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India,s 50 NEW Damps/ Power stations in Kashmir alarm For Pak

India tests Agni...... 3-4 NASR will take care of it...

India goes to Mars................. We will fire a dozen NASR missiles

India inducts S400------- Fikar not.... NASR hai na

India wins Cricket World Cup............... NASR NASR NASR

Come an actual war....

India destroys NASR batteries and enforces a no fly zone throughout Pakistan (S400/ AWACS :partay: )............. We will launch 100 NASR... :man_in_love::help::help::alcoholic:oops !!!!

And that too on Pakistani soil.
 
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India is turning pakistan into a,desert jnch by inch ...

The indians sit on the top.....Eg saichen

They say its there water we decide what trickles to pakistan.

Thst is causing Pakistán great greif
 
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So far as constructing of DAM is concern, it is the right of India. So far as makning water available to Pakistan, We have provided sufficient water to Pakistan.
 
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May be India is build it strategic asset. They will use it for future bargain
 
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India is turning pakistan into a,desert jnch by inch ...

The indians sit on the top.....Eg saichen

They say its there water we decide what trickles to pakistan.

Thst is causing Pakistán great greif

How did you come to this conclusion?
 
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Jamaat declares Kalabagh dam ‘very dangerous’
Bureau Report — Updated Oct 16, 2015 10:21am

PESHAWAR: Declaring construction of Kalabagh dam ‘very dangerous’ for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the Jamaat-i-Islami on Thursday asked Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to categorically announce the abandoning of the controversial project.
On Wednesday, the Awami National Party had criticised the federal government, particularly Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, for ‘changing’ stand on Kalabagh dam and China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
JI provincial chief Professor Mohammad Ibrahim told a news conference at the Al-Markaz-i-Islami here that the federal government should follow the decisions of All-Party Conference and build eastern route of the CPEC in first phase.
He said political forces in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa had serious reservations about Kalabagh dam and CPEC.
Professor Ibrahim said ‘hypocritical policies’ of the federal government would force the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan to protest.
He said the constitutional rights of all federating units should be protected otherwise it would harm the federation.
“The federal government will be responsible for the fallout of such policies,” he said, adding that recent statements of federal ministers Khawaja Asif and Ahsan Iqbal in favour of Kalabagh dam and CPEC eastern route were inappropriate.
Professor Ibrahim said technically, Kalabagh dam was not feasible and that policymakers should not forget devastating flash floods in 2010 that played havoc across KP, especially Peshawar valley.
He said major portion of Peshawar valley had submerged in floodwaters though Kalabagh dam didn’t exist.
The JI leader said the building of Kalabagh dam had nothing to do with floods and four districts, including Peshawar, Mardan, Nowshera and Swabi, would go under water if the controversial water reservoir was built.
He said the Kabul River and its affiliated tributaries could not sustain medium level floods.
“The prime minister should publicly announce abandoning the Kalabagh dam project,” he said while asking Nawaz Sharif to stop his ministers from issuing controversial statements on any national issue.
Professor Ibrahim said the federal government had pointed out loadshedding as the prime reason for construction of Kalabagh dam.
He said KP had potential to generate around 50,000MW hydel electricity and therefore, the federal government should cooperate with the provincial government.
The JI leader said several feasibility reports had been completed for hydel power generation.
He said currently, construction of two hydel generation projects was underway in Chitral and Kohistan.
Professor Ibrahim said like KP and Balochistan, construction of western route of the CPEC would also facilitate China and that feasibility study was also completed but policymakers were insisting on construction of the eastern route.
He said such policies generated disharmony and sense of deprivation among smaller units of the federation.
The JI leader said Islam, democracy and federation were three basic principles of the Constitution and that JI won’t allow any party or power to change them.
Published in Dawn, October 16th, 2015
Jamaat declares Kalabagh dam ‘very dangerous’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Kalabagh Dam, six other water reservoirs being planned: Asif

