India, Russia opt for velvet divorce

[SrNair]

And considerable diversification and reduction of strain on cities and population transferring to rural areas. The land for free program is working and is boosting agro output considerably. Also unemployment is extremely low.

Its also a boon for local aircraft manufacturers who got plummeled by Western Boeing/Airbus bribing top managers in public and private airlines to buy their aircraft.

If that happens ,But situation is just opposite in Russia .
Except oil and defence .Not enough

 

[SrNair]

Fair analysis. The problem of India begin, when India shift its policy toward west and stop supporting Russia i the time of need and history witness that mother Russia always jumps in to support in the time of need and it hurts the bear most. India was having two nuclear enemy and now due to Indian policy she is creating another one and it is now very dangerous to India b/c India choose partner outside Asia and God knows she will help India or not on the time of need, whereas all three enemy are very near to India and can hurts any time they want and this means India have to fight with all three by her own. Now if we look into what each country offer to each other then it will be like

Russia - Hardware, Technology, Oil and Gas
China - Finance, Technology, Gold
Pakistan - Strategic support, Agriculture, Textile,check on ME oil and gas.

This is my assessment and may be i am wrong

No doubt .You are absolutely wrong and this post is a best example of F up logic.
India didnt support Russia ??
When the west sanctioned them only two nation supported Russia that was India and China .Kerry ,US Secretary,effort for change that throughtwo days visit didnt worked out .

Do you know anything about IRIGC ?
Pakistan was not even the picture at that time
Then comes another most fuc k ed up logic .Russia ,Indias enemy ???Ridiculous .
You dont know the depth of India Russia relation.

 

[Cry.me.a.River]

Foreign exchange reserves near all-time high - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

You Pakistani do understand that Foreign exchange reserves are there to stabilize your currency . Right!

If you raid your reserves for buying shiny toys, your would not be able to pay for imports and your currency would crash, if it is market determined; and if it is not, then you would run out of dollars to pay for imports.

Purchases are done on back of government revenue, not foreign exchange in central bank.

 

[general_yermolov_stalin]

If that happens ,But situation is just opposite in Russia .
Except oil and defence .Not enough

Things are changing fast.
Homestead Act for Russian Far East – Putin supports free land handout — RT Russian politics



Russia Is Giving Away Free Farmland - Up to 12 Acres per Family

Wheat Glut Erodes U.S. Exports as Cheap Russia Grain Wins Buyers - Bloomberg Business


Agriculture is coming up very fast thanks to the land for free program . Already the sanctions have led to renewed interest in il-114 ,Tu-204 VIP and Il-96 programs .

 

[graphican]

Moscow and Islamabad are engaged in negotiations for the supply of the latest Russian version of Su-35 fighter jet to its “closest partner” Pakistan

Now that is a line worth reading few times.

 

[surya kiran]

Well....... key point is IF it happens........ if it REALLY DOES happen then be sure that the whole regions geopolitics have taken a U turn.

There are lots of ifs and buts. The Sino-Russian bonhomie is for the simple reason of symbiosis. Russia needs a market for its energy sales. China needs a steady supplier if things hot up in the 'Oceanic' realms. The US got into an unnecessary provocation with Russia in Ukraine. Had they not cut off the European market for the Russians, the current scenario of Sino_Rus relations would not be this strong.

Make no mistake. Neither the Russians, nor Chinese like playing second fiddle. Both are big. Both are powerful. They make strange bedfellows. I will not be surprised if things fall apart over the next 10 years. But, the disengagement will not result in a big noise, since both are smart enough to not get engaged in a verbal or diplomatic fight.

The Indo Russian relationship is a historic one, but, does not mean it will not result in acrimony. There will be areas where Russian may need to find a market in Pakistan. Is this bad? Not as bad as them selling to China. But, this they have done for years. Has this resulted in any divorce? All 3 countries have their own interests, hence, diplomatic maneuvering will always happen.

The problem is not what happens if Russia sells to Pakistan. It is what happens when Pakistan buys from Russia and the US takes notice. That is a bigger problem, in my opinion.

 

[Abingdonboy]

India, Russia opt for velvet divorce
The statement by the Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov on Wednesday acknowledging that Moscow and Islamabad are engaged in negotiations for the supply of the latest Russian version of Su-35 fighter jet to its “closest partner” Pakistan doesn’t comes as a surprise. This has been the stuff of kite flying by the Russian media in the recent months. Nonetheless, when it is formally acknowledged by a top diplomat, the impact is no less stunning.

First, its military significance. Make no mistake, Su-35S, the latest version, a 4++ generation fighter is a formidable beast with a payload up to 8 tons and a wide array of air-to-air and air-to-ground weaponry. It has high maneuverability, advanced avionics and electronic systems, speed of mach 2.25 and a range of 3600 kilometers.

The multi-role Su35 S uses fifth generation technologies and would outclass Rafale that India proposes to buy from France or even America’s F35. Watch its fantastic fight performance, here, at the recent MAKS 2015 Air Show in Russia. Without doubt, if the sale goes through, Su 35 S will be a ‘force multiplier’ for the Pakistan Air Force.

