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The Indian government on Sunday gave "complete freedom of action" to Indian troops deployed along the China-India Line of Actual Control. This means Indian commanders will not be restricted in using firearms.

If this new approach is implemented and Indian troops shoot Chinese soldiers in the first place in future encounters, then the China-India border dispute will turn into a military conflict. This is not what most Chinese and Indian people wish to see.

China and India signed two bilateral agreements in 1996 and 2005, both of which said neither side shall use its military capability against the other side. This fundamentally limited the scale of conflicts in the border area, and the provision had been upheld during the June 15 clash.

Although "complete freedom of action" is the Modi administration's appeasement to the Indian army and public opinion, it is extremely irresponsible. It shows that India may be tearing up the two countries' most important agreements, and this will seriously increase the two troops' mutual distrust and add to the possibility of unwanted military conflicts. It is also against the consensus reached by the two sides' foreign ministers to cool down the situation in the Galwan Valley.

We would like to warn India's feverish nationalists not to lead New Delhi down the wrong path, and not allow India to repeat past mistakes.

They must know that in 1962, the two countries were of roughly equal strength, but today, China's GDP is five times that of India, and China's defense spending is more than triple India's according to West estimates. China is a highly industrialized country, while India is still in the primary stage of industrialization. Most of China's advanced weapons are manufactured domestically, but all of India's advanced weapons are imported.

There are things that the Indian army cannot get without using firearms, and even more unlikely for them to get these things through armed conflicts. That the Indian troops can defeat the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is utter fantasy.

After the June 15 clash, the Indian government showed rationality to prevent the situation from escalating. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, "Nobody has intruded into our border, neither is anybody there now, nor have our posts been captured."

But India's extreme nationalists continue to put pressure on their government, risking an escalation of tensions at the border.

It is the Indian side that is unilaterally retreating from the bilateral agreements. India needs to be held responsible for the possible consequences.

We would like to tell PLA soldiers stationed at the China-India border that they must be extra careful when fulfilling their duties, and to be well prepared for war. If the Indian army fires the first shot, PLA soldiers must ensure that they have enough firepower to fight back. The most important thing is ensure their own safety and not to suffer losses in an armed skirmish triggered by the Indian side.

We also urge the PLA to prepare for the worst-case scenario. If the Indian army launches a border war, it must be taught a good lesson. We believe the PLA has sufficient capability to do so.

China does not want its relations with India to become sour, but some radical Indian forces have lost rationality. The Chinese army should display its resolve to fight back if and when the Indian side opens fire. Frontline Indian officers must keep in their minds that whoever fires the first shot will be wiped out by the PLA.

In history, India has miscalculated China's will several times, and been muddle-headed about the strength gap of the two sides, leading to its recklessness and the heavy price it had to pay. Wasn't the same true with the June 15 clash?

It is hoped that the Indian side will not repeat its historical mistakes and avoid an aggressive posture in its border dispute with China. It should head in the same direction with China and put the situation under the control of both sides.

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Pangong Lake war of 2020, here we come!

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/late...magery-by-nathan-ruser-aspistrategist.672548/
 
TO MY CHINESE FRIENDS, ONCE AGAIN I AM SAYING THIS TO YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH INDIANS. THEY WILL NEVER KEEP THEIR WORD OR PROMISES. The only language they understand IS THE LANGUAGE OF POWER.

Unfortunately this centuries old lesson was forgotten by the Military Establishment of Pakistan, and just look at what Pakistan has become, an economically weak country thanks to the deliberate and relentless attacks of the Indians. Frankly it is beyond pathetic what the Pakistan Establishment has done to its people.

Hence China needs to take DECISIVE ACTION NOW AND TAKE CARE OF INDIA ONCE AND FOR ALL OTHERWISE CHINA WILL REGRET IT FOR MANY CENTURIES !!
 
China should play the water card to make the Indians think thrice about their mischief.
 
TO MY CHINESE FRIENDS, ONCE AGAIN I AM SAYING THIS TO YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT DEALING WITH NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH INDIANS. THEY WILL NEVER KEEP THEIR WORD OR PROMISES. The only language they understand IS THE LANGUAGE OF POWER.

Unfortunately this centuries old lesson was forgotten by the Military Establishment of Pakistan, and just look at what Pakistan has become, an economically weak country thanks to the deliberate and relentless attacks of the Indians. Frankly it is beyond pathetic what the Pakistan Establishment has done to its people.

