INDIA 's Nuclear military capability-A FULL Analysis..

[vsdave2302]

how you got that information

From an interview of one BARC scientist at the time nuclear test in Pokhran in 1998.

 

[Pulsar]

The game changer on India's part will be the invention FAST BREEDER REACTOR.
Once it is done then according to experts India can produce 700 warheads annually.

700 warheads annually!!! Wow!

That's like smashing an eggshell with a hammer!! And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to guess where the 'eggshell' is!!

 

[vsdave2302]

Regarding the tritium, there was an article in TOI. India has gathered a huge quantity weighing in hundreds of kilograms from a very specialized techaniq wich Americans tried and failed. Few grams of tritium is enough for one thermo nuclear device. @locker can educate us more on the subject metter.

 

[locker]

Seeker on Surface to surface missile? Are you talking of terminal guidance?

How can it be sleeker? That shall substentially increase the heoght of missile. It shall be fatter may be with all composite. Avinash chander said that warheads released from missile may futher travel to 1000 KM. So effectively the range shall be 7000 KM + atleast.

I meant was sleeker.
The programme is a long process in which Agni series is beijg installed with new technology and composites in order to make it thin so that it should not be reduced to certain terrains.
Yes the warheads will not be unitary.
The modern ICBM feature separating warhead buses.
The MIRVes buses will be able to strike targets beyond the missiles range because of its the bus can maneuver and glide to extended range than the missiles range.

Regarding the tritium, there was an article in TOI. India has gathered a huge quantity weighing in hundreds of kilograms from a very specialized techaniq wich Americans tried and failed. Few grams of tritium is enough for one thermo nuclear device. @locker can educate us more on the subject metter.

Yep the Mysore plant is specially to for tritium.
Whenever any Fusion bomb is being made it releases Tritium or Lithium
Tritium is used in modern TN which are two stage Fusion/H bomb. Which uses Tritium as a fusion fuel to start the fusion reaction.
We will become the leader inbtritium production because of our technology.
The tritium from Mysore plant can be used in FBR to make TN, fusion boosted fission bombs.
FBR breeds more energy than it consumes. So using tritium in this device will give us 'n' number of bombs and which will also be efficient.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Perhaps what i understand is the present Agni 5 being a direct derivative of Agni 3 is a bulky in size..Lemme show the illustration

This is fan art that was shown before Agni 5 was shown.

Agni 5 doesnt have welds separating each stage.

 

[vsdave2302]

I meant was sleeker.
The programme is a long process in which Agni series is beijg installed with new technology and composites in order to make it thin so that it should not be reduced to certain terrains.
Yes the warheads will not be unitary.
The modern ICBM feature separating warhead buses.
The MIRVes buses will be able to strike targets beyond the missiles range because of its the bus can maneuver and glide to extended range than the missiles range.

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Sleeker missile means more length to acomodate the required fuel and lower dia motor which shall generate lower power. Ths means lower velocity and higher consumption in gravitational force area. It seems impractical to me.
Missile shall.

The new maysore plant (if you are talking about) is i think uranium purification plant and not the plant to extract tritium from heavy water. There is an article on PDF quoting american think tank regarding maysore plant, This lant shall generate sufficient fuel to fuel our whole N submarine fleet as well as make 30 N bomb.

This is fan art that was shown before Agni 5 was shown.

Agni 5 doesnt have welds separating each stage.

All 4 are real pictures. About which FAn art are you talking about?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

All 4 are real pictures. About which FAn art are you talking about?

The image I quoted, which has welds separating each stage.

 

[vsdave2302]

The image I quoted, which has welds separating each stage.

you posted 4 images and all seems real.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

you posted 4 images and all seems real.

Im talking about the fan art I quoted. The images I posted are real.

 

[vsdave2302]

Perhaps what i understand is the present Agni 5 being a direct derivative of Agni 3 is a bulky in size..Lemme show the illustration

Whereas Agni4 beinga derivative of Agni 2 is sleeker and less bulky as lots of weight ahs been actually stripped off as part of "sleek" missile. Agni 2 weighs around 18 tonnes whereas Agni 4 around 17 tonnes. Yet the range vs payload wise the increase in distance of coverage has helped Agni 4.

Agni 5 by contrast is a behemoth at 50 tonnes. Thus this missile becomes completely suitable only from land usage .. meaning either silos or via specialised trains. A comparision versus other missile shows a similar weight missile ranges warhead and weight.

I firmly believe Agni 6 may be taking over the Agni 4 design features. Perhaps using Agni 5 to change the mass and enabling it to fit into a submarine thereby completely achieveing the triad's lethality. Of course with MIRVs.

While researching i did find something. i am pasting it here
"In May 2008 Indian scientists of DRDO had announced that they have crafted and roped a path-breaking technology that increases the range of Indian missiles and satellite launch vehicles by minimum 40 per cent. The improved range is made possible by putting a special-purpose coating of chromium-based material to a rocket's blunt nose cone.