Interestingly, China will be the first country to receive the Su 35 S fighter. Russia first offered to India the option to buy the Su 35 S and when it showed disinterest, turned to the Chinese customer. Russia increasingly looks at arms exports as a source of income in these hard times with low oil prices and the western sanctions affecting the economy, which is in recession.

Having said that, the willingness to sell such a cutting-edge weapon system to Pakistan, India’s archrival, is indeed hugely symbolic in its import for the quality of Russia-Indian relations today. To be sure, if the sale goes through, India-Russia relations can never be the same again. The romance of the Indo-Soviet friendship began dissipating in the early nineties but a special bonding laced with realism promptly replaced it, but now that seems to be inexorably unraveling. The good thing is that the parting of ways may not be in acrimony or with heartache.

Both India and Russia are moving on strategic trajectories that do not happen to be similar. They are far from running into each other – not yet, at least – but would have, simply put, different priorities today. Both are BRICS member countries but doubt arises often what makes India to be one when its foreign policies have drained of any high principles or ideology and are practically motivated by self-interest. Whereas Russian foreign policies are imbued with a long term vision regarding the world order and are focused on the working of an international system based on international law, India has preferred to remain a lotus eater.

For Russia, the tense relationship with the US is increasingly turning into an adversarial mode, while India under the present government, obsessed with the rise of China, is edging closer than ever to the US’ rebalance strategy in Asia. If reports are to be believed, US and India even co-sponsored the project to bring about a regime change in Sri Lanka by ousting President Mahinda Rajapaksa, whom they viewed as ‘pro-China’.

At a time when India cozies up to any country that would have a problem with China, the relationship between Russia and China are at their best ever historically.

At any rate, it was New Delhi that began introducing ‘market forces’ into its arms procurement policies, cherry-picking from Russia only if it suited India’s interests and assiduously searching for alternate sources of supply from abroad. Lately, the United States has also been replacing Russia, inevitably, as India’s preferred source of military hardware. Russia holds no veto power over New Delhi’s decisions to incrementally cut down its share of the Indian market.

The decision to offer Su 35 S to Pakistan underscores that Russia has reconciled with the India’s policies and will now go its own way to secure its self-interests. Clearly, New Delhi also cannot hope to veto the Russia-Pakistan arms dealings. This ought to make the parting of ways cordial.

Secondly, Russia may view China – or Pakistan, Indonesia or Egypt, which have been mentioned as potential customers for the Su 35 fighter – as commercial customers but then, the political considerations underlying weapons sales are always there. What could be the considerations behind a potential Su 35 S deal with Pakistan?

To be sure, the rapidly growing military ties between Moscow and Islamabad testify to the strategic importance that Russia attaches to Pakistan in the geopolitics of the region and Moscow’s overall regional strategies. For one thing, as a key player in the Afghan endgame that impacts on Russia and Central Asia’s vital interests, Pakistan assumes importance in Russia’s security calculus.

More important, perhaps, weaning Pakistan away from the American orbit is a strategic necessity for Russia and the military cooperation creates leverage both to influence Pakistani policies as well as to provide space for Pakistan to maneuver its way out of Uncle Sam’s decades-old embrace. Russia would estimate that given Pakistan’s enviable geographical location, the US’s regional strategies can never be effective without Pakistan playing its traditional cold-war era role as junior partner.

Conceivably, Russian policies toward Pakistan are moving in the direction of its efforts to counter the American intentions to establish military bases in Afghanistan on a long-term basis. (Amongst the regional players, India must be the only country that may welcome a long term American military presence in Afghanistan.)

Equally, it needs to be factored in that Russia and China coordinate their regional policies and the two big powers could be moving in tandem to strengthen Pakistan’s ‘strategic autonomy’ – China with its offer of massive investments within the ambit of the Silk Road projects and Russia stepping in to roll back Pakistan’s dependence on the US for meeting its defence needs. Interestingly, an agreement to lease 2300 acres of land in the vicinity of Gwadar Port in Pakistan’s Baluchistan province to China for a 43-year period was reportedly signed this week. (People’s Daily)

Indeed, Russia and China can do a great deal in tandem to ensure that the US influence over Pakistan gets vastly diminished. Actually, compared to the situation even 5 or 6 ago, Washington would already be sensing the need to negotiate hard with Pakistan rather than simply dictate terms as it used to do. Gone are the days when an incumbent Pakistani prime minister desperately sought a White House invitation to consolidate his political standing in the domestic power structure. The special bonding between the Pentagon and the CIA with their Pakistani counterparts is also becoming a relic of history.

Against this backdrop, Russia sees a ‘level playing field’ becoming available in Islamabad and Rawalpindi in a way that would have been unthinkable during the cold war era.

For sure, Russia’s gravitation toward Pakistan shifts the tectonic plates in regional politics. The arms deals with Pakistan will proclaim to the entire region and internationally that the alignment in the power dynamic is changing.

