India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[koushik]

The Eurofighter also has a good ground attack capability.The typhoon currently uses the LITENING-3 Laser Designating Pod.it is also equipped with Paveway-IV 500kg Laser Guided Bombs and the Enhanced Paveway EGBU-16 1000kg Laser Guided Bombs.From 2014 it will be equipped with MBDA Storm Shadow Stand Off Cruise Missile and Brimstone ATGM.I think also the MBDA ALARM Anti Radiation Missile can be launched.So it is also as great as Rafale.

 

[KS]

Status of AESA by Thales ????? - still in development.

With the AESA RBE2’s performance now validated, in line with the contract schedule, Thales will begin series production of equipment for installation on the aircraft under Tranche 4 of the Rafale programme.

Thales AESA RBE2 radar validated on Rafale - Thales Group

Feel saddest for the Gripen folks, they had a great plane but were fighting in a different class. That would have & should have made the numbers for the IAF as a light fighter but HAL should have looked to work with them earlier in the LCA project. Pretty much end of the road for them too, I think.

I will not be surprised if the TATA's buy some equity into the SAAB group now.

It would do wonders for the Indian Aerospace industry.

 

[justanobserver]

My favorite Eurofighter pic

 

[Markus]

Thales AESA RBE2 radar validated on Rafale - Thales Group



I will not be surprised if the TATA's buy some equity into the SAAB group now.

It would do wonders for the Indian Aerospace industry.

Hmmm, so AESA available for Tranche 4 that is 2013 that is even more perfect and is inline with expected Indian productions dates.

 

[KS]

Hmmm, so AESA available for Tranche 4 that is 2013 that is even more perfect and is inline with expected Indian productions dates.

Yes, the Radar will be up and running when we finalise the deal and order the first batch of fighters. The French have promised that orders for India will be taken simultaneously as that of the Armée de l'Air orders to ensure fast delivery.

 

[Devianz]

The Eurofighter also has a good ground attack capability.The typhoon currently uses the LITENING-3 Laser Designating Pod.it is also equipped with Paveway-IV 500kg Laser Guided Bombs and the Enhanced Paveway EGBU-16 1000kg Laser Guided Bombs.From 2014 it will be equipped with MBDA Storm Shadow Stand Off Cruise Missile and Brimstone ATGM.I think also the MBDA ALARM Anti Radiation Missile can be launched.So it is also as great as Rafale.

But the problem with EFT is that it only has 3 hardpoints strong enough to support heavy A to G ammunitions. The same hardpoints are also used for carrying external fuel tanks, you will have to compromise on range for heavier payload. In that case Storm Shadow and Enhanced Paveway are rendered useless when on a deep strike mission. Perhaps the 500kg Paveway too(?).

 

[Markus]

But the problem with EFT is that it only has 3 hardpoints strong enough to support heavy A to G ammunitions. The same hardpoints are also used for carrying external fuel tanks, you will have to compromise on range for heavier payload. In that case Storm Shadow and Enhanced Paveway are rendered useless when on a deep strike mission. Perhaps the 500kg Paveway too(?).

Deep strike with heavy load is the job of MKI escorted by stealth fighters or MMRCA in A2A mode.

 

[Mr.Ryu]

Also need to know do we get any no. of the winning plane in ready to fly condition at least some 5 - 10 so our pilots will get greater exposure to these baby when they come home. Hope 5 - 10 plane is no big deal as we will eventually order some 200+ of the winner.

 

[KS]

Deep strike with heavy load is the job of MKI escorted by stealth fighters or MMRCA in A2A mode.

Deep strike will be shared by both MKI and MMRCA as these MMRCa are widely expected to replace the aging Jaguars and Mig-27 which are primarily strike fighters.

Also need to know do we get any no. of the winning plane in ready to fly condition at least some 5 - 10 so our pilots will get greater exposure to these baby when they come home. Hope 5 - 10 plane is no big deal as we will eventually order some 200+ of the winner.

The first squadron (18 planes) will be bought off the shelf in fly-away condition and the rest produced under license in India.

 

[Markus]

Deep strike will be shared by both MKI and MMRCA as these MMRCa are widely expected to replace the aging Jaguars and Mig-27 which are primarily strike fighters.

As Mr. Devianz pointed out, deep strike with heavy load may not be possible for MMRCA machines given the load that they can carry.

The best possible way out is to use heavy MKI escorted with MMRCA in A2A mode or stealth fighters as and when they come.

 

[Bang Galore]

Guys, guys, the technical trials are over. The Ef & Rafale have both cleared it. There is no point in discussing radar, hardpoints, A2G capabilities etc. That's water under the bridge now. What is being discussed are commercial details - what are we going to get for the money, how badly do you want the contract, what else can you bring to the table that is a game changer in your favour etc. The fact that they dumped the Americans so unceremoniously must both be exhilarating & scary for the two contenders. If the Americans couldn't get anywhere with their pull, these two would be thinking that they don't stand a chance of throwing their weight around I imagine that what the MoD wants (within reason of course), the MoD will get. Time to put the squeeze gentlemen.

 

[Markus]

Guys, guys, the technical trials are over. The Ef & Rafale have both cleared it. There is no point in discussing radar, hardpoints, A2G capabilities etc. That's water under the bridge now. What is being discussed are commercial details - what are we going to get for the money, how badly do you want the contract, what else can you bring to the table that is a game changer in your favour etc. The fact that they dumped the Americans so unceremoniously must both be exhilarating & scary for the two contenders. If the Americans couldn't get anywhere with their pull, these two would be thinking that they don't stand a chance of throwing their weight around I imagine that what the MoD wants (within reason of course), the MoD will get. Time to put the squeeze gentlemen.

Back room games, anyone?

 

[SpArK]

Status of AESA by Thales ????? - still in development.

But the point is that without foreign customers its not gonna make money. It cannot thrive on French orders alone, surely?

India or Brazil, any one will do for them but then Indian order is far more bigger than the Brazilian one.

Its hard cash and how much of it at the end of the day is the only thing that concerns the promoters of the both the companies.

Bigger the order, more the money at their disposal, more the recognition, more sales, better pipeline, more growth.

AESA is all ready as explained by sancho... they will be integrating it in early next year in newer batches.

We are not sure how much more wil Brazil will buy after the initial order. Even if they dont chose and we get a better deal its amaz

 

[Bang Galore]

Deep strike will be shared by both MKI and MMRCA as these MMRCa are widely expected to replace the aging Jaguars and Mig-27 which are primarily strike fighters.

Not really, they are refurbishing the jaguars with a new engine. Honeywell was in the lead so Rolls Royce decided to play dirty & withdraw from the contract creating a single vendor situation( the CAG frowns on those situations). The Jaguars are likely to be there for a very long time & the IAF is pretty happy with their performance.

 

[Markus]

AESA is all ready as explained by sancho... they will be integrating it in early next year in newer batches.

We are not sure how much more wil Brazil will buy after the initial order. Even if they dont chose and we get a better deal its amaz

Like we discussed before, MMRCA is gonna make or break.

Both companies need to fire on all cylinders now. Their time of reckoning has arrived.