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Water and Power Khawaja Muhammad Asif told the Senate on Tuesday that seven water reservoir projects, including the controversial Kalabagh Dam, were under consideration.
In a written reply to a question by PML-N Senator Nuzhat Sadiq, the minister also said that the detailed design and tender documents of the Kalabagh Dam had been completed since 1988 and the implementation/ construction work on the project could be started once a decision was taken by the government. He pointed out that four water projects, including the Pelar Dam, Papin Dam, Winder Dam and Garuk Dam, were ready for implementation.
The minister noted that five projects were under implementation, namely Darawat dam, Nai Gaj Dam, Kurram Tangi Dam, Naulong Dam and Diamer Basha Dam.Asif conceded it was a fact that during the monsoon season, the unused quantum of water flowed to the sea because of water storage constraints and the average (1976-2015) quantum of water annually escaping to the sea was 29.30 million acre feet (MAF).
The minister revealed that Wapda had prepared a comprehensive plan to take water during the high flow season and utilise the same during the lean season for agriculture and the generation of electricity and then he referred to projects that included the Kalabagh Dam, Akhori Dam and Shyok Dam.
Responding to queries by the treasury and opposition senators on the Mina tragedy and its aftermath, Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Sardar Muhammad Yousaf said that according to the latest information, the death toll of Pakistani pilgrims had hit 99, whereas 70 of these had been identified and 45 wounded discharged while two were still under treatment there.
During his statement, the opposition senators walked out of the House to protest what they alleged the government’s apathy towards the Mina tragedy victims and their loved ones.The Senate Chairman, Mian Raza Rabbani, referred the matter to the Senate Committee on Religious Affairs for deliberations.
The minister claimed the media had not shared the facts with the nation, as they reported 500 Pakistanis missing whereas, initially, there were about 200, who were reportedly untraced.About identification and handing over the dead bodies, he said they had met the Saudi minister concerned who had issued directives but their system was extremely complicated.
He said some Pakistanis had been arrested by the Saudi authorities for illegally performing the pilgrimage. He said majority of the Hajis, who died there were usually buried there as per an agreement with the Saudi authorities.
About an investigation into the incident, the minister said they had no knowledge and awaited the outcome of the ongoing investigation being carried out by the Saudi government.The minister said that Haj arrangements were the responsibility of the Saudi government and also pointed out that the tragedy took place not at the site of stoning the Satan but at Road 204.
He said if there was any fault on the side of the Haj mission, he would take responsibility for that. He also referred to a statement by a Saudi prince that they would not allow any country to meddle in the probe into the Mina tragedy.
Earlier, other senators who raised questions, included Senators Saleh Shah from Fata, Sitara Ayaz and Shahi Syed of ANP, Farhatullah Babar of PPP, Usman Kakar and Sardar Azam of PkMAP and Kenneth Williams. Some of these senators alleged that the martyred pilgrims were buried with bulldozer.
One senator blamed a Saudi prince for the stampede while another demanded resignation of Sardar Yousaf. Rabbani wanted to know how Iran and India managed to take the bodies of their Hajis back home. On this, the minister said that they had no such agreement with Saudi Arabia, like the one Pakistan had.“If Saudi and Pakistan authorities fail to trace the missing pilgrims, should we forget them,” wondered the Senate chairman.

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Proposed dams on Kabul River: Pakistan to suffer drop in water supply