Whether the realignment in the power dynamic of the region works to India’s advantage or not remains to be seen. The hard reality is that despite all the hype about the US-Indian ‘defining partnership of the 21st century’, India hasn’t gained anything much out of it so far. It is high time ‘Friend Barack’ who is left with only 16 more months in office does something tangible for India and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The point is, Pakistan will always try to balance its ties with the US with its developing relations with Russia. It is adept at managing the balancing act with great finesse – showing, for example, remarkable dexterity in balancing the ‘all-weather friendship’ with China and its partnership with the US as its key ‘non-NATO ally’ all through the past decade of the Afghan war since 2001.

From the US point of view, too, Pakistan will remain a key regional partner bordering West and Central Asia. Besides, any containment strategy toward China, Russia and Iran can only be pursued if Pakistan is willing to play along or at least maintain a ‘positive neutrality’. Over and above, it is crucial for the US to remain engaged with Pakistan so long as the problem of international terrorism remains a concern for the western world.

Of course, India can never be a substitute for the role that Pakistan is expected to play. Most certainly, in order to neutralize India’s regional profile, Pakistan will continue to strive to maintain a strategic partnership with the US based on shared concerns and common interests (while strengthening its ‘strategic autonomy’).

Suffice it to say, if the Su 35 S ever appears over the Pakistani skies, it will be a stark reminder that the Modi government’s foreign polices have ended in a cul de sac. After all, it is no mean achievement for the Modi government to have chilled the ties with China, ratcheted up tensions with Pakistan to a near-flashpoint and to atrophy India’s time-tested relationship with Russia to this low point — and, all that to have been achieved in a matter of just 15 months in power.


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By M K Bhadrakumar – September 11, 2015

Yeah yeah, shall we ignore the $50 BILLION USD projects (and counting) between India and Russia (MRTA, FGFA, etc)?

What idiot would truly believe this? The FGFA project is directly linked to Sukhoi even on the commercial side this company would be unwilling to jeopardise massive cash flows from India for a,relatively, minuscule sale to Pakistan just like the French refused to sell avionics for the JF-17 whilst the MMRCA competition as ongoing.

This isn't sentiment or jingoism, this is common sense.


Mark my words, like almost all Pakistan's "proposed" defence procurements this Su-35 deal will never materialise. The Russians are simply trying to force India to cough up more as Russia's economy continues to stumble.



Pakistan is going to help Russia out of its current economic predicament- a good joke.

 

[Imran Khan]

You Pakistani do understand that Foreign exchange reserves are there to stabilize your currency . Right!

If you raid your reserves for buying shiny toys, your would not be able to pay for imports and your currency would crash, if it is market determined; and if it is not, then you would run out of dollars to pay for imports.

Purchases are done on back of government revenue, not foreign exchange in central bank.

just leave it on us we know what we are doing better then anyone cry me on internet . those whom purchase pakistani weapons are more aware then you and me .

 

[My-Analogous]

No doubt .You are absolutely wrong and this post is a best example of F up logic.
India didnt support Russia ??
When the west sanctioned them only two nation supported Russia that was India and China .Kerry ,US Secretary,effort for change that throughtwo days visit didnt worked out .

Do you know anything about IRIGC ?
Pakistan was not even the picture at that time
Then comes another most fuc k ed up logic .Russia ,Indias enemy ???Ridiculous .
You dont know the depth of India Russia relation.

Your logic is f up one because this is not a logic but a analysis and its mean you can review a news with different dimensions which your fcked up logic don't understand.

You Pakistani do understand that Foreign exchange reserves are there to stabilize your currency . Right!

If you raid your reserves for buying shiny toys, your would not be able to pay for imports and your currency would crash, if it is market determined; and if it is not, then you would run out of dollars to pay for imports.

Purchases are done on back of government revenue, not foreign exchange in central bank.

Don't you think that is our internal matter and you are uninvited guest here?

 

[Asian.Century]

Russia-Pakistan joint exercises to go head has brought greatest humiliation to India, that it ever faced.

 

[illusion8]

Mr BHADRAKUMAR is a very accomplished Diplomat of India. It's very sad that we have to shoot the messenger.

I hope India does'nt become Dhritarashtra and shun the advice of Vidhur.

The Fact is, it is the same "IF" which was added during RD-93 engines and MI-35 procurements and we know how it turned out.

During those procurements Indians took the cover of these not being the top of the line hardware and would not alter the balance of power.

What would be the argument this time? PAK-FA/FGFA would be better than SU-35 or mere 2-3 squadrons of SU-35 in Pak inventory would not alter the balance against 200+ SU30MKI.....

You lose respect as a senior member if you take badrakumar's writing seriously. ..He is an arch commie and mostly writes for commie sites - Chinese mostly.

 

[shree835]

This is nothing more then a fabricated thread topic that came out of a pakistani gem.... This is not the first time India is buying Aircraft that is not from Russia...If someone thinks that due this deal India Russia relation is going to change ...Those gem minds should come from their LALA Alif laila land....

Russia-Pakistan joint exercises to go head has brought greatest humiliation to India, that it ever faced.

That joint exercise already went for toss. ... Chicha... come out from Alif laila land...pakistan is totally isolated today...even chini guys are not giving you 100% support....this is called diplomacy.