India’s secret ICBM ambitions

[Squallmao]

It is funny to see ABCD (Indians in the US) trying to desperately cut down the range of India's ICBMs to 8500 km.

1. India already test fired Agni III technology demonstrator. Agni III is an ICBM. Range depends on the payload. 50 % reduction in payload can double the range. Main stream media is usually given the maximum payload data.

Agni III range goes like this. source : Arun vishvakarma (Bharat Rakshak)

3500 km @ 1500 kg

7000 km @ 700 kg

14,000 km @ 350 kg (Thermo-nuclear payload )

Congratulations! we got an "average"Indian here, I'm happy we have an average Indian like you.

Let me help u, the list goes on:

28,000km @ 175kg

56,000km @ 87kg

112,000km @ 44kg

..........

4,900,000km @ 1kg

India not only has an "ICBM", but an "IUBM"(Inter-Universe Ballistic Missile), I'm so worried India may attack Mars someday.

LOL, anyway, your post made my day, I'm translating it to post on Chinese forum.

 

[indiansoldier1999]

at last we got a dumb panda here !!

but lesson on thermo-nuclear payload can be a bit too much for a dumb panda !!

 

[BanglaBhoot]

By Zachary Keck

September 19, 2013

India is beginning to develop a new, longer range nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) local media reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources.

A scientist with the Defense Research and Development Organization, India’s military technology agency, told The New Indian Express that DRDO is secretly developing a missile with an initial range of 6,000 km (3,728 miles). Currently, India’s longest range ballistic missile is the Agni-V, which has a range of about 5,000 km.

The same source said that the missile that is under development as the Agni-VI, but which will ultimately be called Surya, could eventually be extended to have a range of 10,000 km (6,213 miles).

Earlier this week DRDO chief Avinash Chander had said that India was capable of developing a missile with a range of 10,000 km within two and a half years if necessary. He also suggested that Delhi was not interested in utilizing this capability.

“Range is the least problematic area,” Chander said, according to The Times of India. “We have the full capability to go to any range…it's just a question of additional propellant and larger motors. But, as of now, we don't see the need for a higher range.”

The reports comes just days after DRDO successfully tested the Agni-V for the second time. The first test was back in April of last year. The Agni-V allows India to hold many of China’s largest cities under threat from its nuclear arsenal for the first time. As such, it is often called the "China killer" by India’s media.

Although the Indian media often refers to the Agni-V as an ICBM, its range of 5,000 km is slightly less than the international standard for an ICBM, which is 5,500 km. Thus, Surya will technically be India’s first ICBM.

As previously reported, India has been working on equipping the Agni-V with multiple independent re-entry vehicles (MIRV) that would give it the ability to carry multiple nuclear warheads on a single missile. The scientist who spoke with The New Indian Express on Wednesday said that Surya would be made slightly heavier in order to carry even more nuclear warheads.

“While Agni-V can carry up to three nuclear warheads, the next missile in the series can carry up to 10 nuclear warheads, capable of hitting multiple targets,” the DRDO scientist said, according to The New Indian Express.

The same report suggested that the Surya will be ready for testing within three years.

This indicates that development of the missile may be encountering difficulties. The first reports of the Agni-VI’s existence from earlier this year suggested that development would take just two years. Those initial reports also said that the Agni-VI’s initial strike range would be between 8,000 and 10,000 km, instead of the 6,000 km reported on Wednesday.

India Is Developing Its First “Real” ICBM | Flashpoints | The Diplomat

 

[Black Eagle 90]

So before that all were Russians? being assembled in India with Russian help????

 

[Nisha]

So before that all were Russians? being assembled in India with Russian help????

No Russian help for our missiles. India is quite capable in many spheres, its our gov;t that holds back development. Don;t believe the hype. A lot of haters will say otherwise....but we weren;t the center of the world for centuries for nothing.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

So before that all were Russians? being assembled in India with Russian help????

I guess you are still to know about the Missile Technology Control Regime that prevents the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload at least 300 km. The reason why the Indo-Russian BrahMos (both 1 and 2) missile didn't exceed the range of 290 kms. nor any such project ever will.