ISLAMABAD, Nov 1: Experts at a conference on Tuesday said Pakistan would suffer 16 to 17 per cent drop in water supply from Afghanistan after construction of 13 dams on Kabul River.
They said time had come to enter into a water treaty with Afghanistan to avoid water related conflicts between the two countries.
They said with the active support of India many of these projects were in the implementation and designing phase.
The water conference entitled “Regional Water Governance: Facing Scarcity, Enhancing Cooperation” was organised by Leadership for Environment and Development (LEAD) Pakistan and was funded by French Embassy.
Federal Secretary of Water & Power Ashfaq Mahmood said it was the right time for Islamabad to sit with Kabul and form a water treaty otherwise it would be too late.
He said water insecurity was badly affecting the people and the economy. He underlined that Pakistans water per capita had fallen by 78.4 per cent since 1947 which means that Pakistan needed heavy investment in the water sector.
“Pakistan has made efforts to bring Afghanistan at negotiating table over water sharing but Kabul has always excused by saying that they are working to frame their own National Water Policy and it is not possible to initiate talks until that policy is completed,” Mr Ashfaq Mahmood said.
He also talked about the Indian cooperation with Afghan authorities over water, and said that the proposed 13 dams would adversely affect the Pakistans irrigation system.
“The crucial 16 to 17 per cent water supply from the Kabul River when Indus River sleeps during the winter will decline after these projects are completed,” he added.
International experts in the conference urged the need for a greater trust and science-based dialogues between the two inseparable states in order to understand and resolve water issues as well as explore feasible solutions.
Several suggestions were made during the conference such as to carry out a capacity audit of water related institutions. Indus River System Authority (IRSA) was mentioned as a negotiating forum in the conference and suggestion was made to have an IRSA like institution for Pakistan-Afghan water issues.
The conference was first of its kind in Pakistan as it focused on water cooperation between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Speaking at the conference, former Wapda chairman Shamsul Mulk said, “We need to have people in Pakistan and Afghanistan who say 'this is our river, not your not mine'. He insisted that in the field of water “sub-optimality is not an option”.
LEAD Pakistan CEO Ali Tauqeer Sheikh said that water Treaty between Pakistan and Afghanistan was very necessary to avoid future conflicts.
Ali Tauqeer Sheikh further said that by initiating a dialogue on trans-boundary water issues, they have laid down foundations of effective governance mechanism and reminded the water community of the necessity to balance human needs and ecological protection.
“We need to develop a water security management plan and also we need to train the next generation of the water diplomats and leaders” he added.

Proposed dams on Kabul River: Pakistan to suffer drop in water supply - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
 
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The Kalabagh Dam obsession
Naseer Memon August 9, 2015 36 Comments
Rather than mourning for Kalabagh Dam after every flood, it would be more apt to construct the long overdue Bhasha Dam and give a serious consideration to Katzarah Dam
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Kalabagh Dam is not designed as a flood control dam.


