India’s Moves and the Pakistani Puzzle

[IND151]

Arre bhai I was calling those LET JEM and SOME pak people stupid who think like this as even PAK was INDIA'S part once so by the same reason even we should do the same thing.

OK. and yes those people are hopeless.

 

[jha]

sorry i was angry.

but really this thread deserves many thanks. the article is well written.

Come again..? Thread opened for Thanks..?

 

[perplexed]

Come again..? Thread opened for Thanks..?

Leave him alone buddy. He was childish to say that which for which feels embarrassed already I guess.

 

[IND151]

i hope Indian government wakes from slumber.

 

[Nelson]

Arre bhai I was calling those LET JEM and SOME pak people stupid who think like this as even PAK was INDIA'S part once so by the same reason even we should do the same thing.

These some stupid people will also say that entire world was part of Pakistan, but who cares?

We should not do the same thing, rather we should just laugh at them.

Regards.

 

[coffin]

These some stupid people will also say that entire world was part of Pakistan, but who cares?

We should not do the same thing, rather we should just laugh at them.

Regards.

Yes completely agree but I think we should stick to topic
Umm I think with increase in global preasure Pak will take a wrong step like a war (even a nuke war for the worst).And such kind of step will not take indo pak relation towards peace not even close to it.

 

[IND151]

important thing is how we force Pakistani overlords to stop their proxy war through desperate measures but not risking war.

once Pakistani elites, ISI realizes that response to their proxy war will cost Pakistan hugely only then they will stop this.

we should launch media campaign against iron rule in Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

we should bribe international media to do so.

Pakistan does same so why not we?

 

[pmukherjee]

What should be India's response to Pakistan? Nothing. Precisely nothing. In the international scheme of things, Pakistan does not figure anywhere except as a minor irritant. India should try to foster good friendly relations with Pakistan. If that happens, only good can come of it. If that does not come about, just ignore them and go on. Pakistan is not a threat to India. It is meaningless to stay bogged down with Pakistan. We have to continue on the path we have taken of economic progress, with certain mid course corrections so that the benefits trickle down to all strata of the society. With economic progress will come greater military strength and global clout. India is destined for far greater things. We left Pakistan behind decades ago. All we need to leave behind now is the Pakistan centrism which exists in the mind of certain pre-partition era leaders and this percolates down the environment. We should not let Pakistan hold us back.

 

[Jade]

Indian foreign policy, military doctrine and the general security apparatus should not be Pakistani specific. If we want to be one of the pre-eminent world power, we have should not be bogged down by Pakistan. We should think beyond Pakistan.

 

[President Camacho]

Was such a long article, I first decided to read what the poster wanted us to read - bold parts.

There I encountered this multicolored piece -

Many Pakistani Muslims believe that India was their patrimony from the Mughal Empire – stolen from them by the British, who bequeathed it to undeserving Hindus. This is why the leaders of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT – ‘Army of the Pure&#8217 and the Jaish-e-Muhammed (JEM – the soldiers of Muhammed) dream of unfurling the Islamic green flag in the Red Fort in Delhi, as well as in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

And this is how I assess the intent and intellect of the author:

The reasoning begins with the statement "Many Pakistani Muslims believe that India was their patrimony from the Mughal Empire...". Next sentence goes on... "This is why...". The "why" plays the most important piece in this reasoning as it forms the justification for the premise - foundation of reasoning.

Then, the entire reasoning ends with the conclusion "...dream of unfurling the Islamic green flag in (at?) the Red Fort in Delhi, as well as in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem."

So, per the author, because the Pakistani Muslims think of India as their patrimony, they want unfurl their green flags in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?

Rather than stating facts or using proper reasoning for an honest analysis, the author is pushing for some personal agenda with all his/her intellectual capacity.

Didn't bother to read the article after that.

 

[IND151]

Was such a long article, I first decided to read what the poster wanted us to read - bold parts.

There I encountered this multicolored piece -


And this is how I assess the intent and intellect of the author:

The reasoning begins with the statement "Many Pakistani Muslims believe that India was their patrimony from the Mughal Empire...". Next sentence goes on... "This is why...". The "why" plays the most important piece in this reasoning as it forms the justification for the premise - foundation of reasoning.

Then, the entire reasoning ends with the conclusion "...dream of unfurling the Islamic green flag in (at?) the Red Fort in Delhi, as well as in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem."

So, per the author, because the Pakistani Muslims think of India as their patrimony, they want unfurl their green flags in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?

Rather than stating facts or using proper reasoning for an honest analysis, the author is pushing for some personal agenda with all his/her intellectual capacity.