After India test-fired the first Prithvi missile in 1988, and the Agni missile in 1989, the Missile Technology Control Regime (then an informal grouping established in 1987 by Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States) decided to restrict access to any technology that would help India in its missile development program. Some of the major technology which was denied, included:-

(01) phase shifters for the phased array radars for Akash (denied by the USA).
(02) magnesium alloy used in Prithvi's wings (denied by Germany).
(03) servo-valves needed for the electro-hydraulic control systems of Agni and Prithvi.
(04) gyroscopes and accelerators (denied by France).
(05) processors – Intel said it would not give India chips for the computers used in Prithvi and Agni.

In 1986, the DRDO needed a super computer for speedy designing of missiles and aircraft. Father of the IGMDP Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and the then Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister visited the Pentagon in the U.S.A. to buy the CRAY-XMP super computer which had 55 Mega Flops capability. The Pentagon refused to sell this computer, not only to DRDO but also to the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Undeterred, DRDO established an exclusive facility for development of fast processing computer, and within three years, developed a super computer of a class comparable to the CRAY-XMP.

In 1963, DRDO started the first indigenous anti tank missile programme which started here and was later shifted later to Hyderabad. In 1963-64, we started indigenous anti-tank missile programme. DRDO even had to assemble a nine volt dry cell to power the missile in the lab. The famous Exide which was making automobile batteries was not in a position to do anything. There was no industry both in the country private and public sectors that could have helped DRDO in doing anything.

To counter the MTCR, the IGMDP team formed a consortium of DRDO laboratories, industries and academic institutions to build these sub-systems, components and materials. Though this slowed down the progress of the program, India successfully developed indigenously all the restricted components denied to it by the MTCR. Undoubtedly, the MTCR and other control regimes affected the progress of ISRO’s launch vehicles and DRDO’s IGMDP; the reason why India is still lagging behind in such areas with respect to China which had the Russian support ever at its disposal.

Source(s):- Integrated Guided Missile Development Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Guided Missiles of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Missile Technology Control Regime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Career of Dr. A. P. J. Kalam III
Eyeing China, India to enter ICBM club in 3 months - Times Of India
Frontline : In-depth analysis of issues and events in India and around the world

India's Ballistic Missile Programme is around 90% indigenous without any foreign collaboration in any form.

 

[faithfulguy]

I guess you are still to know about the Missile Technology Control Regime that prevents the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload at least 300 km. The reason why the Indo-Russian BrahMos (both 1 and 2) missile didn't exceed the range of 290 kms. nor any such project ever will.

After India test-fired the first Prithvi missile in 1988, and the Agni missile in 1989, the Missile Technology Control Regime (then an informal grouping established in 1987 by Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States) decided to restrict access to any technology that would help India in its missile development program. Some of the major technology which was denied, included:-

(01) phase shifters for the phased array radars for Akash (denied by the USA).
(02) magnesium alloy used in Prithvi's wings (denied by Germany).
(03) servo-valves needed for the electro-hydraulic control systems of Agni and Prithvi.
(04) gyroscopes and accelerators (denied by France).
(05) processors – Intel said it would not give India chips for the computers used in Prithvi and Agni.

In 1986, the DRDO needed a super computer for speedy designing of missiles and aircraft. Kalam and the then Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister visited the Pentagon in the U.S.A. to buy the CRAY-XMP super computer which had 55 Mega Flops capability. The Pentagon refused to sell this computer, not only to DRDO but also to the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Undeterred, DRDO established an exclusive facility for development of fast processing computer, and within three years, developed a super computer of a class comparable to the CRAY-XMP.

To counter the MTCR, the IGMDP team formed a consortium of DRDO laboratories, industries and academic institutions to build these sub-systems, components and materials. Though this slowed down the progress of the program, India successfully developed indigenously all the restricted components denied to it by the MTCR. Undoubtedly, the MTCR and other control regimes affected the progress of ISRO’s launch vehicles and DRDO’s IGMDP; the reason why India is still lagging behind in such areas with respect to China which had the Russian support ever at its disposal.