Each time a flood hits Pakistan, a demand for Kalabagh Dam is resuscitated. An illusion has been postulated that the Kalabagh dam is a panacea for all problems of Pakistan including floods, droughts, avalanches and glacial lake bursts.
The lobby perennially obsessed with the dam has conjured up an image of the dam as the eternal and only bulwark against every hydro-climatic catastrophe. Simpletons owing their wisdom to the polymath tv anchors insinuate every opponent of the dam as enemy of the country. Not just simpletons, some senior political leaders also frequently issue similar statements. Some patriots do not hesitate to construe the dam opponents as agents of a rival country.
The rhetoric reached all peaks of insanity when self-proclaimed experts of water management claimed that losses caused by recent flood in Chitral could have been avoided had there been a Kalabagh Dam. Similarly, deaths due to drought in Thar in 2015 and floods of lower Sindh caused by the malfunctioning left bank outfall drain project in 2011 were attributed to the same cause. Wizards lacking acquaintance with basic knowledge of national geography didn’t even know that all these areas are off river and even a dozen of Kalabagh Dams would not have proffered any relief to these areas.
Even the riverine flood of Indus cannot always be reined in by the proposed dam. Facts are blatantly distorted without realising that Kalabagh Dam is not designed as a flood control dam. A basic requirement of flood control dam is to keep it empty or allow sufficient allowance of storage during the flood season so that it could absorb incoming deluges. Kalabagh Dam is mainly designed for irrigation and power generation purposes which necessitate it to remain full up to the hilt in peak Kharif days.
Monsoon floods in Pakistan occur concurrently with the peak demand of Kharif season when crops need maximum water. According to the water apportionment accord both Punjab and Sindh need more than 100,000 cusecs every day during these months. In the first week of August, both Tarbela and Mangla Dams were only four and six feet respectively below their maximum conservation level.
In 2010 by the beginning of the last week of July, both dams were holding a massive 8.6 million acre feet water. Tarbela was at a level of 45 feet below its capacity holding 4.3 million acre feet (MAF) while Mangla was only 47 feet below its capacity holding 4.1 MAF of water. Data of both 2010 and 2015 shows that just days before the onslaught of peak floods, dam bodies were full of water. In other words any dam designed for irrigation purpose on Indus could not be left empty, partially or completely during monsoon days to meet the water requirement for Kharif crops.
Massive flows of Indus require a flood control dam that can be emptied by mid-July to absorb flood flows. This defeats the key premise for Kalabagh Dam professed to be the lynchpin of irrigation and power generation system of the country. Likewise peak monsoon months coincide with the peak demand of electricity that requires maintaining a certain reservoir level to generate maximum possible power. Pakistan meets approximately one-third of its electricity needs through hydel power.
Apart from irrigation, this is another reason requiring the dam belly to remain full of water. It is bizarre to expect that the proposed Kalabagh Dam would serve conflicting demands of flood control while synchronously catering to irrigation and electricity needs.
A grim fact is deliberately glossed over to hoodwink the public — excessive storage during floods actually makes the dam body highly susceptible to abnormal hydraulic pressure. Magnitude of floods in Pakistan is not benign by any reckoning.
Exposing the dam body to a swollen river has its own risks. Impact of super flood of 2010 on a dam body warrants deeper understanding.
In August 2010, Sukkur, Guddu and Kotri barrages braced a flow of over one million cusecs for nearly ten days. Any of the available dams including the proposed Kalabagh Dam would not have the capacity to absorb the mammoth flow. Instead, such a mighty flow would have made the dam structure vulnerable to burst at its seams, hence aggravating the catastrophic flood.
Coinciding with floods in Pakistan, China also faced an onslaught of floods in 2010. At one stage, hundreds of soldiers were deployed to avert a likely break-up of Wenquan reservoir that could have inundated Golmud city with a population of over 200,000 under four meters of deep water. In the same year, the north-east of Brazil, known for droughts, witnessed a deleterious flood killing 50 people and leaving 150,000 homeless. This devastation was mainly caused by the bursting of dams on two rivers. In March 2009, a dam bursting near Jakarta killed scores of people.
Likewise, damming has made drastic alterations in the natural flood plains of the Indus and the contracted trachea of the Indus is also a major cause for the increased intensity of floods.
Undeniably, Pakistan needs an effective flood management system including flood-control reservoirs. However, it requires solutions. Obsession with a contentious dam would not solve the problem. If a dam similar to Kalabagh could address the problem, the best option would be to construct a less controversial Bhasha Dam that is lying in cold storage of Wapda for several years. The dam has been cleared by Council of Common Interests and ECNEC. There are compelling reasons to implement the project forthwith.
The project was inaugurated by the then president Gen Musharraf in 2006. However the water bureaucracy has dumped the project under one or other pretext for a decade now. A lacklustre progress on Bhasha Dam testifies to malafide intentions of water bureaucracy that wants to keep the controversy of Kalabagh Dam alive. Bhasha dam offers no less storage and electricity than Kalabagh Dam, with an advantage of being politically innocuous.
More than 54 maf water drained to the sea in 2010. Had there been a Kalabagh Dam, it would have stored only 6 maf that would not have made any real impact on the ferocity of flood and the ensuing devastation. Only a large dam exclusively built for flood controlling purpose could have absorbed a significant amount of water. An example to this effect is Aswan Dam built on Nile river in 1960-70. The dam body has a capacity to store 107 maf. Before the dam, floods battered the area every year. In the subsequent years, Aswan dam brought considerable relief during floods as well as drought years.
Flood control dams are also referred to as dry dams. As against ordinary dams, dry dams have their discharge system on the riverbed. Dry dams store water only during floods, and are normally not submerged. Quantum of flood flows in Pakistan ideally requires a mega dry dam in the upper reaches of Indus.
The dicey behaviour of climate compounded by rapidly melting glaciers in Himalayas makes Indus an abode of super floods in the coming years. A potential option to sedate super floods is Katzarah Dam that has been kept under a tight lid by Wapda. Unanimously proposed by the inter-provincial and parliamentary commissions and the technical committee on water resources, the dam has the capacity to stash 35 million acre feet of water. Wapda has been rabidly opposing the project which could produce more than 15,000 megawatts of electricity.
In a letter to former prime minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani, Wapda said: “The option of Skardu/Katzarah dam project for further planning has been dropped from Wapda’s Vision 2025.”
Wapda attributed over a dozen negative impacts which it said made the multi-purpose dam site unfeasible in the present circumstances. Limited physical access to area, possible submersion of Skardu and Shigar valleys, inundation of over 13,000 hectares of agriculture land, displacement of 223,847 people and loss of the strategic control of the Siachen and Kargil sectors and line of control were mentioned as major reasons for abandoning the project.
An avid protagonist of the dam, former chairman of IRSA Engr. Fateh Ullah Khan Gandapur, vehemently disapproves these excuses. In his opinion the dam would stem erosion and prolong the life span of downstream dams. Most of the objections attributed to Katzarah Dam are equally valid for any other dam including Kalabagh Dam. Wapda never brought this dam into public debate to identify solutions for the perceived problems attributed to the dam.
After wasting several decades in pursuit of Kalabagh Dam, it would be pertinent to explore politically non-incendiary and technically feasible options like Katzarah. Rather than mourning for Kalabagh Dam after every flood, it would be more apt to construct long overdue Bhasha Dam and give a serious consideration to Katzarah dam.

