India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[sancho]

If the partner nations do not take their allocation the future of Trance 3B looks bleak. The British haven’t totally ruled out making further purchases of Typhoons, instead saying they are unlikely to do so but reserve the right. The Italian Defence Minister said in July 2010 that they would be cutting their order by 25 aircraft, representing the Italians allocation of Tranche 3B aircraft.

In addition to that, the German government had provided a budget to buy 180 Eurofighter in the late 90s, but with the increased costs the whole budget was used up with the order of the 31 Tranche 3A fighters. According to calculations of the FM around 3 billion Euros would be needed additionally to procure the 37 fighters of the T3B. But although Germany is one of the few countries in Europe that came out the financial crisis without much problems, the government decided to cut the cost of the military. Moreover they want to reshape the military stuctures and want to make the Bundeswehr smaller, but and more cost - effective! This makes the clearance of another 3 billions very questionable and it is more likely that they will try to sell these fighters to other export countries, or even cancell it as well.

Spain the last member is even in bigger trouble, because the finacial anc Euro crisis hit them so hard, that they are close to bankruptcy! If the have to be bailed out like Greece, Ireland, or now Portugal, they will have to face big government budget cuts, which of course will hit the defense procurements as well.

The EF consortium companies made it pretty clear recently, if the partners don't order the T3B soon and there won't be an order of an export customer, the EF productionline will be closed by 2015!

 

[sancho]

MMRCA J'anes according to Defense

RAHUL Bedi - Correspondent

New Delhi

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) in India, the six competitors to the program of ten billion dollars from Indian Air Force - Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), said the finalists Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale.

Ministry officials said on April 28 that, based on technical evaluation of six aircraft by the IAF carried out in 2010, would invite the Typhoon and Rafale to extend its commercial offerings for 12 months. This was confirmed to Indian offices by Dassault and EADS, which is marketing the Typhoon in India.

The proposals will expire at the end of the month. Bids will be opened in the coming weeks and then price negotiations will begin to finalize an agreement, which is expected to increase from 126 to 200 fighters at a cost estimated between $ 15 billion and $ 16 billion.

The IAF has submitted the test report of all six candidates for the MMRCA the Ministry of Defence in July 2010, after evaluating them in 643 technical aspects in desert conditions, coastal and high altitude, in India and suppliers in their countries.

Senior Ministry of Defence, New Delhi, told that they had informed their decision makers of the other four candidates - the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the Lockheed Martin F-16IN, the United Aircraft Corporation MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen.

Officials from the Ministry of Defence of India told that they selected the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale MMRCA for the competition.
The decision eliminates the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the Lockheed Martin F-16IN, the Saab JAS 39 Gripen and the MiG-35 UAC

Saab released a statement on April 27, in which he said was "not on the short list for the program MMRCA of India."

Lockheed Martin, which sold six military transport aircraft C-130J Super Hercules to India in March 2008, said in a statement it "remains committed to the relationship with the IAF, the Ministry of Defence and other services."

Boeing said it was "obviously disappointed with the outcome" and, after a review would "take a decision about the possible options, keeping in mind the impact for the Indian Air Force."

Representatives of the other Contracting competitor, the Russian company United Aircraft Corporation, who was participating with his MiG-35, had not responded to questions when the went to press.

Sources in the Indian Defense Ministry said they had considered asking all six competitors to revalidate their commercial offerings for another year, and April 30, 2011, but, given the great interest of the countries involved and incessant lobbying by their fighters, opted to select only two aircraft.

In contrast to the decisions of previous competitions, a trade negotiating committee, composed of MoD, IAF officials from industry and finance, will base its decision on the life cycle costs over 40 years and 6,000 flight hours fighters.

The IAF will acquire 18 aircraft off the shelf "within 36 months after signing the agreement. The remaining 108 of the initial batch will be built by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in Bangalore.

The deal also involves the MMRCA mandatory compensation (offset) of 50 percent of local investment, to date only in the Defence sector in India - above the stipulated percentage of 30 percent required for all military purchases exceeding Rs 3 billion ( USD 71.42 million).

The U.S. ambassador, Timothy J. Roemer, who had been lobbying hard in favor of candidates from Boeing and Lockheed Martin to MMRCA, said in a statement: "We are deeply disappointed by this news ...We look forward to continuing to grow and develop our partnership with India in defense and remain convinced that the U.S. offer to our partners in Defense around the world, the most advanced technology and reliable existing "

 

[tallboy123]

Eurofighter typhoon has US technology and parts.....

