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India Requires Russia, S. Korea to Partner With Local Firms in Helo Contest
India Requires Russia, S. Korea to Partner With Local Firms in Helo Contest

NEW DELHI — India's Defence Ministry has decided that South Korea and Russia must partner with Indian firms in order to take part in its helicopter competition, despite offers of complete technology transfer, according to an MoD source.

South Korea is offering its Surion light utility helicopter (LUH) and Russia its Ka-226 machine. Russian President Vladimir Putin made the offer during his Dec. 11 visit to India.

"MoD's decision to buy LUH only through competition from domestic vendors is a virtual rejection of any government-to-government helicopter production deal between India and Russia," said defense analyst Nitin Mehta.

The MoD source, however, said the decision not to enter a joint program with either South Korea or Russia is part of a policy to boost the domestic private sector defense industry, and that the MoD would like to see partnerships for weapons programs with overseas companies.

After coming to power, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi canceled two global tenders for light utility helicopter purchases and approached the domestic companies to participate in the procurement of unspecified numbers of helicopters, either alone or in partnership with an overseas company.

India needs 440 LUHs to replace its aging Cheetah and Chetak helicopters used for reconnaissance and logistics in the high altitude battlefields in the Himalayas.

After the summit talks with Putin, Modi said in a statement: "I am pleased that Russia has offered to fully manufacture in India one of its most advanced helicopters. It includes the possibility of exports from India. It can be used for both military and civilian use. We will follow up on this quickly."

South Korea has also offered India full tech transfer of the Surion helicopter, the MoD source said. A diplomat from the South Korean Embassy in New Delhi confirmed that a proposal was been made to India in December, but gave no details.

In August, MoD canceled the 2012 tender for the purchase of 56 naval utility helicopters, in which Airbus Helicopters and AgustaWestland were in the race.

In July, MoD canceled the 2008 global tender for the purchase of 197 light utility helicopters worth $1 billion, in which now Airbus Helicopters' AS550 was in competition with Russia's Ka-226T built by Kamov.

India's helicopter requirement is expected to grow to 600. In addition, the MoD also plans to procure 90 multirole helicopters worth $2.5 billion through the "Buy and Make (India)" route.

"Except for state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited [HAL], no private-sector defense major has ever produced a military helicopter," Mehta said. "But in the future, tie-ups are expected with overseas defense companies to tap the emerging helicopter market."

US-based Sikorsky and Tata Group already have an agreement, and in October, Airbus Helicopters also announced a tie-up with the Tata to jointly produce Avro transport aircraft.
 
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This is a LUH?

surion.jpg


It's bigger than Dhruv!
 
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Incidentally both Russian and Korean offers twin engine choppers, which will have higher procurement and maintenance cost than our own LUH

I tHink we are just evaluating our own LUH with other choppers.

Btw we Do have a name for HAL LUH yet ?
 
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I tHink we are just evaluating our own LUH with other choppers.

Nope, the 197 foreign LUH tender is going to happen, it is not about benchmarking the HAL LUH against these. This foreign LUH deal will give a massive boost to the Indian pvt sector and likely deliver sooner and in larger numbers than the HAL LUH to the forces and that too a proven product.
 
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Nope, the 197 foreign LUH tender is going to happen, it is not about benchmarking the HAL LUH against these. This foreign LUH deal will give a massive boost to the Indian pvt sector and likely deliver sooner and in larger numbers than the HAL LUH to the forces and that too a proven product.


Why should we go to foreign design to create a private industry ?

Let's Give the LUH design to both public and private sector and speed up the production to replace cheetah etc

Just like we are planning for LCA mk2. ( fingers crossed )
 
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Just like we are planning for LCA mk2. ( fingers crossed )
Really?Since when will the LCA Mk.2 be produced by pvt companies bro?
Why should we go to foreign design to create a private industry ?

Let's Give the LUH design to both public and private sector and speed up the production to replace cheetah etc

HAL has a monopoly on the LUH's production that's why.
 
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Really?Since when will the LCA Mk.2 be produced by pvt companies bro?


HAL has a monopoly on the LUH's production that's why.


Not sure when but it came up (here in forum not officially) when there was news regarding no. Of squadrons of tejas will be lot more, during last few days of Anthony.

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Atleast , private industry should build fennec or a bell.
 
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Not sure when but it came up (here in forum not officially) when there was news regarding no. Of squadrons of tejas will be lot more, during last few days of Anthony.
@sancho any truth behind this? I must this discussion entirely.
 
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Really?Since when will the LCA Mk.2 be produced by pvt companies bro?


Not necessary LCA MARK 2, but IAF seem to be lobbying for a HAL competitor in the private sector.

India Offers To Spend $12B To Break Monopoly | Defense News | defensenews.com

NEW DELHI — The Indian government, acting on Air Force demands, has offered to spend $12 billion to encourage private firms to establish an aircraft manufacturing facility — a move that would break Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s monopoly on aircraft manufacturing after years of delays on several projects.

India’s private sector is able to set up such a facility, and could acquire the capability to build the LCA Mark-2 over time, but it could be a challenge, Cowshish said.

“LCA is a program in the pipeline for more than three decades. HAL and DRDO have worked hard on it, and the final operational clearance is expected sometime later this year,” he said. “To bring in a new manufacturing agency at this stage may not be a very good idea. Though it is possible to pass on the technology to the private industry for manufacturing the aircraft, selecting such an agency may turn out to be a [technically] tricky affair.”
 
