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First thing International court of Justice is there , this means United Nations can bring change and try to work for bigger things such as saving humanity.

Again Republic of India is working to make UN more stronger.

Lolzzz India with all her atrocities in Held Kashmir against the Kashmiris how can UN working for saving Humanity phrase goes with Indian having bigger role or even making UN stronger?



This issue is having more bigger reason and this is directly linked to the CPEC and more direct involvement of Chinese.

Can you explain little more? I mean how role of ICJ can be linked to CPEC development ?
 
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Main point is this that he was abducted from Iran. have heard Iranians takes thier national security seriously. Jadhav entered Iran on legal visa and have set up business there in Iran which is directly linked to Chabahar port investment.

Kulbushan Jadhav was abducted in March 2016, Chabahar and Gwadar ports are just 72 km apart ,
Gwadar Port became formally operational on 14 November 2016.



I dont think so , he will be swapped similar like Anna Chapman.

:lol: Ok for a second he was abducted but with a FAKE PASSPORT in a Muslim name right??????????

So tell ICJ why he was having that name was he converted by force mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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Lolzzz India with all her atrocities in Held Kashmir against the Kashmiris how can UN working for saving Humanity phrase goes with Indian having bigger role or even making UN stronger?

Citizens of Jammu and kashmir are well aware about the millions of troops deployed around the Indian borders and how Indian Armed Forces are defending the borders of Republic of India. United Nations Member States are well aware about the real situation and here Indian Establishment have been successful to show Indian Citizens who are creating problems for Republic of India's national interest.


Can you explain little more? I mean how role of ICJ can be linked to CPEC development ?

Chinese foreign policy is clearly visible and Chinese are using CPEC to further complicate border dispute talks.

:lol: Ok for a second he was abducted but with a FAKE PASSPORT in a Muslim name right??????????

So tell ICJ why he was having that name was he converted by force mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Jadav passport details are well aware to the Iranian Authorities as his visa was issued by the Iranians which even the Iranian Authorities doesnt deny.
 
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Pakistan did all wrong in Yadev's case and that of Brahamdagh Bugti.
First of all it was not necessary to inform Indians/ world of him at all, once information was extracted, he should have been served sentence quietly.
West is prejudice and vs. Pakistan they are extremely prejudice. There should be no doubts about it.

Secondly, Pakistan should have courted Iran for letting India run terror operations in Baluchistan for about 3 decades.
It's technical... when India is at fault than Iran is automatically at fault and by relieving Iran India is automatically relieved.

Foreign agents and nonsense type of people are running govt. of Pakistan.
If true this is a huge slap on face of govt. in general and foreign office in particular.

Imagine, US can torture Afia (woman) and turn her insane, but Pakistan foreign office failed to contact Hague!
Bangladesh can hang its own nationals by labeling them Pakistanis, again Pakistan foreign office is sleeping!
Hundreds of Pakistan kids were killed in Peshawar and there was evidence of RAW hand, but who cares in Pakistan because kids of foreign office were getting US visa, ever more!

Now if India managed to safe KJ Pakistan's foreign office deserve shooting squad.
 
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Jadav passport details are well aware to the Iranian Authorities as his visa was issued by the Iranians which even the Iranian Authorities doesnt deny.

Yes dear so why fake credentials ??? would ICJ be all smiling over this or question?
 
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The dilemma with India is that they can not confirm release of Yadav and also cant leave IWT that easily.

Now who told you that ?? IWT our trump card and no one plays it so easily. Just suppose India scraps IWT all together and start diverting the water. (we still don't have the capacity to do that, but that's matter of other discussion)

What are Pakistan's Options then ?? Straight away you can't go to a war, because that will be like Playing according to India's tune. :p:
 
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Iranian Authorities are well aware regarding Jadav while issuing him visa .
:):):):) in a FAKE NAME. that complicates your case further.
but anyway let give him a shtaay for now

Iranian Authorities are well aware regarding Jadav while issuing him visa .
:):):):) in a FAKE NAME. that complicates your case further.
but anyway let give him a shtaay for now
 
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Yes dear so why fake credentials ??? would ICJ be all smiling over this or question?

My serious doubt, if I were to run ISI, I would rather plant a Pakistani inside India with a legitimate or more legitimate looking Indian Passport. The classic being that of "Eli Cohen" the famous Israeli spy who was planted inside Syria using a Syrian passport not a fake Israeli passport.