The Kalabagh Dam obsession | TNS - The News on Sunday
 
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Not a single fucking Dam was built, Pakistanis are the only ones to be blamed. There is no alternative to Kala bagh Dam yet we as a nation allowed ANP and PPP to do politics on it and bury it. The cost of that will be paid by the next generation. The inept morons such as Nawaz and Bilawal will simply pack their bags and go abroad. They dont care if Pakistan runs dry. And sadly Imran Khan hasnt raised the issue as well. For him rigging seems to be only issue. Yes rigging is an issue and an important one because without free and fair elections one cannot expect competent people to come forward but than there are issues like the above as well. Kala Bagh has to be built and i think military should come forward, its beyond the capacity of these democratic losers.

Jamaat declares Kalabagh dam ‘very dangerous’
Bureau Report — Updated Oct 16, 2015 10:21am

PESHAWAR: Declaring construction of Kalabagh dam ‘very dangerous’ for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the Jamaat-i-Islami on Thursday asked Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to categorically announce the abandoning of the controversial project.
On Wednesday, the Awami National Party had criticised the federal government, particularly Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, for ‘changing’ stand on Kalabagh dam and China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
JI provincial chief Professor Mohammad Ibrahim told a news conference at the Al-Markaz-i-Islami here that the federal government should follow the decisions of All-Party Conference and build eastern route of the CPEC in first phase.
He said political forces in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa had serious reservations about Kalabagh dam and CPEC.
Professor Ibrahim said ‘hypocritical policies’ of the federal government would force the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan to protest.
He said the constitutional rights of all federating units should be protected otherwise it would harm the federation.
“The federal government will be responsible for the fallout of such policies,” he said, adding that recent statements of federal ministers Khawaja Asif and Ahsan Iqbal in favour of Kalabagh dam and CPEC eastern route were inappropriate.
Professor Ibrahim said technically, Kalabagh dam was not feasible and that policymakers should not forget devastating flash floods in 2010 that played havoc across KP, especially Peshawar valley.
He said major portion of Peshawar valley had submerged in floodwaters though Kalabagh dam didn’t exist.
The JI leader said the building of Kalabagh dam had nothing to do with floods and four districts, including Peshawar, Mardan, Nowshera and Swabi, would go under water if the controversial water reservoir was built.
He said the Kabul River and its affiliated tributaries could not sustain medium level floods.
“The prime minister should publicly announce abandoning the Kalabagh dam project,” he said while asking Nawaz Sharif to stop his ministers from issuing controversial statements on any national issue.
Professor Ibrahim said the federal government had pointed out loadshedding as the prime reason for construction of Kalabagh dam.
He said KP had potential to generate around 50,000MW hydel electricity and therefore, the federal government should cooperate with the provincial government.
The JI leader said several feasibility reports had been completed for hydel power generation.
He said currently, construction of two hydel generation projects was underway in Chitral and Kohistan.
Professor Ibrahim said like KP and Balochistan, construction of western route of the CPEC would also facilitate China and that feasibility study was also completed but policymakers were insisting on construction of the eastern route.
He said such policies generated disharmony and sense of deprivation among smaller units of the federation.
The JI leader said Islam, democracy and federation were three basic principles of the Constitution and that JI won’t allow any party or power to change them.
Published in Dawn, October 16th, 2015
Jamaat declares Kalabagh dam ‘very dangerous’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Kalabagh Dam, six other water reservoirs being planned: Asif

