India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[Bagee]

Aluminium Casting

 

[Bagee]

@ Bagee

Check my post, because I already showed in comparison for both fighters, or put it in a single post, because so many posts makes it confusing.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...ef-rafale-mmrca-shortlist-94.html#post1744834

but i don't think that was the correct composition shown for typhoon thats why i doing it and gain why it has lower rcs and good stol capability
no offences dude

 

[jha]

@Sancho..

One positive point about RAFALE is that we can hardwire them for special purposes and France wont wake much hue cry..
Lets hope we get a good package deal..

 

[Bagee]

Snecma M88
General characteristics
Type: Twin-shaft, turbofan engine
Length: 3538 mm (139.3 in)
Diameter: 900 mm (35.4 in) max
Dry weight: 897 kg (1,977 lb)

Components
Compressor: 3 stage low pressure, 6 stage high pressure
Combustors: Annular
Turbine: single stage high pressure, single stage low pressure

Performance
Maximum thrust: 50 kN (11,250 lbf) dry, 75 kN (16,900 lbf) wet (afterburning)
Overall pressure ratio: 24.5:1
Bypass ratio: 0.3
Turbine inlet temperature: 1,850K (2,870 °F)
Fuel consumption: 0.80 kg/(daN*h) (0.78 lbm/(lbf*h)) (dry), 1.75 kg/(daN*h) (1.72 lbm/(lbf*hr)) (wet/afterburning)
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 5.7:1 (dry), 8.5:1 (wet/afterburning)
EJ200
General characteristics
Type: Turbofan
Length: 157 inches (4.0 m)
Diameter: 29 inches (0.737 m)
Dry weight: 2,180 lbs (989 kg)

Components
Compressor: 3-stage LP, 5-stage HP
Turbine: 1-stage LP, 1-stage HP

Performance
Maximum thrust: 13,500 lbf (60 kN) dry thrust / 20,000 lbf (89 kN) with reheat
Bypass ratio: 0.4:1
Overall pressure ratio: 26:1
Turbine inlet temperature: 1,800K
Specific fuel consumption: 21-23 g/kNs dry thrust / 47-49 g/kNs with reheat
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 9.175:1

 

[Bagee]

EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON
Crew: 1 (operational aircraft) or 2 (training aircraft)
Length: 15.96 m (52.4 ft)
Wingspan: 10.95 m (35.9 ft)
Height: 5.28 m (17.3 ft)
Wing area: 51.2 m2[220] (551 sq ft)
Empty weight: 11,150 kg (24,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 16,000 kg[220][221] (35,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 23,500 kg (52,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Eurojet EJ200 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 60 kN (13,000 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 89 kN (20,000 lbf) each
Fuel capacity: 4,500 kg (9,900 lb) internal

Dassault Rafale
Crew: 1–2
Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,500 kg (C), 9,770 kg (B),[78] 10,196 kg (M) ()
Loaded weight: 14,016 kg (30,900 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M) (54,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans
Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each

 

[Bagee]

Dassault Rafale
Performance
Maximum speed: **High altitude: Mach 1.8+ (1,900+ km/h, 1,026+ knots)
Low altitude: 1,390 km/h, 750 knots
Range: 3,700+ km (2,000+ nmi)
Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission
Service ceiling: 16,800 m (55,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 304.8+ m/s (60,000+ ft/min)
Wing loading: 306 kg/m² (62.8 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.10 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile)

EURO FIGHTER TYPHOON
Performance
Maximum speed:
At altitude: Mach 2 (2,495 km/h/1,550 mph)
At sea level: Mach 1.2 (1,470 km/h/910 mph)
Supercruise: Mach 1.1–1.5
Range: 2,900 km (1,800 mi)
Combat radius:
Ground attack, lo-lo-lo: 601 km (325 nmi)
Ground attack, hi-lo-hi: 1,389 km (750 nmi)
Air defence with 3-hr combat air patrol: 185 km (100 nmi)
Air defence with 10-min. loiter: 1,389 km (750 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,790 km (2,350 mi)
Service ceiling: 19,810 m(64,990 ft)
Rate of climb: >315 m/s(62,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 312 kg/m2 (64.0 lb/ft2)
Thrust/weight: 1.15
g-limits: +9/−3 g

 

[Bagee]

just havea look with being bias and u will fell some thing for sure

 

[localoca]

Rafale also has a sawtooth design feature all over the airframe and even in the air intakes.

http://i32.servimg.com/u/f32/11/28/97/15/drk_9612.jpg

http://i32.servimg.com/u/f32/11/28/97/15/drk_9611.jpg



All stealth fighters begining with the F117 used similar sawtooth design features with the same aim of scattering the radar waves and to reduce the RCS as well:

Both uses high ammounts of composite and RAM materials, also use similar RCS reduction features. Which makes clear that both should have very low RCS, but I don't want to speculate which one is lower.

Sancho I am calling you out Troll..

show me something simmilar to this in Rafale


I doubt you´ll find a picture of Sawtoothed Rafale Parts

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Sancho I am calling you out Troll..

show me something simmilar to this in Rafale


I doubt you´ll find a picture of Sawtoothed Rafale Parts

Actually you are the troll.

You are comparing a 4th gen fighter to a fifth gen one.

 

[localoca]

Actually you are the troll.

You are comparing a 4th gen fighter to a fifth gen one.

he is the one that stated the Rafale uses Sawtoothed panels

 

[kingdurgaking]

Look at the size of Su-30.. Su-30 Rcs would be 60% more than Rafale

Rafale is small compared to Su-30 and will have very less RCS when compared to SU-30
But Su-30 can carry more weapon load and highy manevourable

You are looking fighters at clean configuration... In war scenario it is not the case dude.... you need to count RCS with external loading... so what you can say?? Rafale or EFT will not have 5 m2 alteast???... it is enough for MKI to detect at 150-200 KM of distance away...

all 4.75 gen doesnt make sense unless it is a VLO.... others are not game changers... w.r.t MKI

 

[tallboy123]

You are looking fighters at clean configuration... In war scenario it is not the case dude.... you need to count RCS with external loading... so what you can say?? Rafale or EFT will not have 5 m2 alteast???... it is enough for MKI to detect at 150-200 KM of distance away...

all 4.75 gen doesnt make sense unless it is a VLO.... others are not game changers... w.r.t MKI

Am not good at aircraft science
can u tell me wat is VLO??

 

[Mo12]

I am assuming what ever fighter we pick, it will certainly help to shape teja mk2 fighter jet, using they technology ...

 

[tallboy123]

I am assuming what ever fighter we pick, it will certainly help to shape teja mk2 fighter jet, using they technology ...

The aesa tech that we get from ToT will be used in developing Aesa radar for Tejas Mk.2

 

[Ghoster]

Am not good at aircraft science
can u tell me wat is VLO??

Very Low Observability