Similarly if India was to plant him inside Pakistan we would have acquired a Pakistani passport and even an ID, provided guy's like Mulla Mansoor could easily make one for him, then why can't India with all our Afghani and Pakistani contacts ??? Just think and reply. :)
 
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:):):):) in a FAKE NAME. that complicates your case further.
but anyway let give him a shtaay for now


:):):):) in a FAKE NAME. that complicates your case further.
but anyway let give him a shtaay for now

Problem is not regarding the identity of Jadhav nor Jadhav's Visa but the problem lies with the situation in West Asia. Iranian Authorities are well aware about the identity of Jadhav and on this basis only Indian Authorities have talked with Iranian Embassy.
 
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This has happened last time so Pakistan should not trust ICJ and their
Jurisdiction.

On June 21, 2000, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled (14-2) that it lacks jurisdiction to adjudicate the dispute brought by Pakistan against India in September 1999. The Court, which is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations entrusted with settling legal disputes between sovereign States, consists of 15 judges elected to nine-year terms by the UN General Assembly and Security Council, together with two judges ad hoc appointed especially for the case by Pakistan and India. The ICJ has its seat at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the Netherlands.

Pakistan's Application of September 21, 1999, requested the Court to declare that India is responsible under international law for the shooting down, on August 10, 1999, of an unarmed aircraft of the Pakistani navy allegedly by Indian air force planes. The aerial incident resulted in the death of all 16 personnel on board who allegedly were on a routine training mission over Pakistani territory. Pakistan also maintained that Indian air force helicopters violated its territorial integrity by visiting the aircraft's crash site inside Pakistan territory, in an attempt to pick up items from the debris immediately after the incident. In Pakistan's view, the actions of the Indian air force violated its sovereignty and breached India's obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force under Article 2, paragraph 4 of the UN Charter, other treaties and customary international law. Pakistan also claimed that India's actions constituted breaches of the 1991 Agreement on Prevention of Air Space Violations between both countries for which India must bear international responsibility. Article 1 of the 1991 Agreement obligates both countries to ensure that violations of each other's air space do not take place and provides that if any violation occurs inadvertently, the incident is to be investigated promptly and the other side informed of the results without delay. Pakistan asked the Court to hold that India is obligated to make reparations to it for the loss of the navy aircraft and to the heirs of the Pakistani servicemen.

First, Pakistan relied on Article 17 of the 1928 General Act for Pacific Settlement of Disputes as providing jurisdiction to the ICJ as successor to the Permanent Court of International Justice (PCIJ), which functioned between 1922 and 1945. Article 17 provides that all disputes with regard to which the parties to the General Act are in conflict as to their respective rights are to be submitted for decision to the PCIJ (currently the ICJ, as Article 37 of the ICJ Statute provides). In Pakistan's view, the General Act survived the demise of the League of Nations and is a treaty that is still in force, having devolved upon India at the time of its independence in 1947. However, India referred to a communication of September 18, 1974, addressed to the UN Secretary-General stating that India "never regarded [itself] as bound by the General Act of 1928 since [its] Independence in 1947, whether by succession or otherwise." Based on this statement, which in any event was found to have served as a notification of denunciation, the Court concluded that India cannot be regarded as having been a party to the General Act at the date of filing of Pakistan's Application, so that the General Act does not form a basis of jurisdiction.

As an additional basis of the Court's jurisdiction, Pakistan relied on the declarations made by the two States accepting the Court's compulsory jurisdiction under Article 36(2) of the ICJ Statute. That provision, known as the "Optional Clause," provides that States Parties to the ICJ Statute (currently all the 188 UN Member States and Switzerland) may at any time file with the UN Secretary-General declarations stating that they recognize as compulsory, without special agreement, in relation to any other State accepting the same obligation, the Court's jurisdiction over all legal disputes concerning the interpretation of a treaty, any question of international law, the existence of any fact which, if established, would constitute a breach of an international obligation, or the nature or extent of the reparation to be made for the breach of an international obligation. India challenged the Court's jurisdiction, invoking a reservation contained in its declaration of September 18, 1974, which excludes from jurisdiction "disputes with the government of any State which is or has been a Member of the Commonwealth of Nations." Pakistan argued that India's Commonwealth reservation lay outside the range of reservations permitted by the Court's Statute and that it is in any event obsolete and lacks any contemporary justification because members of the Commonwealth are no longer united by a common allegiance to the British Crown and the modes of dispute settlement originally contemplated never materialized. Rejecting Pakistan's arguments, the Court pointed out that, whatever may have been the reasons causing India to limit the scope of its acceptance of the Court's compulsory jurisdiction in the way it did, it must abide by this limitation expressing the intention of India as the declarant State. Given that Pakistan and India are both members of the Commonwealth of Nations, the Optional Clause provides no basis of jurisdiction in this case.

