effect a blockade and attain domination of IOR against both Pakistani and Chinese Navies.

Indian Air Force would conduct counter air operations as well as support the ground and naval operations endeavouring to attain air superiority against Pakistan and air parity against China.

The use of nuclear forces would be avoided against Pakistan by remaining short of its perceived thresholds and against China by denying them penetration which may cross Indian thresholds. The effort thus would be to keep the war to conventional level without escalating it to nuclear level. However, nuclear forces would remain prepared to respond if the need arises.

This in my opinion would be the Indian strategy in case of a two front war.

In case of war with China only, India would use all available means to convince Pakistan to not to join the war. In case Pakistan does not join the war in support of China, India would have sufficient forces to redeploy to the Chinese front and would attempt to regain the lost territory or a stalemate through gaining sufficient Chinese territory as a bargaining chip in post ceasefire parleys.

The outcome of India-China war would to a large extent depend upon whether Pakistan joins the Chinese effort or not. Jingoism aside, it may yet be difficult for the Indians to come out unscathed from a two front simultaneous war.

The timeframe in which such a simultaneous two front war takes is very important. If at the time of outbreak of hostilities, Chinese Navy has access to Pakistani ports and have assets placed there and in Sri Lankan and Burmese ports, Indian Navy may find it extremely difficult to cope with such an environment. The combined Pakistan-China-Sri Lanka-Burma effort, may have an overall negative effect on the Indian land and air battles as well.

Now, you guys can trash me.

India should do live TNT test under SCS.......................:P

And what may I ask this TNT test under SCS attempt to achieve, except for waking up some Chinese asleep near the coastline.

Despite the corrupt and noneffective government and bureaucracy in place, the following is being done as we speak:

Completion of nuclear triad

Expansion of infrastructure towards Tibetan border (environmental regulations have stopped allot of it)

Raising and arming of new strike and mountain divisions

Re-activating airfields along Tibetan border

Purchase of M777 artillery (still not signed but approved)

Building of 155/45 Bofors guns

F INSAS is slowly moving forward (I dont expect results before 2020)

Medium range SAMs being developed with France

New sniper rifles being purchased

Tunnels for ICBMS and troop protection being built along the border


etc.

China would have comparable weaponry, if not better. As the initiative in this case would rest with the Chinese, movement of this weaponry in the mountainous terrain to face varying threat may indeed become extremely difficult to effect a battle in time and space.

China has like 500 nukes while India has around 100 or so. And India also needs to build more Hydrogen bombs.
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Pehlay aisa bumb bana to lo, phir hi istimal karoge na!
 
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Gen JJ Singh when he was Army Commander, stated that Indian Army is prepared for a two front war and follows a strategy of deterrence against Pakistan and dissuasion against China. According to recent news reports, this may have changed a bit to, active deterrence against Pakistan and active dissuasive against China.

This strategy underlines the fact that, in case of a two front war, against Pakistan, India would launch major offensive inside Pakistani territory in order to destroy and or neutralize Pakistani forces while remaining short of Pakistan’s nuclear thresholds. This war would be short and violent, as the forces after dealing with Pakistan would be needed either for Chinese front or to retain balance.

Against China, the dissuasive strategy would use the terrain friction to delay and or deny Chinese manoeuvre forces from gaining access to depth areas in time and space. With the new planned raising of the strike corps, its artillery division and beefed up front line forces with additional two divisions and other support echelons, while delaying the Chinese advance, Indian Army would be able to launch the strike forces to either effect a recoil on Chinese forces or deny any further penetration. Against China, the war effort would be relatively protracted as compared to Pakistan.

The Indian Navy would deny access to Chinese navy in to IOR. Against Pakistan IN may effect a blockade and attain domination of IOR against both Pakistani and Chinese Navies.

Indian Air Force would conduct counter air operations as well as support the ground and naval operations endeavouring to attain air superiority against Pakistan and air parity against China.

The use of nuclear forces would be avoided against Pakistan by remaining short of its perceived thresholds and against China by denying them penetration which may cross Indian thresholds. The effort thus would be to keep the war to conventional level without escalating it to nuclear level. However, nuclear forces would remain prepared to respond if the need arises.

This in my opinion would be the Indian strategy in case of a two front war.

In case of war with China only, India would use all available means to convince Pakistan to not to join the war. In case Pakistan does not join the war in support of China, India would have sufficient forces to redeploy to the Chinese front and would attempt to regain the lost territory or a stalemate through gaining sufficient Chinese territory as a bargaining chip in post ceasefire parleys.

The outcome of India-China war would to a large extent depend upon whether Pakistan joins the Chinese effort or not. Jingoism aside, it may yet be difficult for the Indians to come out unscathed from a two front simultaneous war.