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Surion looks bigger than a LUH. Only if HAL could get its own chopper flying, this competition would not be needed at all.
 
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Surion looks bigger than a LUH. Only if HAL could get its own chopper flying, this competition would not be needed at all.

Ground trials just ended,

First flight will happen during aero India show in February .
 
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This is a LUH?

surion.jpg


It's bigger than Dhruv!

KAI Surion helciopter features

The helicopter features an inertial navigation system, global positioning system, an automatic flight control system, forward-looking infrared radar and a digital MAP.
It is also equipped with a health and usage monitoring system, a modular weapon system, a counter measure dispensing system, infrared counter measures, electronic counter measures, a radar warning receiver, a hands-on collective and stick, and an on-board inert gas generating system.
Armaments

The helicopter is fitted with six BGM-71 tube-launched optically tracked (TOW) air-to-air missiles or four rocket pods. The BGM-1 TOW is an anti-tank guided missile designed and developed by Hughes Aircraft. The maximum operational range of the missile is 3,750m. It weighs around 3.9kg to 5.9kg.
Surion self-protection systems

EADS Defence and Security installed a MILDS AN/AAR-60 self-protection system in the Surion helicopter. The self-protection systems are incorporated with a spectral of sensor suite.
The Surion protects itself from attack by detecting and tracking ultraviolet emissions radiated by approaching missiles. The ultraviolet rays are more effective at lower and slower targets. The UV rays are more vulnerable to atmospheric conditions.
"Surion is powered by two GE T-700 turboshaft engines."
GE T-700 turboshaft engines

The Surion is powered by two GE T-700 turboshaft engines, each of which can produce 1,383kW of power and are manufactured by General Electric. The engines offer high reliability and maintainability compared with other engines in its series.
The length and diameter of each engine is 1.1m and 0.39m respectively. The dry weight of the engine is 206kg. Each engine can produce a maximum of 1,409kW of power at sea level.
KAI Surion performance

The Surion helicopter can climb at the rate of 2.53m/s and has a cruising speed of 269km/h. The range and service ceiling of the helicopter is 260km and 3,000m respectively. The maximum endurance of the helicopter is two hours. Surion weighs around 4,817kg and its maximum take-off weight is 8,709kg.
Surion's maiden flight Surion's maiden flight took place in March 2010.
MILDS ANAAR-60 self-protection system Surion is equipped with MILDS ANAAR-60 self-protection system.
Surion Surion was launched in June 2006.
The first prototype The first prototype rolled out in June 2009.
 
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@sancho any truth behind this? I must this discussion entirely.

There was the report that talked about 14 squads of LCA, which basically was based by the numbers of Mig squads that will be phased out, but I don't think that's reliable. The other is the report that IAF wants to see the MK2 being produced by a privat company as @Water Car Engineer showed, but that was never officially confirmed, nor would it make any sense, since HAL already has invested and build the infrastructure for the fighter and it would be a huge waste of Taxpayers money, if we stop that production line after 40 fighters, just to give more production to privat companies. So I don't buy that either, unless named officials confirm it.

On the helicopter issue, I think PSG might have got it right for a change:

This deal was in the making for the last two years. And before you jump to any ill-conceived assumptions, NO, the ‘Make in India’ plan involving the Kamov Ks-226T helicopter (powered by twin Turbomeca Arrius 2G1 engines) WILL NOT be used as either militarised LUHs or RSHs by India’s armed forces. Instead, as Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin explained yesterday after the annual summit-level talks between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, these Made-In-India Ka-226Ts “can be used for search-and-rescue (SAR) operations in mountainous areas”, meaning that these helicopters, to be owned and operated by state-owned Pawan Hans Helicopters Ltd, will be used primarily by the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) and National Disaster Management Agency (NDMA). The BRO requires the services of about 120 such helicopters for providing both SAR and CASEVAC facilities for various local and foreign civil/heavy engineering companies that have either been or will be contracted for building all-weather roads and highways all along the Sino-Indian Line of Actual Control, especially in Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Ladakh.

TRISHUL: 'Make In India' Takes Off In Grand Style With Russia


Not sure if that's true, but it sounds more logical than seeing it as part of the just srapped and re-issued tender of IAF and IA. The strange part here is, that the helicopters that are mentioned in this case, are pretty much in the Dhruv class, so why would the government want to provide BRO and NDMA with foreign helicopters, when the Dhruv is available and proved it's worth during the last few disasters? So much for self reliance. :rolleyes:

The forces tender, was mainly aimed to replace singe engined even lighter helicopters, in the HAL LUH class and the fact that HAL's version is not available before 2017 possibly, made the original tender logical, but after the NDA scrapped it, instead of selecting a winner, it hardy makes sense anymore, because a re-start from scratch will take far too much time now. If HAL is smart (@sandy_3126), they team up with a privat partner now and offer joint production of their LUH with orders than going up to 400. Wonder what the government would do then? Supporting the indigenous option with a privat partner, or supporting the manufacturing of foreign helicopters?
 
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nor would it make any sense, since HAL already has invested and build the infrastructure for the fighter and it would be a huge waste of Taxpayers money, if we stop that production line after 40 fighters, just to give more production to privat companies.
It would make sense if HAL's and a pvt entity's production lines are churning out LCA simultaneously surely that would suit the IAF.
 
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