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Water and Power Khawaja Muhammad Asif told the Senate on Tuesday that seven water reservoir projects, including the controversial Kalabagh Dam, were under consideration.
In a written reply to a question by PML-N Senator Nuzhat Sadiq, the minister also said that the detailed design and tender documents of the Kalabagh Dam had been completed since 1988 and the implementation/ construction work on the project could be started once a decision was taken by the government. He pointed out that four water projects, including the Pelar Dam, Papin Dam, Winder Dam and Garuk Dam, were ready for implementation.
The minister noted that five projects were under implementation, namely Darawat dam, Nai Gaj Dam, Kurram Tangi Dam, Naulong Dam and Diamer Basha Dam.Asif conceded it was a fact that during the monsoon season, the unused quantum of water flowed to the sea because of water storage constraints and the average (1976-2015) quantum of water annually escaping to the sea was 29.30 million acre feet (MAF).
The minister revealed that Wapda had prepared a comprehensive plan to take water during the high flow season and utilise the same during the lean season for agriculture and the generation of electricity and then he referred to projects that included the Kalabagh Dam, Akhori Dam and Shyok Dam.
Responding to queries by the treasury and opposition senators on the Mina tragedy and its aftermath, Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Sardar Muhammad Yousaf said that according to the latest information, the death toll of Pakistani pilgrims had hit 99, whereas 70 of these had been identified and 45 wounded discharged while two were still under treatment there.
During his statement, the opposition senators walked out of the House to protest what they alleged the government’s apathy towards the Mina tragedy victims and their loved ones.The Senate Chairman, Mian Raza Rabbani, referred the matter to the Senate Committee on Religious Affairs for deliberations.
The minister claimed the media had not shared the facts with the nation, as they reported 500 Pakistanis missing whereas, initially, there were about 200, who were reportedly untraced.About identification and handing over the dead bodies, he said they had met the Saudi minister concerned who had issued directives but their system was extremely complicated.
He said some Pakistanis had been arrested by the Saudi authorities for illegally performing the pilgrimage. He said majority of the Hajis, who died there were usually buried there as per an agreement with the Saudi authorities.
About an investigation into the incident, the minister said they had no knowledge and awaited the outcome of the ongoing investigation being carried out by the Saudi government.The minister said that Haj arrangements were the responsibility of the Saudi government and also pointed out that the tragedy took place not at the site of stoning the Satan but at Road 204.
He said if there was any fault on the side of the Haj mission, he would take responsibility for that. He also referred to a statement by a Saudi prince that they would not allow any country to meddle in the probe into the Mina tragedy.
Earlier, other senators who raised questions, included Senators Saleh Shah from Fata, Sitara Ayaz and Shahi Syed of ANP, Farhatullah Babar of PPP, Usman Kakar and Sardar Azam of PkMAP and Kenneth Williams. Some of these senators alleged that the martyred pilgrims were buried with bulldozer.
One senator blamed a Saudi prince for the stampede while another demanded resignation of Sardar Yousaf. Rabbani wanted to know how Iran and India managed to take the bodies of their Hajis back home. On this, the minister said that they had no such agreement with Saudi Arabia, like the one Pakistan had.“If Saudi and Pakistan authorities fail to trace the missing pilgrims, should we forget them,” wondered the Senate chairman.

More politics. Fucking morons.
 
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