The timeframe in which such a simultaneous two front war takes is very important. If at the time of outbreak of hostilities, Chinese Navy has access to Pakistani ports and have assets placed there and in Sri Lankan and Burmese ports, Indian Navy may find it extremely difficult to cope with such an environment. The combined Pakistan-China-Sri Lanka-Burma effort, may have an overall negative effect on the Indian land and air battles as well.

Now, you guys can trash me.
Khayali pulaav apart neither china nor India will commit to war except for shadow boxing.Coz both have to lose a lot .But pakistan will sure itch to commit to war as it has nothing to lose. That where Indo-sino shadow boxing goes for 5 decades on.And if there is even shred of truth in najam sethi saying repeatedly of chinese leaders insisting upon pakistani leaders to make up with india then result of that is for everybody to see on ground.



And what may I ask this TNT test under SCS attempt to achieve, except for waking up some Chinese asleep near the coastline.
To make deaf listen again one has to do dhamaka---bhagat singh.

Pehlay aisa bumb bana to lo, phir hi istimal karoge na!
Nahi banega tey bazaar vich khareed lena c...........:P
 
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Khayali pulaav apart neither china nor India will commit to war except for shadow boxing.Coz both have to lose a lot .But pakistan will sure itch to commit to war as it has nothing to lose. That where Indo-sino shadow boxing goes for 5 decades on.And if there is even shred of truth in najam sethi saying repeatedly of chinese leaders insisting upon pakistani leaders to make up with india then result of that is for everybody to see on ground.

Listen to Najam Sethi for internal political environment. But when he jumps into geopolitics and starts farting about India-Pakistan wars and strategies etc, he can not differentiate between his elbow and posterior.



To make deaf listen again one has to do dhamaka---bhagat singh.

And now, who is this Bhagat Singh. I know a Paan Singh Ji here, who is also comparable to Najam Sethi in his endeavours at spelling out geostrategy and jingoism.

Nahi banega tey bazaar vich khareed lena c...........:P

aaho, aay vi thik aa. tusi bumb bazaaron khareedo te shurli te laa ke SCS bhej deyo.
 
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Listen to Najam Sethi for internal political environment. But when he jumps into geopolitics and starts farting about India-Pakistan wars and strategies etc, he can not differentiate between his elbow and posterior.
oji nai uski chriya tey indo-pak-china de relations de baare main bhi 90% time sach hi boldi c....

Result is on ground for all to see.





And now, who is this Bhagat Singh. I know a Paan Singh Ji here, who is also comparable to Najam Sethi in his endeavours at spelling out geostrategy and jingoism.
fir to poore lahore aur PU ke naam ke aisa thooka hai ke barson tak nahi dhulega.



aaho, aay vi thik aa. tusi bumb bazaaron khareedo te shurli te laa ke SCS bhej deyo.
tussi te bas dhamaka suno ji.Assi othay drilling start kar di c
 
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oji nai uski chriya tey indo-pak-china de relations de baare main bhi 90% time sach hi boldi c....

Result is on ground for all to see.

I didn't see any of his results coming true except his bragging aur bas.


fir to poore lahore aur PU ke naam ke aisa thooka hai ke barson tak nahi dhulega.

My goodness. I need to read about him, never saw him in Lahore. Baarish aj kal barri zor nal hundi aay - sab dhul janda aey.
But who is this guy which evokes such a ferocious response from you.


tussi te bas dhamaka suno ji.Assi othay drilling start kar di c

thik hai ji. dekhday ayen suttay paye nu thuadha dhamaka jaganda aey ya nahin
 
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I didn't see any of his results coming true except his bragging aur bas.
kala chasma utaro aankon se sab saaf saaf dikhega fir.

My goodness. I need to read about him, never saw him in Lahore. Baarish aj kal barri zor nal hundi aay - sab dhul janda aey.
But who is this guy which evokes such a ferocious response from you.
one ca wake only those who are sleeping.one cannot wake up those who pretends to sleep.




thik hai ji. dekhday ayen suttay paye nu thuadha dhamaka jaganda aey ya nahin
tussi tey bas apna seismograph taiyaar rakho ji.
 
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kala chasma utaro aankon se sab saaf saaf dikhega fir.

one ca wake only those who are sleeping.one cannot wake up those who pretends to sleep.




tussi tey bas apna seismograph taiyaar rakho ji.


Okie dokie ..... Sleep time.

And hey @ajtr, thanks again for the book. Grateful indeed. :)
 
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Indians don't have hydrogen bombs nor miniature missile heads. So far India had only had a few not so successful atom tests. If you ever play nuclear card with China you are finished.
 
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