India Scraps Domestic Jet Engine Plan

[SXNJ]

NEW DELHI — India has abandoned its efforts to build its own engine to power the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mark-2, according to Indian Defence Ministry sources.

The Kaveri engine, which Indian defense scientists are trying to build, has failed to meet Indian Air Force requirements two decades after the project began, the MoD sources said.

This means the LCA Mark-2 will be powered only by U.S. company General Electric’s GE-414 engine, which was short-listed earlier over Germany’s Eurojet to power the LCA Mark-2. The aircraft, under development at Bangalore’s Aeronautical Development Agency, is expected to be ready around 2017.

While an MoD official would not say that the engine project has been abandoned for the aircraft, he did say that the Kaveri engine does not fully meet the Air Force’s thrust requirements. The MoD has now decided to use the Kaveri engine to power only UAVs, the official added.

India’s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), the agency that is building the Kaveri, had been in consultation with French company Snecma for the past three years to help complete the engine.

DRDO and Snecma had been negotiating to co-develop and co-produce the engine, but they have yet to sign an agreement, the MoD official said.

While the official would not say why the negotiations failed, an Indian Air Force source said the Kaveri project to power the LCA has been all but abandoned. Beyond powering UAVs, the engine also will be a technology demonstration project.

The Air Force source added that besides the failure to meet the thrust level, the Kaveri also has technical problems with its compressor, turbine and engine control system.

Meanwhile, the LCA Mark-1 is readying for induction by 2014, nearly 15 years behind schedule. It will be powered by the GE-404 engine, also from General Electric.

For the LCA Mark-2 program, ADA will order 99 GE-414 engines and the rest will be manufactured in India under technology transfer arrangements.


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[northeast]

Actually it's a good news for indian pilots.

 

[SXNJ]

Firstly A junk tank, then LCA and Kaveri engine, what will be the next one ?

 

[IndoCarib]

Firstly A junk tank, then LCA and Kaveri engine, what will be the next one ?

This thread is attracting all the chinese 'junk'

 

[SpArK]

Hey troll-holes.. a thread already exists with same title.. pls move there and do the daily dose of troll.

 

[IndoUS]

Hey troll-holes.. a thread already exists with same title.. pls move there and do the daily dose of troll.

I don't think that the plans are totally scrapped. The engine can easily be used for UCAVs, plus the engine has potential to be used as marine turbines.

 

[Chinese Century]

anyone with half a brain knew this would happen.
indians just dont have the technical capability to build their own engines. they certainly cannot innovate and they dont even have the basic capability to reverse engineer. they are at the bottom rung.

they laugh at our engine ws-10 (which is already in the j-11b), while their own one cant even get off the ground.
utter humiliation to the boasting 81'ers.

this is typical indians, they brag alot but when it comes to actually delivering results, these guys must be the worst out of all the 200 countries on this planet.
eg. commonwealth games farce, high gdp growth to overtake china, mumbai to overtake shanghai in 5 years, retail FDI promises, kaveri engine farce, etc

one failure after another. no wonder they are such a primitive country with more poverty than africa. just sums up their country and their people and their culture in general. they are number 1 at boasting and promising grand things, but fire blanks pretty much every single time on those promises.

even that agni v missile was a glorified IRBM, yet they boast as if its an ICBM. they boast about their space launch capabilties and how by 2015 they will send a man to space, yet now we hear some clown from their space agency saying it will be 2020 before that happens. well if they say 2020, then we can safely say it will be atleast 2030 before they put a man in space.

this is the same country that cant win 5 medals at an olympics but is the first to laugh at china.

as i said, this mentality of laughing at others while they are decades behind shows why india will always be a laughing stock.
india is nothing but a client state of america. their own people worship the white man like gods.

 

[Martian2]

Oh wow, I'm shocked.

India spent 23 years (since 1989) on the Kaveri engine and now, they're walking away?

Sheesh, give me all the schematics, prototypes, and the test data results.

I'll cobble together a group of Chinese engineers armed with abacuses. We can fix anything!

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"[T]he Kaveri had a tendency to 'throw' turbine blades, which required securing blades from SNECMA (as well as digital engine control systems).[6]"

"Among its deficiencies, CAG says the engine weight was higher than the design specifications (1235 kg against 1100 kg) and there was no progress on developing the compressor, turbine and engine control systems.[25]"

The Kaveri had been tested to a maximum of 0.7 Mach.

"'In recent times, the engine has been able to produce thrust of 82 Kilo Newton but what the IAF and other stake-holders desire is power between 90—95 KN', senior officials told The Hindu."

Reference: GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Chinese WS-10A turbofan engine produces 132 KiloNewtons of thrust

China's WS-10A engine (with gearbox at the bottom) is designed to power the J-10B Vigorous Dragon fighter. This version of the WS-10A turbofan engine is said to have 13.2 ton maximum thrust. There are several wrapped engines near the floor.

To put things in perspective, China's WS-10A engine produces 132 KiloNewtons of thrust. The in-limbo Indian Kaveri engine can only manage 82 KiloNewtons.

The Chinese WS-10G engine, which is currently undergoing reliability tests, can produce 155 KiloNewtons. It's the equivalent of two Kaveri engines.

Shenyang WS-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Variants

WS-10 - original design producing a thrust of 126 kilonewtons (28,000 lbf)
WS-10A - upgraded variant producing a thrust of 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)
WS-10B - upgraded thrust-vectored variant producing a thrust of 132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)
WS-10G - upgraded variant producing a thrust of 155 kilonewtons (35,000 lbf) with Thrust Vectoring and stealthy nozzles that have jagged edges and tiles"

[Note: Thank you to Pinko for the picture and caption for the WS-10A engine.]

