India scouted for Israeli arms in South Africa: Spy Cables

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India was looking to buy Israeli weapons “covertly” through “a parallel procurement system” via South Africa from companies fronted by former Mossad agents, according to South African intelligence documents obtained by The Guardian and Al-Jazeera. “The initial investigation into Indian procurement identified a shopping list to procure inter alia nuclear, chemical, laser and conventional warfare technologies and hardware in the RSA (Republic of South Africa) market,” notes one of the documents. Labelled as Spy Cables, these documents span a period from 2006 to 2014 and expose the overlapping interests of various intelligence agencies. One document suggests that in June 2013, while Israel’s then President Shimon Peres voiced concern over Iran’s nuclear programme and asked New Delhi not to remain “neutral”, an unnamed Israeli agent was in touch with India to sell weapons through a South African entity. “An Israeli procurement agent in the RSA (name redacted) acts as the Israeli link for the supply of Israeli armaments to selected countries inter alia India,” the document claims. “India has an excellent trade relationship with the RSA, however, according to the source India accepted the fact that the RSA would not necessarily sell them sensitive technology or equipment. India has therefore set up a parallel procurement system to obtain goods or technology covertly. This system is also used to verify prices on equipment or technology,” it adds. “On their attempt to acquire early warning and trigger systems for their rockets, India has made contact with an Israeli procurement agent [name redacted] in the RSA. It was established through operations that [name redacted] has also strong links with MOSSAD. [Name redacted] has a company [name redacted] operated by Ex-Mossad members and if compromised, would not create a possible embarrassment for the Israeli government,” the document states. Al-Jazeera said that they have redacted certain names and sections to achieve “greater transparency without revealing the identities of undercover operatives” and to prevent any “threat to the public”. In the past decade alone, Israeli defence sales to India have surpassed US$10bn. By 2013, Israel had become India’s second-largest supplier of arms; in 2009, it even briefly overtook Russia, India’s largest and the oldest defence supplier.


India scouted for Israeli arms in South Africa: Spy Cables | The Indian Express

 

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Looks like a but hurt al jazeera coming up with the usual bs.

 

[WAJsal]

Looks like a but hurt al jazeera coming up with the usual bs.

The source is Indian Express,Einstein.

 

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The source is Indian Express,Einstein.

Quoting al jazeera.

 

[SpArK]

Whats so sensational here?

India buying from Isreal??/

Is it new?

 

[WAJsal]

Quoting al jazeera.

And The Gardian.

 

[That Guy]

Looks like a but hurt al jazeera coming up with the usual bs.

Considering that it is backed up by the guardian, I highly doubt this is bullshit. Why are you surprised that india is engaged in covert activity? All nations with active military and Intel agencies do similar things.

India is doing what is in its interest, and to act surprised is odd to say the least.

Whats so sensational here?

India buying from Isreal??/

Is it new?

They're buying sensitive tech, such as nuclear and chemical, both of which would send alarm bells ringing internationally,considering that both are heavily regulated under international treaty.

 

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Considering that it is backed up by the guardian, I highly doubt this is bullshit. Why are you surprised that india is engaged in covert activity? All nations with active military and Intel agencies do similar things.


They're buying sensitive tech, such as nuclear and chemical, both of which would send alarm bells ringing internationally,considering that both are heavily regulated under international treaty.

Dealing with Ex mossad agents in SOUTH AFRICA..?

It isn't as if Israel is alien to us and there is travel restrictions between India and Israel. .Infact thousands of people travel to and fro.

Of course it sounds like bs.

 

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Spy Cables: 'China behind S Africa nuclear break-ins'

 

[janon]

Considering that it is backed up by the guardian, I highly doubt this is bullshit. Why are you surprised that india is engaged in covert activity? All nations with active military and Intel agencies do similar things.

It is very dubious. The article states that India was shopping for "nuclear, chemical and conventional weapons" from Israel. Israel is already one of our biggest arms suppliers (second, I believe). Why would we need to buy conventional weapons covertly from them? As for nuclear tech, what excatly can Israel give India? India already has two working designs for nuclear explosives. Israel, even if it secretly has nukes, would be using a different design. Unless India was purchasing the design of their weapons (which is rather pointless when India already has her own), I don't see what India could buy from them. As for chemical weapons - as a former army chief has stated, a country that has nuclear weapons has absolutely no need for chemical weapons. India has been destroying her stockpile since 1992, and it makes no sense to be covertly purchasing something which we don't need, and can easily manufacture ourselves if necessary.