Hence China needs to take DECISIVE ACTION NOW AND TAKE CARE OF INDIA ONCE AND FOR ALL OTHERWISE CHINA WILL REGRET IT FOR MANY CENTURIES !!
They are going to take the bait and attack at Pangong Lake. This time, it will escalate past small arms fire and at least artillery will be exchanged.
 
According to social media, during the lt. general level meeting yesterday, India said that they have prepared for a full scale war and soldiers are ordered shoot to kill PLA anytime.

昨日(6月22日)中印两国军长级(印度称中将级)会谈举行,驻列城的印军第14集团军军长哈林德·辛格中将和中国人民解放军南疆军区司令柳林少将率各自代表团参加,会谈时间为北京时间14时至23日0时45分。
会谈中,印方态度强硬,提出了一些列要求,主要如下:
1、要求中国人民解放军从设立阵地、碉堡和观察哨的指状地区(班公措北岸的一组战略要地)撤军。
2、要求中国人民解放军从6月15日发生致命冲突的加勒万河谷撤军,并在重要战略地区恢复原状。
3、要求中国人民解放军在有争议边界一侧的“纵深地区”减少军事部署。4、恢复温泉地区原状。
5、要求中国人民解放军停止在争议地区的包括部队、装甲车、炮兵以及纵深地区的远程打击、后勤的军事集结。
6、要求中国人民解放军恢复4月初之前在新藏地区的部署,恢复全部实际控制线地区4月初原状。
7、印军已经做好全面战争准备,不再遵守两国军队在对峙时不使用热兵器、锋利冷兵器的有关协定,并已经授权印军前线指挥官随时痛击入侵的中国人民解放军。
 
They are going to take the bait and attack at Pangong Lake. This time, it will escalate past small arms fire and at least artillery will be exchanged.

Good luck! You'll need lot's of it! Please do not let India's build up resistance. Destroy them before they can stand on their feet.
 
According to social media, during the lt. general level meeting yesterday, India said that they have prepared for a full scale war and soldiers are ordered shoot to kill PLA anytime.

昨日(6月22日)中印两国军长级(印度称中将级)会谈举行,驻列城的印军第14集团军军长哈林德·辛格中将和中国人民解放军南疆军区司令柳林少将率各自代表团参加,会谈时间为北京时间14时至23日0时45分。
会谈中,印方态度强硬,提出了一些列要求,主要如下:
1、要求中国人民解放军从设立阵地、碉堡和观察哨的指状地区(班公措北岸的一组战略要地)撤军。
2、要求中国人民解放军从6月15日发生致命冲突的加勒万河谷撤军,并在重要战略地区恢复原状。
3、要求中国人民解放军在有争议边界一侧的“纵深地区”减少军事部署。4、恢复温泉地区原状。
5、要求中国人民解放军停止在争议地区的包括部队、装甲车、炮兵以及纵深地区的远程打击、后勤的军事集结。
6、要求中国人民解放军恢复4月初之前在新藏地区的部署,恢复全部实际控制线地区4月初原状。
7、印军已经做好全面战争准备,不再遵守两国军队在对峙时不使用热兵器、锋利冷兵器的有关协定,并已经授权印军前线指挥官随时痛击入侵的中国人民解放军。

Then that settles it. They have obviously got the backing of their daddy and the rest of the gang, hence the utter stupidity of wanting to take on the PLA. Pakistan will be dragged into it sooner or later. If war is what they want, war is what they will get. For the sake of future generations of the subcontinent, i hope its a decisive one this time around.
 
They are going to take the bait and attack at Pangong Lake. This time, it will escalate past small arms fire and at least artillery will be exchanged.
You must overrun and reach Delhi, otherwise Sanghis will bounce back eventually.

Then that settles it. They have obviously got the backing of their daddy and the rest of the gang, hence the utter stupidity of wanting to take on the PLA. Pakistan will be dragged into it sooner or later. If war is what they want, war is what they will get. For the sake of future generations of the subcontinent, i hope its a decisive one this time around.
Yes, hopefully there won't be a Hindurashtra anymore. Allah SWT works in mysterious ways!

Hope our ancestral home in Malad is safe. Wish Pakistani administration is effective there......

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192452.shtml

The Indian government on Sunday gave "complete freedom of action" to Indian troops deployed along the China-India Line of Actual Control. This means Indian commanders will not be restricted in using firearms.

If this new approach is implemented and Indian troops shoot Chinese soldiers in the first place in future encounters, then the China-India border dispute will turn into a military conflict. This is not what most Chinese and Indian people wish to see.