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A Chinese WS-15 turbofan engine for J-20 Mighty Dragon produces 180 KiloNewtons of thrust

China's WS-15 turbofan engine for J-20 Mighty Dragon produces 18 tons of thrust.

For comparison, each of the Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines that power the F-22 produces only 156 KiloNewtons of thrust. However, the F-22 is a smaller and lighter plane than the J-20.

WS15

"WS15 turbofan

The core engine for the WS-15 engine was first tested in April 2005. The demonstrator was developed successfully and the prototype WS-15 was running smoothly. China is undoubtedly far behind Russian engine technology. Nonetheless, China has produced the WS-9 engine for the JH-7, the WS-10A engine for J-10, and the WS-15 for the new J-20 fourth generation stealth fighter. The WS-9 and WS-10A were both usable, and without the WS-10A China would not have negotiated J-10 orders with PAF."

WS-15

"WS-15

Program Status: Under Development
IOC: 2020
Origin: China

Description: The WS-15 is a Chinese advanced turbofan intended to power fifth generation fighter aircraft. The WS-15 thrust may exceed 18,000 kg and is intended to power the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) J-20 twin-engine stealth aircraft and the J-12 single engine stealth fighter.

Applications:

Strike & Fighter Aircraft"

Reference for Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engine performance: Pratt & Whitney F119

[Note: Thank you to Greyboy2 for the picture.]

 

[KRAIT]

^^ Cheap show off....

BTW Kaveri will be used.

 

[ChinaToday]

anyone with half a brain knew this would happen.
indians just dont have the technical capability to build their own engines. they certainly cannot innovate and they dont even have the basic capability to reverse engineer. they are at the bottom rung.

they laugh at our engine ws-10 (which is already in the j-11b), while their own one cant even get off the ground.
utter humiliation to the boasting 81'ers.

this is typical indians, they brag alot but when it comes to actually delivering results, these guys must be the worst out of all the 200 countries on this planet.
eg. commonwealth games farce, high gdp growth to overtake china, mumbai to overtake shanghai in 5 years, retail FDI promises, kaveri engine farce, etc

one failure after another. no wonder they are such a primitive country with more poverty than africa. just sums up their country and their people and their culture in general. they are number 1 at boasting and promising grand things, but fire blanks pretty much every single time on those promises.

even that agni v missile was a glorified IRBM, yet they boast as if its an ICBM. they boast about their space laun capabilties and how by 2015 they will send a man to space, yet now we hear some clown from their space agency saying it will be 2029 before that happens. well if they say 2020, then we can safely say it will be atleast 2030 before they put a man in space.

this is the same country that cant win 5 medals at an olympics but is the first to laugh at china.

as i said, this mentality of laughing at others while they are decades behind shows why india will always be a laughing stock.
india is nothing but a client state of america. their own people worship the white man like gods.

To sum it up they are only good at two things

!) bragging
2) playing the cheerleader role for their white master

 

[Ulysses]

If India would be more Pro Western we would gladly help her...... it's to bad

 

[shuttler]

Actually it's a good news for indian pilots.

no it doesnt matter if its a new plane or old. its the quality of the pilots that sucks. big time. can someone track down a report saying indians massive record breaking plane crashes are due to human errors !?! RIP RIP RIP ...

 

[shuttler]

anyone with half a brain knew this would happen.
indians just dont have the technical capability to build their own engines. they certainly cannot innovate and they dont even have the basic capability to reverse engineer. they are at the bottom rung.

they laugh at our engine ws-10 (which is already in the j-11b), while their own one cant even get off the ground.
utter humiliation to the boasting 81'ers.

this is typical indians, they brag alot but when it comes to actually delivering results, these guys must be the worst out of all the 200 countries on this planet.
eg. commonwealth games farce, high gdp growth to overtake china, mumbai to overtake shanghai in 5 years, retail FDI promises, kaveri engine farce, etc

one failure after another. no wonder they are such a primitive country with more poverty than africa. just sums up their country and their people and their culture in general. they are number 1 at boasting and promising grand things, but fire blanks pretty much every single time on those promises.

even that agni v missile was a glorified IRBM, yet they boast as if its an ICBM. they boast about their space laun capabilties and how by 2015 they will send a man to space, yet now we hear some clown from their space agency saying it will be 2029 before that happens. well if they say 2020, then we can safely say it will be atleast 2030 before they put a man in space.

this is the same country that cant win 5 medals at an olympics but is the first to laugh at china.

as i said, this mentality of laughing at others while they are decades behind shows why india will always be a laughing stock.
india is nothing but a client state of america. their own people worship the white man like gods.

and the a-junk tank, Leaking Cockpit Aircraft!

how can we help these poor low IQs but massively arrogant people for the sake of a better world? their ambitions are always way over their ability? or like Martian2 said, we could send a team of junior engineers to fix their problems on condition of their return of South Xizang! But these bunch of guys have almost every assistance from france, russia, israel ... and still cant lay an egg? what a pity!

To sum it up they are only good at two things

!) bragging
2) playing the cheerleader role for their white master

I should have it patented!

 

[laman12345]

and the a-junk tank, Leaking Cockpit Aircraft!
these bunch of guys have almost every assistance from france, russia, israel ... and still cant lay an egg? what a pity!

sad but very true

 

[Martian2]

^^ Cheap show off....

BTW Kaveri will be used.

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