Finally, Pakistan invoked Article 36, paragraph 1 of the ICJ Statute as a basis of jurisdiction. According to this provision, the Court's jurisdiction comprises all matters specially provided for in the UN Charter or in treaties and conventions in force. However, the Court concluded that the Charter and a bilateral treaty relied on by Pakistan do not contain any specific provision of itself conferring compulsory jurisdiction on the Court.

Notwithstanding its rejection of jurisdiction, the Court reminded both parties that the international obligations which they have undertaken still require that they seek a peaceful settlement of their disputes in good faith, including in particular the dispute arising out of the aerial incident of August 10, 1999.

This is the second time since the judgment in Aegean Sea Continental Shelf (Greece v. Turkey) rendered in 1978 that the Court has found, at a preliminary stage, that it is without jurisdiction to entertain an application. On December 4, 1998, the Court dismissed a case brought by Spain against Canada involving a fisheries jurisdiction dispute in the initial phase of the proceedings.

India and Pakistan also were involved in litigation before the Court in the 1970s, namely in Appeal Relating to the Jurisdiction of the ICAO Council (India v. Pakistan) and Trial of Pakistani Prisoners of War (Pakistan v. India).

The text of the decision is available from the Court's web site: http://www.icj-cij.org.


About the Author:
White & Case LLP, New York City; formerly of the ICJ Registry.
https://www.asil.org/insights/volum...urisdiction-1999-aerial-incident-case-brought
 
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My serious doubt, if I were to run ISI, I would rather plant a Pakistani inside India with a legitimate or more legitimate looking Indian Passport. The classic being that of "Eli Cohen" the famous Israeli spy who was planted inside Syria using a Syrian passport not a fake Israeli passport.

Similarly if India was to plant him inside Pakistan we would have acquired a Pakistani passport and even an ID, provided guy's like Mulla Mansoor could easily make one for him, then why can't India with all our Afghani and Pakistani contacts ??? Just think and reply. :)

Please read the post bellow by your own Indian member.
:) and also let us forget about any plantation for a moment. The question remains why fake identity ??
Problem is not regarding the identity of Jadhav nor Jadhav's Visa but the problem lies with the situation in West Asia. Iranian Authorities are well aware about the identity of Jadhav and on this basis only Indian Authorities have talked with Iranian Embassy.

Means Iranian Government is also involved and a party to this case. So ICJ has to listen to Iran too and question her as well.

This has happened last time so Pakistan should not trust ICJ and their
Jurisdiction.

On June 21, 2000, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled (14-2) that it lacks jurisdiction to adjudicate the dispute brought by Pakistan against India in September 1999. The Court, which is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations entrusted with settling legal disputes between sovereign States, consists of 15 judges elected to nine-year terms by the UN General Assembly and Security Council, together with two judges ad hoc appointed especially for the case by Pakistan and India. The ICJ has its seat at the Peace Palace in The Hague, the Netherlands.

Pakistan's Application of September 21, 1999, requested the Court to declare that India is responsible under international law for the shooting down, on August 10, 1999, of an unarmed aircraft of the Pakistani navy allegedly by Indian air force planes. The aerial incident resulted in the death of all 16 personnel on board who allegedly were on a routine training mission over Pakistani territory. Pakistan also maintained that Indian air force helicopters violated its territorial integrity by visiting the aircraft's crash site inside Pakistan territory, in an attempt to pick up items from the debris immediately after the incident. In Pakistan's view, the actions of the Indian air force violated its sovereignty and breached India's obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force under Article 2, paragraph 4 of the UN Charter, other treaties and customary international law. Pakistan also claimed that India's actions constituted breaches of the 1991 Agreement on Prevention of Air Space Violations between both countries for which India must bear international responsibility. Article 1 of the 1991 Agreement obligates both countries to ensure that violations of each other's air space do not take place and provides that if any violation occurs inadvertently, the incident is to be investigated promptly and the other side informed of the results without delay. Pakistan asked the Court to hold that India is obligated to make reparations to it for the loss of the navy aircraft and to the heirs of the Pakistani servicemen.