Didn't bother to read the article after that.

article is lengthy.

even if you are right article has many well explained points.

for example

India still has several options to explore before having to confront the need for some overt military or covert intelligence action. It could restrict commercial transport and tourist links with Pakistan; downgrade diplomatic relations; urge arms exporters not to sell armaments to Pakistan on pain of being blacklisted from bidding for lucrative Indian tenders; be more aggressive against Pakistan in international lending institutions; and press for escalating UN sanctions under anti-terrorism conventions and relevant Security Council resolutions. Like Ronald Reagan vis-à-vis the old Soviet Union, India could use its superior economic performance and potential to bankrupt a parity-obsessed Pakistan.

and lets face it , every author has its own view and his article is affected by that view.

 

[Bang Galore]

Indian foreign policy, military doctrine and the general security apparatus should not be Pakistani specific. If we want to be one of the pre-eminent world power, we have should not be bogged down by Pakistan. We should think beyond Pakistan.

It has nothing to do with wanting to be "pre eminent world power". India must effectively create a "holding policy" with Pakistan simply because however much the idea of peace with Pakistan is desirable; it is simply not possible in the present circumstances. There is a complete mismatch of what India wants & can deliver with what Pakistan wants & can deliver. Attempting anything that may not have the backing of a majority of the people of each country is foolish & lies in fairyland territory. Our idea must be to insulate India as much as possible from whatever may get thrown our way from Pakistan. Eventually, we must hope that our economy makes others realise the futility of dreaming pipe dreams. As also said earlier, we must guard against an aging pre-partition born leadership from attempting to make peace by looking at the past rather than at the future. India & Indians have no interest in turning back the clock in a futile attempt to grasp a dead past.

 

[Tangent]

Was such a long article, I first decided to read what the poster wanted us to read - bold parts.

There I encountered this multicolored piece -


And this is how I assess the intent and intellect of the author:

The reasoning begins with the statement "Many Pakistani Muslims believe that India was their patrimony from the Mughal Empire...". Next sentence goes on... "This is why...". The "why" plays the most important piece in this reasoning as it forms the justification for the premise - foundation of reasoning.

Then, the entire reasoning ends with the conclusion "...dream of unfurling the Islamic green flag in (at?) the Red Fort in Delhi, as well as in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem."

So, per the author, because the Pakistani Muslims think of India as their patrimony, they want unfurl their green flags in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?
Rather than stating facts or using proper reasoning for an honest analysis, the author is pushing for some personal agenda with all his/her intellectual capacity

Why did you fail to read Delhi before Tel Aviv. ?
Case of selective reading ?
So Tel Aviv and Jerusulam is Personal agenda. But what about and Delhi ?...Fact ?

Didn't bother to read the article after that.

Indeed a case of selective reading.

 

[Abingdonboy]

i know sorry. i have already apologized.

Remember the main intention in opening a thread should be exchanging and sharing info not expecting something in return my friend.

yes pal, you create a lot of interesting threads but you seems to fill the comments with you urging people to thank you and extra posts to read the thread so that the thread remains at the top of the threads list. I thank you for your contribution in adding content but I wish you could change your approach to thread starting and commenting.

General rule of thumb- only comment if you think your comment enhances the discussion and moves on the conversation.

 

[perplexed]

Was such a long article, I first decided to read what the poster wanted us to read - bold parts.

There I encountered this multicolored piece -


And this is how I assess the intent and intellect of the author:

The reasoning begins with the statement "Many Pakistani Muslims believe that India was their patrimony from the Mughal Empire...". Next sentence goes on... "This is why...". The "why" plays the most important piece in this reasoning as it forms the justification for the premise - foundation of reasoning.

Then, the entire reasoning ends with the conclusion "...dream of unfurling the Islamic green flag in (at?) the Red Fort in Delhi, as well as in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem."

So, per the author, because the Pakistani Muslims think of India as their patrimony, they want unfurl their green flags in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?

Rather than stating facts or using proper reasoning for an honest analysis, the author is pushing for some personal agenda with all his/her intellectual capacity.

Didn't bother to read the article after that.

The article tries to justify the similarity of pak's proxy war more to Islamic jihad rather than some separatist movement.
What he meant was to highlight the tenets of Islamic Jihad ie similar to LeT, HuJI etc who want to unfurl green flag in Red Fort, New Delhi, there are
their counterparts like Hamas and Hezbollah who have similar aims regarding Tel Aviv.

Some of the arguments which the author gives are really convincing and well supported.