The chromium-based material acts as a reactive-ablative coating that forms a thin low density gaseous layer at the tip of the rocket as it touches the hypersonic level; this super-heated gas layer reduces drag by 47 percent, thereby allowing range enhancements at least 40 percentage point It has been confirmed that this technology will be incorporated in the upcoming Agni deployments after having undergone ranging and calibration tests."


Interestingly why not utilise this tech to other missiles also needs to be seen. I am sure this can enhance most of missile ranges by a good max 40%. The only question how many missiles of india achieves say hypersonic speed at terminal ranges or during flight? any details would be appreciated.

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A 5 is not a 50 tom missile but just a 26 Ton missile. You may remember that earlier A3 was termed as a 48 ton weight missile but the weight was reduced to 22 tons. Same way A5s weight is reduced to 23 or 26 tons. It shall still reduce with the arrival of composite moter in its 1st stage.

 

[locker]

Sleeker missile means more length to acomodate the required fuel and lower dia motor which shall generate lower power. Ths means lower velocity and higher consumption in gravitational force area. It seems impractical to me.
Missile shall.

you need to understand that ICBMs have multiple state.
The Agni 5 has been designed with the addition of the third composite state unlike Agni3
If you look at american ICBMs Minuteman, Peacekeeper, they all are more than one stage despite being not bulky as our Agni series
If a missile has more than one stage there may be more than one boost phase interspersed with several ballistic (coasting) phases where the missile follows its trajectory.

The new maysore plant (if you are talking about) is i think uranium purification plant and not the plant to extract tritium from heavy water. There is an article on PDF quoting american think tank regarding maysore plant, This lant shall generate sufficient fuel to fuel our whole N submarine fleet as well as make 30 N bomb.

The enrichment will result in tritium production which can be used in SLBM for two stage TN weapons to aide our growing new nuclear submarines.

 

[vsdave2302]

you need to understand that ICBMs have multiple state.
The Agni 5 has been designed with the addition of the third composite state unlike Agni3
If you look at american ICBMs Minuteman, Peacekeeper, they all are more than one stage despite being not bulky as our Agni series
If a missile has more than one stage there may be more than one boost phase interspersed with several ballistic (coasting) phases where the missile follows its trajectory.
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There is no confusion about the stages. I am just arguing that Missile can not be very sleek. Because making them sleek would invariabally result into increasing the height of Missile to acomodate required fuel. Plus decreasing in dia of motor shall constraine Power generation. That is why A2 has 1 m dia motor, A4 has 1.3 m dia motor and A3 and A5 has 2 m DIa motor.
Agni series is not bulky. A4 is among the light weight long rane missile. Weight of A3 was reduced to 22 tom from Initial verson weighing 48 tons. A5s weight is also very low and in range of 23 to 26 tons.

The enrichment will result in tritium production which can be used in SLBM for two stage TN weapons to aide our growing new nuclear submarines.

Uranium enrichment is a process of separating U235 from other Urenium isotops. How can Tritium be produced out of that? More over what is the use of tritium in fueling the N submarine? We do not have a fusion reactors in which the tritium may be used as a fuel. We can only use Uranium and plutonium as the fuel.

Yes it can only be used in H bomb as a fuel.

 

[locker]

There is no confusion about the stages. I am just arguing that Missile can not be very sleek. Because making them sleek would invariabally result into increasing the height of Missile to acomodate required fuel. Plus decreasing in dia of motor shall constraine Power generation. That is why A2 has 1 m dia motor, A4 has 1.3 m dia motor and A3 and A5 has 2 m DIa motor.
Agni series is not bulky. A4 is among the light weight long rane missile. Weight of A3 was reduced to 22 tom from Initial verson weighing 48 tons. A5s weight is also very low and in range of 23 to 26 tons.

I said early Agni series were bulky as compared to new versions.
The new versions have been introduced with new guidance system replacing the older guidance systems used in older versions but because of our space capabilities we have reduced lot of mass of Agni series BM. Which are being tested every year. The major changes done are
1.The redundant navigation systems, very high accuracy Ring Laser Gyro based Inertial Navigation System (RINS) 2. the most modern and accurate Micro Navigation System (MINS) had ensured the missile reach the target point within a few meters of accuracy. The high speed onboard computer and fault tolerant software along with robust and reliable bus apart from these technologies the indigenous technology which were developed are incorporated in new Agni series have been navigation,guidance and Engine.

Uranium enrichment is a process of separating U235 from other Urenium isotops. How can Tritium be produced out of that? More over what is the use of tritium in fueling the N submarine? We do not have a fusion reactors in which the tritium may be used as a fuel. We can only use Uranium and plutonium as the fuel.

Why would tritium be used in N submarine? It will be used in SLBMs
No one has a fusion reactor yet in the world that's why tritium is being used for two stage TN especially in SLBMs.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

 

[PARIKRAMA]

what would be really an awesome achievement is when we get a SLBM with say 1200-1500 kg MIRV capability with range of around 6500 kms and the length and diameter is at par with either of K15/K4 types.. especially if we can fit that with almost identical K4 outer dimensions.. That could help us deploy them in any N platform...