China and India signed two bilateral agreements in 1996 and 2005, both of which said neither side shall use its military capability against the other side. This fundamentally limited the scale of conflicts in the border area, and the provision had been upheld during the June 15 clash.

Although "complete freedom of action" is the Modi administration's appeasement to the Indian army and public opinion, it is extremely irresponsible. It shows that India may be tearing up the two countries' most important agreements, and this will seriously increase the two troops' mutual distrust and add to the possibility of unwanted military conflicts. It is also against the consensus reached by the two sides' foreign ministers to cool down the situation in the Galwan Valley.

We would like to warn India's feverish nationalists not to lead New Delhi down the wrong path, and not allow India to repeat past mistakes.

They must know that in 1962, the two countries were of roughly equal strength, but today, China's GDP is five times that of India, and China's defense spending is more than triple India's according to West estimates. China is a highly industrialized country, while India is still in the primary stage of industrialization. Most of China's advanced weapons are manufactured domestically, but all of India's advanced weapons are imported.

There are things that the Indian army cannot get without using firearms, and even more unlikely for them to get these things through armed conflicts. That the Indian troops can defeat the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is utter fantasy.

After the June 15 clash, the Indian government showed rationality to prevent the situation from escalating. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, "Nobody has intruded into our border, neither is anybody there now, nor have our posts been captured."

But India's extreme nationalists continue to put pressure on their government, risking an escalation of tensions at the border.

It is the Indian side that is unilaterally retreating from the bilateral agreements. India needs to be held responsible for the possible consequences.

We would like to tell PLA soldiers stationed at the China-India border that they must be extra careful when fulfilling their duties, and to be well prepared for war. If the Indian army fires the first shot, PLA soldiers must ensure that they have enough firepower to fight back. The most important thing is ensure their own safety and not to suffer losses in an armed skirmish triggered by the Indian side.

We also urge the PLA to prepare for the worst-case scenario. If the Indian army launches a border war, it must be taught a good lesson. We believe the PLA has sufficient capability to do so.

China does not want its relations with India to become sour, but some radical Indian forces have lost rationality. The Chinese army should display its resolve to fight back if and when the Indian side opens fire. Frontline Indian officers must keep in their minds that whoever fires the first shot will be wiped out by the PLA.

In history, India has miscalculated China's will several times, and been muddle-headed about the strength gap of the two sides, leading to its recklessness and the heavy price it had to pay. Wasn't the same true with the June 15 clash?

It is hoped that the Indian side will not repeat its historical mistakes and avoid an aggressive posture in its border dispute with China. It should head in the same direction with China and put the situation under the control of both sides.

upload_2020-6-19_10-32-23-jpeg.642986



Pangong Lake war of 2020, here we come!

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/late...magery-by-nathan-ruser-aspistrategist.672548/
It will be bloody and painful.

But eventually there will not be any India left on the map.
 
According to social media, during the lt. general level meeting yesterday, India said that they have prepared for a full scale war and soldiers are ordered shoot to kill PLA anytime.

昨日(6月22日)中印两国军长级(印度称中将级)会谈举行,驻列城的印军第14集团军军长哈林德·辛格中将和中国人民解放军南疆军区司令柳林少将率各自代表团参加,会谈时间为北京时间14时至23日0时45分。
会谈中,印方态度强硬,提出了一些列要求,主要如下:
1、要求中国人民解放军从设立阵地、碉堡和观察哨的指状地区(班公措北岸的一组战略要地)撤军。
2、要求中国人民解放军从6月15日发生致命冲突的加勒万河谷撤军,并在重要战略地区恢复原状。
3、要求中国人民解放军在有争议边界一侧的“纵深地区”减少军事部署。4、恢复温泉地区原状。
5、要求中国人民解放军停止在争议地区的包括部队、装甲车、炮兵以及纵深地区的远程打击、后勤的军事集结。
6、要求中国人民解放军恢复4月初之前在新藏地区的部署,恢复全部实际控制线地区4月初原状。
7、印军已经做好全面战争准备,不再遵守两国军队在对峙时不使用热兵器、锋利冷兵器的有关协定,并已经授权印军前线指挥官随时痛击入侵的中国人民解放军。


India wants the "status quo" as of May 4, and China should demand the "status quo" of Nov. 1962.
 
Hundreds of Indian soldiers silently came to Chinese camp at night. I don't think it's a friendly visit.

Don't know what Indians are complaining about.
 

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