 

[That Guy]

It is very dubious. The article states that India was shopping for "nuclear, chemical and conventional weapons" from Israel. Israel is already one of our biggest arms suppliers (second, I believe). Why would we need to buy conventional weapons covertly from them? As for nuclear tech, what excatly can Israel give India? India already has two working designs for nuclear explosives. Israel, even if it secretly has nukes, would be using a different design. Unless India was purchasing the design of their weapons (which is rather pointless when India already has her own), I don't see what India could buy from them. As for chemical weapons - as a former army chief has stated, a country that has nuclear weapons has absolutely no need for chemical weapons. India has been destroying her stockpile since 1992, and it makes no sense to be covertly purchasing something which we don't need, and can easily manufacture ourselves if necessary.

It's not dubious at all. The reason why its done covertly is, as I explained before, because of the sensitive nature of nuclear and chemical technology.

Next, just because you have technology to deliver nukes, it does not mean that it cannot be improved. Tech becomes old and obsolete, India, no doubt, would love to gain Israeli expertise, as they're far ahead India and Pakistan in this matter: The same argument can be made for chemical weapons. Just because the US and Russia are destroying their nuclear stock pile, it doesn't mean they aren't creating newer delivery method for the stockpile they have left, It's simply a reality.

There is no dubiousness about these claims, and India would be foolish to NOT engage in these covert activities. India may act prim and proper, but in the end, its still engaged in the same dirty game as every other regional and global power, whom also pretend to be prim and proper.

 

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India was looking to buy Israeli weapons “covertly” through “a parallel procurement system” via South Africa from companies fronted by former Mossad agents, according to South African intelligence documents obtained by The Guardian and Al-Jazeera. “The initial investigation into Indian procurement identified a shopping list to procure inter alia nuclear, chemical, laser and conventional warfare technologies and hardware in the RSA (Republic of South Africa) market,” notes one of the documents. Labelled as Spy Cables, these documents span a period from 2006 to 2014 and expose the overlapping interests of various intelligence agencies. One document suggests that in June 2013, while Israel’s then President Shimon Peres voiced concern over Iran’s nuclear programme and asked New Delhi not to remain “neutral”, an unnamed Israeli agent was in touch with India to sell weapons through a South African entity. “An Israeli procurement agent in the RSA (name redacted) acts as the Israeli link for the supply of Israeli armaments to selected countries inter alia India,” the document claims. “India has an excellent trade relationship with the RSA, however, according to the source India accepted the fact that the RSA would not necessarily sell them sensitive technology or equipment. India has therefore set up a parallel procurement system to obtain goods or technology covertly. This system is also used to verify prices on equipment or technology,” it adds. “On their attempt to acquire early warning and trigger systems for their rockets, India has made contact with an Israeli procurement agent [name redacted] in the RSA. It was established through operations that [name redacted] has also strong links with MOSSAD. [Name redacted] has a company [name redacted] operated by Ex-Mossad members and if compromised, would not create a possible embarrassment for the Israeli government,” the document states. Al-Jazeera said that they have redacted certain names and sections to achieve “greater transparency without revealing the identities of undercover operatives” and to prevent any “threat to the public”. In the past decade alone, Israeli defence sales to India have surpassed US$10bn. By 2013, Israel had become India’s second-largest supplier of arms; in 2009, it even briefly overtook Russia, India’s largest and the oldest defence supplier.


India scouted for Israeli arms in South Africa: Spy Cables | The Indian Express

Al Jazeera is very Butt hurt right now

 

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Al Jazeera is very Butt hurt right now

Isis supporters.

It's not dubious at all. The reason why its done covertly is, as I explained before, because of the sensitive nature of nuclear and chemical technology.

Next, just because you have technology to deliver nukes, it does not mean that it cannot be improved. Tech becomes old and obsolete, India, no doubt, would love to gain Israeli expertise, as they're far ahead India and Pakistan in this matter: The same argument can be made for chemical weapons. Just because the US and Russia are destroying their nuclear stock pile, it doesn't mean they aren't creating newer delivery method for the stockpile they have left, It's simply a reality.

There is no dubiousness about these claims, and India would be foolish to NOT engage in these covert activities. India may act prim and proper, but in the end, its still engaged in the same dirty game as every other regional and global power, whom also pretend to be prim and proper.

How is Israel far ahead than India in nuclear tech?..we tested nukes back in 74. We are on the verge of coming out with our own reactors. We even have nuke reactors for subs.

 

[That Guy]

Isis supporters.



How is Israel far ahead than India in nuclear tech?..we tested nukes back in 74. We are on the verge of coming out with our own reactors. We even have nuke reactors for subs.

In terms of delivery methods? Israel is far ahead. Their Jericho icbms are far ahead of anything Pakistan or India gave ever produced. It doesn't matter who starts first, results are all that matter, and Israel has results.

 

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In terms of delivery methods? Israel is far ahead. Their Jericho icbms are far ahead of anything Pakistan or India gave ever produced. It doesn't matter who starts first, results are all that matter, and Israel has results.

I guess you were talking about nuke tech. Delivery method..sure..But there's direct collaboration there in that field.