Rafale has No US technology and parts.....

 

[WHITESMOKE]

As the partner countries itself are not sure about the future of tiffy plus the increasing cost... i think Rafale is clear winner. May be Euro fighter is in the list just to put some pressure on french. Whatever so, its only the Rafale that will shake hand with MKI

 

[indianpatriot]

^^thats perhaps F-22 raptor in the second pic plus rafale is better than J-20 because presently it is more capable as yours is very under developed...plus yours apparently is a 5 gen aircraft...its still like a new born.

 

[koushik]

Chinese 5th gen High Tech>>French 4th Gen High Tech

i dont think so.j-20 is a new born.rafale is much better at the moment.

 

[SpArK]

French AASM Demonstrates Outstanding Versatility in Libyan Campaign​

AASM being reloaded on Rafale - 2011/04

The Libyan campaign has emphasized unique advantages of the French AASM-250 autonomous guided weapons. Previously criticized in the media as an excessively expensive weapon, AASM proved its value in offering operational flexibility, in providing small fighting formations the effects achied by much larger strike forces. The weapon was developed to meet a wide range of counter-air and offensive air missions, including Counter Air Defense/(Suppression of Enemy Air Defense – SEAD), Air Interdiction and Deep Strikes, to Close Air Support (CAS) including precision attacks in urban environments, as well as anti-ship missions.

Relying on the AASM extended stand-off range, Rafales were tasked to suppress and destroy SA-3 air defense sites during the initial phases of the conflict. During these strikes, utilizing the Rafales’ on-board sensor fusion capability, integrating data obtained from on-board sensors and external sources, delivered over Link-16, the fighters could generate strike coordinates based on real-time data, and feed it to the weapon in flight. The French fighters succeeded to hit the active sites with AASM, launching the weapons from long distance, outside the SA-3 launch envelope. Since each individual weapon is programmed with specific target coordinates, multiple weapons can be employed from the same aircraft, to attack different targets. Each weapon can be reprogrammed in flight, enabling it to engage several targets simultaneously (up to six in the case of the Rafale.)

A significant advantage of the AASM is the ability to retarget the weapon from the cockpit, just before launch. A Rafale carrying six weapons, each programmed with six different targets prior to takeoff. In addition to hitting each of the targets, the same fighter can re-attack targets already engaged but not destroyed, ensuring mission success, avoiding the high risk and costs involved with repeat missions, following battle damage assessment. Overall, Sagem claims a mission success rate of over 90%, compared to 70%, achieved by unpowered (gliding) laser guided or geo-targeted weapons, which are also restricting mission planning in flight envelope, flight trajectory, impact angle and penetration.

When employed against air defense assets, the combination of the weapon’s stand-off range and re-attack capability means an air defense site would be taken out of operation for longer periods, delivering higher success rate in SEAD operations and precision attacks of high value targets. Another important capability, particularly in today’s hybrid warfare, is the weapon’s flexibility in striking ‘time critical targets’. During the recent attacks in Libya, a Rafale pilot clearly demonstrated such method, when spotting a Libyan Soko G2 Galeb aircraft flying near Misrata. As the Libyan plane landed at the base, the Rafale pilot acquired its coordinates as a ‘target of opportunity’, fed the data to the weapon and launched the GPS/INS guided AASM against the target. As the weapon dropped, it homed in on the exact spot and destroyed the Libyan aircraft on the tarmac.


Operational with the French Air Force, and French Naval Aviation, AASM is produced made by Safran subsidiary Sagem DS. The weapon was first deployed in Afghanistan with the French Rafale in 2008. The baseline AASM kit comprises of the INS/GPS guidance system, designed for standard 250 kg (500 pounds) bombs. The AASM family will eventually include 125, 500 and 1,000 kg (250, 1000, and 2000 pounds) versions. Since the French forces have received only the initial deliveries of 3,500 weapons ordered, chances are that the used inventory could be replenished by extending current production runs. It is assumed that new weapons could be delivered at considerably lower costs than the original ones, as the manufacturer has stepped up the learning curve. Nevertheless, the cost of a basic AASM is still expected to ship at around $300,000 apiece (€200,000).
The weapon uses a booster/sustainer rocket engine accelerating it to the designated cruising speed and altitude, from where it is designed to continue through an autonomous operation, in day or night and in all weather conditions. It can be released at low altitude, and can also be fired up to 180 degrees off-axis in relation to the aircraft’s flight path, (‘backwards’) attacking targets from any direction, from standoff distance exceeding 50 km.