Source(s):- Integrated Guided Missile Development Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Guided Missiles of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Missile Technology Control Regime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Career of Dr. A. P. J. Kalam III
Eyeing China, India to enter ICBM club in 3 months - Times Of India
Frontline : In-depth analysis of issues and events in India and around the world

India's Ballistic Missile Programme is around 90% indigenous without any foreign collaboration in any form. Yes indeed India is struggling with its Guidance system for which some help will be taken from the US and Russia in the future, if they do so which I guess they will certainly do. If not the US then may be Russia but still India's Ballistic Missile Programme is 90% indigenous in all respect.

Wawa wuwu, Indians should develop its own weapons then constantly whine about how others would not share technology with you guys. Grow up for once.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Wawa wuwu, Indians should develop its own weapons then constantly whine about how others would not share technology with you guys. Grow up for once.

So here comes a troller who is famous for giving his free and absurd advices on every topic he catches... @Black Eagle 90 ought an explanation as to why what he thinks is wrong, Its always better to provide proper sources and explanations to prove a point than to put up such troll one-lines as you always do....

Wawa wuwu, a troller whines to see how his absurd opinions brought down..... Grow up for once mate or rather go get a life
@faithfulguy Well I dont know who is whining but certainly we all know whose @$$ just burned

 

[ssethii]

So you mean to say India hasn't developed an ICBM yet with all those years of working and amount of money consumed by their BM program. We should thank God a zillion time for giving us such a lousy neighbor(read enemy).

 

[Tambram]

So you mean to say India hasn't developed an ICBM yet with all those years of working and amount of money consumed by their BM program. We should thank God a zillion time for giving us such a lousy neighbor(read enemy).

The ICBM is not even directed at you since Pakistan can be taken care by much lesser missiles. Your country nowadays hardly features in any strategic discussion. Pakistan is considered a closed chapter - a minor irritant which is receding even further as time goes by. ICBM development is entirely China centric and with the testing of 8000 km, MIRV capable Agni-V, strategic parity has been attained with it too.

 

[GR!FF!N]

So you mean to say India hasn't developed an ICBM yet with all those years of working and amount of money consumed by their BM program. We should thank God a zillion time for giving us such a lousy neighbor(read enemy).

we don't need an ICBM to bomb Pakistan,right??its only for China..

 

[faithfulguy]

So you mean to say India hasn't developed an ICBM yet with all those years of working and amount of money consumed by their BM program. We should thank God a zillion time for giving us such a lousy neighbor(read enemy).

India has no miniaturize warheads. So even if it develop an ICBM, there is no warhead to mount on it. A Hiroshima type bomb is all India have.

The ICBM is not even directed at you since Pakistan can be taken care by much lesser missiles. Your country nowadays hardly features in any strategic discussion. Pakistan is considered a closed chapter - a minor irritant which is receding even further as time goes by. ICBM development is entirely China centric and with the testing of 8000 km, MIRV capable Agni-V, strategic parity has been attained with it too.

First of all, Agni-V is not MIRV capable. Also, India has no miniaturized warheads. So it would need to put a Hiroshima size bomb in the missile. The missile is not going to fly that far. No wonder India could not develop MIRV and needs a heavy weight missile for a shorter distance attack.

 

[Foo_Fighter]

So the other one Agni V was fake ICBM... hmmm.....

 

[faithfulguy]

So here comes a troller who is famous for giving his free and absurd advices on every topic he catches... @Black Eagle 90 ought an explanation as to why what he thinks is wrong, Its always better to provide proper sources and explanations to prove a point than to put up such troll one-lines as you always do....

Wawa wuwu, a troller whines to see how his absurd opinions brought down..... Grow up for once mate or rather go get a life
@faithfulguy Well I dont know who is whining but certainly we all know whose @$$ just burned

You are the one posting articles giving excuse on how it has no advances because of sanctions. Why couldn't India do something by itself.

 

[ssethii]

The ICBM is not even directed at you since Pakistan can be taken care by much lesser missiles. Your country nowadays hardly features in any strategic discussion. Pakistan is considered a closed chapter - a minor irritant which is receding even further as time goes by. ICBM development is entirely China centric and with the testing of 8000 km, MIRV capable Agni-V, strategic parity has been attained with it too.

And your organizations are just good at starting projects each day without completing previous ones. Nice way to engage Average Indians to keep feeding them with their hard earned money.