First, Pakistan relied on Article 17 of the 1928 General Act for Pacific Settlement of Disputes as providing jurisdiction to the ICJ as successor to the Permanent Court of International Justice (PCIJ), which functioned between 1922 and 1945. Article 17 provides that all disputes with regard to which the parties to the General Act are in conflict as to their respective rights are to be submitted for decision to the PCIJ (currently the ICJ, as Article 37 of the ICJ Statute provides). In Pakistan's view, the General Act survived the demise of the League of Nations and is a treaty that is still in force, having devolved upon India at the time of its independence in 1947. However, India referred to a communication of September 18, 1974, addressed to the UN Secretary-General stating that India "never regarded [itself] as bound by the General Act of 1928 since [its] Independence in 1947, whether by succession or otherwise." Based on this statement, which in any event was found to have served as a notification of denunciation, the Court concluded that India cannot be regarded as having been a party to the General Act at the date of filing of Pakistan's Application, so that the General Act does not form a basis of jurisdiction.

As an additional basis of the Court's jurisdiction, Pakistan relied on the declarations made by the two States accepting the Court's compulsory jurisdiction under Article 36(2) of the ICJ Statute. That provision, known as the "Optional Clause," provides that States Parties to the ICJ Statute (currently all the 188 UN Member States and Switzerland) may at any time file with the UN Secretary-General declarations stating that they recognize as compulsory, without special agreement, in relation to any other State accepting the same obligation, the Court's jurisdiction over all legal disputes concerning the interpretation of a treaty, any question of international law, the existence of any fact which, if established, would constitute a breach of an international obligation, or the nature or extent of the reparation to be made for the breach of an international obligation. India challenged the Court's jurisdiction, invoking a reservation contained in its declaration of September 18, 1974, which excludes from jurisdiction "disputes with the government of any State which is or has been a Member of the Commonwealth of Nations." Pakistan argued that India's Commonwealth reservation lay outside the range of reservations permitted by the Court's Statute and that it is in any event obsolete and lacks any contemporary justification because members of the Commonwealth are no longer united by a common allegiance to the British Crown and the modes of dispute settlement originally contemplated never materialized. Rejecting Pakistan's arguments, the Court pointed out that, whatever may have been the reasons causing India to limit the scope of its acceptance of the Court's compulsory jurisdiction in the way it did, it must abide by this limitation expressing the intention of India as the declarant State. Given that Pakistan and India are both members of the Commonwealth of Nations, the Optional Clause provides no basis of jurisdiction in this case.

Finally, Pakistan invoked Article 36, paragraph 1 of the ICJ Statute as a basis of jurisdiction. According to this provision, the Court's jurisdiction comprises all matters specially provided for in the UN Charter or in treaties and conventions in force. However, the Court concluded that the Charter and a bilateral treaty relied on by Pakistan do not contain any specific provision of itself conferring compulsory jurisdiction on the Court.

Notwithstanding its rejection of jurisdiction, the Court reminded both parties that the international obligations which they have undertaken still require that they seek a peaceful settlement of their disputes in good faith, including in particular the dispute arising out of the aerial incident of August 10, 1999.

This is the second time since the judgment in Aegean Sea Continental Shelf (Greece v. Turkey) rendered in 1978 that the Court has found, at a preliminary stage, that it is without jurisdiction to entertain an application. On December 4, 1998, the Court dismissed a case brought by Spain against Canada involving a fisheries jurisdiction dispute in the initial phase of the proceedings.

India and Pakistan also were involved in litigation before the Court in the 1970s, namely in Appeal Relating to the Jurisdiction of the ICAO Council (India v. Pakistan) and Trial of Pakistani Prisoners of War (Pakistan v. India).

The text of the decision is available from the Court's web site: http://www.icj-cij.org.


About the Author:
White & Case LLP, New York City; formerly of the ICJ Registry.
https://www.asil.org/insights/volum...urisdiction-1999-aerial-incident-case-brought

That is a plus point. In this case also ICJ has no jurisdiction.
 
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The dilemma with India is that they can not confirm release of Yadav and also cant leave IWT that easily.
Sir,

You have used the word dilemma which means to choose between difficult options.

The only country who would be facing dilemma is Pakistan.

May you choose the best option :P
 
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Please read the post bellow by your own Indian member.
:) and also let us forget about any plantation for a moment. The question remains why fake identity ??

Now who told that, your own ISI and military establishment right ?? I doubt no one in a civilian court had even seen the case, let alone the evidence. And regarding your Parliament they are still in the dark I guess. LOL

http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/1...-board-on-matter-of-kulbhushan-khursheed-shah

And you still want the world to believe your story ??
 
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