AASM-250 weapons are currently fitted with inertial/GPS guidance. The addition of semi-active laser seeker, and algorithms to track fixed or mobile targets during the terminal phase, will enhance the operational flexibility of the AASM family. Two versions are currently available and qualified for firing by the Rafale multirole fighter – the inertial/GPS and soon to be fielded inertial/GPS/infrared. The laser terminal guidance version of the AASM is expected to enter volume production for the French air force and navy starting at the end of 2012.
In addition to the basic GPS/INS guidance, AASM will also offer optional terminal guidance kits. These add-on features currently under development, will increase attack precision and enable engagement of fast moving targets. The infra-red seeker enables the weapon to hit small targets with distinctive signature, overcoming target location errors y undertaking a terminal correction just before impact. The semi-active laser seeker, along with associated moving target algorithms enable engagement of any surface target (stationary or moving) illuminated by a target designator, even targets travelling at high speed.

The AASM-125 was successfully tested in February 2009 on a Mirage 2000. The AASM-1000 is under development, as are new features such as airburst and data link. The AASM has also been selected to equip the Moroccan Mirage F-1s and are considered a likely choice for Air Forces considering the French Rafale (India, Brazil). Sagem is also addressing other platforms as well, including opportunities to arm Mirage 2000s in foreign service.

Rafale News: Libya, AASM sead capability demonstrated (2)

 

[palash_kol]

Chinese 5th gen High Tech>>French 4th Gen High Tech

@localoca : Look at the name of the thread ......then bring the J-20 discussion in this thread....

I dont know what you want to prove..... May be you want to prove that J-20 is the best aircraft available today worldwide....But you can do that in J-20 news and discussion.....Why are you bringing J-20 in India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist thread ???? - Either you are toooo immature or you are the best J-20 lover available today worldwide......and thats why you are bringing J-20 in every context.....

 

[SpArK]

@localoca : Look at the name of the thread ......then bring the J-20 discussion in this thread....

I dont know what you want to prove..... May be you want to prove that J-20 is the best aircraft available today worldwide....But you can do that in J-20 news and discussion.....Why are you bringing J-20 in India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist thread ???? - Either you are toooo immature or you are the best J-20 lover available today worldwide......and thats why you are bringing J-20 in every context.....

I have reported atleast 3-4 off topic posts. It seems Mods are nt interested.

 

[Pak_Sher]

The Rafale will be good aircraft for the IAF.

 

[KEETARP]

Eurofighter typhoon has US technology and parts.....

Rafale has No US technology and parts.....

Rubbish , Rafale has .................US parts .

Search for it , infact this very forum 14 months back ; I only posted the details . If you still don't get it , i will post it again

 

[Break the Silence]

Me too..And Bareilly is my home town too. Will be proud to see Rafale/EFT parked alongside MKI there. BTW, MKI look awesome in real, better than in pictures

Yeah, MKI looks awsome in real. Interesting to see a partenership b/w Mki(air superiority) & Rafale(multirole).
p.s. Rafale if selected.

 

[palash_kol]

Rubbish , Rafale has .................US parts .

Search for it , infact this very forum 14 months back ; I only posted the details . If you still don't get it , i will post it again

Rafale has US parts!!!!!! - may be very few.

Prove it......post that again......

Everybody is eager to know which parts of rafale comes from US......and if so - isn't that possible to replace those parts with french parts or indian parts???

 

[kingdurgaking]

Yeah, MKI looks awsome in real. Interesting to see a partenership b/w Mki(air superiority) & Rafale(multirole).
p.s. Rafale if selected.

MKI is not air superiority dude.. it was initially designed on air superiority and it is now purely multirole... you have to guess what is used in searching for the crashed choppers in asam... an air superiority can never be used for such operations...

 

[KEETARP]

Rafale has US parts!!!!!! - may be very few.

Prove it......post that again......

Everybody is eager to know which parts of rafale comes from US......and if so - isn't that possible to replace those parts with french parts or indian parts???

Dont have much time to post in detail , My duty call at 1400 hrs.

In short -

US components of Rafale -

Airco industries
Cockpit leading edge navigation pannel

Avtron Manufacturing
Electrical ,Electronic , Hydraulic & Fuel component Test Equipment .

Magnolia Plastics, Inc
Syntactic Composites: Adhesives, coatings and syntactics

Columbus Jack Corporation
Jacks, towbars, tire bead breakers & GSE

Ducommun Technologies , Carson, CA
Illuminated switches

Ducommun Technologies, Inc. CA
Warning Systems/Equipment: Master caution and warning assemblies

Goodrich Corporation , Ohio USA
Engine temperature sensors + Sensors & Integrated Systems

Eaton Aerospace Centurion , USA
Pneumatic components & ducting systems + Mechanical Seals + Solenoid valves

Esterline Technologies Corp , USA
high-precision temperature and pressure sensors, fluid and motion control components

Farwest Aircraft , Boeing USA owned
Engine positioners; jacks; recovery systems
ground support equipment (GSE)

Microturbo S.A , Texas
Auxiliary Power Units: Rubis 305 APU

Thales North America Inc.
SPECTRA components

Rexnord Industries, LLC , USA
Bearings: Seals & bearings

Moog Controls (UK)
Automatic Flight Control Systems: Primary flight controls

RUAG Aerospace Swiss Tech , Bern - Switzerland
Fuel Tanks & Systems + Under wing fuel tanks



Omega technologies USA
Fastners , drillers , install prep

Avibank - North Hollywood , CA
Tool numbers B7 - to 555

SPS Mfg - Hollywood , CA
Latches , hold-open rods , quick release rods , pannels

Fastening Systems International , CA uSA
Blind rivet tooling

Adtron now subsidery of Smart Modular USA
Flashpack solid-state Flash memory , drives for avionics

CSE - USA
Clamping device


to be continued ............... tommorow on sunday


If you have full subscription , follow this site
http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=Dassault_Rafale

Rafale has the following US suppliers

Hexcel Composites (US) Carbon Fibre: Carbon fibers, structural adhesives, honeycombs, prepregs, sandwich panels and reinforcement fabrics
Magnolia Plastics, Inc: Synthactic Composites: Adhesives, coatings and syntactics
Orelube: Synthetic Lubricants: Boelube
Rexnord Aerospace : Bearings: Seals & bearings
HiRel Connectors, Inc: Electrical & Electronic Connectors: Connectors, removal crimp and hermetic solder contacts
Avibank Mfg. Inc: Fasteners: Pins, bolts, fasteners & accessories
Ho-Ho-Kus, Inc: Fasteners: Clamps and fasteners, nuts, bolts & screws
Eaton Aerospace Phelps Valve : Pumps, valves, level sensors, pressure switches, refuel/defuel manifolds, and couplings
Rexnord Cartriseal :Mechanical Seals: Contacting & non-contacting face and circumferential seals
Goodrich Sensors & Integrated Systems : Sensors/Transducers: Pitot probe; ice detectors; air data total air temperature sensors
Technofan: Air Conditioning Equipment: Valves & fans; cockpit air conditioning system
Ducommun Technologies, Inc: Warning Systems/Equipment: Master caution and warning assemblies
Microturbo S.A: Auxiliary Power Units: Rubis 305 APU
Omega Technologies, Inc:Insertion/Removal Tools: Fastener installation & removal tools; hole drilling & preparation tools
Thales North America Inc: Electronic Warfare Systems: SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare system operating in electromagnetic, laser and infra-red domains

DBC had posted from same site earlier contact her for time being , will see you tommorow





NON FRENCH , NON - US COMPONENTS

1) SNMECA M88 CORE Metal and Alloy castings - By TITAN TECH Germany
28 Titanium components and 1 aluminium components including TITANIUM-ALUMINIUM investment casting by TITAN GmBH Germany.

2) Aerotech herman Nelson , Canada
Portable heaters

3) subsidiary of LFK GmbH / MBDA Deutschland , Germany
Gel propulsion , Propulsion charges , ducted motors

-Antriebe mbH , Germany
Power couplings

-Behr Industrietechnik GmbH,

-Liebherr-Aerospace Lindenberg GmbH
Cabin Pressure Control Systems

-Chelton (Electrostatics) , UK
Antennas
Engine cooling , Germany

-EADS
Automatic test equipment


Bye for now