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India rejects Balochistan charge, says no proof given - India - The Times of India


ISLAMABAD: Indian external affairs minister S M Krishna on Thursday rejected Pakistan's charge of New Delhi's alleged role in the unrest in Balochistan, saying not a shred of evidence has been provided by Islamabad to bolster its claim.

"Forget about credible evidence. Till now, not a shred of evidence has been given to the Government of India," Krishna replied when a Pakistani journalist asked about India's alleged role in the insurgency in Balochistan.

If evidence is provided, the Government of India will look into it and will take responsibility for it, Krishna said at a joint media interaction with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi after their wide-ranging discussions here.



Interestingly, Quereshi did not object to this line from Krishna at all. Puts to rest a lot of nonsense discussed on this forum about the dossiers given in Egypt etc. As they say, Jhoot ke paanv (feet) nahin hote



Edit.. The news is from Times of India, but the quote is verbatim since I saw it live. Can be confirmed on youtube etc in a few hours I guess
 
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How many times have we been over this..? You do realize it's pretty much impossible that GoI will acknowledge that proof was given to it? The childness, the naivity, the simplistic logic has no end in sight.
 
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that's a working efficiency and effectiveness of RAW.it's show that they can work much better than ISI. ISI should learn something form RAW...
 
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The only reason I see them accepting is if they're pressured by the west btw.
 
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that's a working efficiency and effectiveness of RAW.it's show that they can work much better than ISI. ISI should learn something form RAW...

Dude, you guys haven't been able to find any proof of ISI involvement either. Most of what we know about ISI is generally because of assumptions due to the same thing being repeated again and again by the media.
 
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yaar i had seen conference live. external minister ne kachra ker diya pakistani minister ka. wht he said "Forget about credible evidence. Till now, not a shred of evidence has been given to the Government of India". after that pakistani minister didn't utter a word against this.
 
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It's interesting to note btw that Musharraf said several times that proof was given to GoI regarding RAW's involvement. It depends on whose words you want to go on. Obviously Indians will take their ministers words and we will take Musharraf's word.

It's important to note that GoI rejecting Baloch evidence is like a thief rejecting evidence of their own crime. RAW is controlled by GoI hence any evidence against RAW means GoI is supporting terrorism itself. Of course it's not gonna acknowledge that einsteins.
 
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It's interesting to note btw that Musharraf said several times that proof was given to GoI regarding RAW's involvement. It depends on whose words you want to go on. Obviously Indians will take their ministers words and we will take Musharraf's word.

It's important to note that GoI rejecting Baloch evidence is like a thief rejecting evidence of their own crime. RAW is controlled by GoI hence any evidence against RAW means GoI is supporting terrorism itself. Of course it's not gonna acknowledge that einsteins.

2 key differences dude..

1. It was said in a joint Press conference where Quereshi did not dispute it.
2. It was in Islamabad in response to a Pakistani news reporter's question

India is not rejecting evidence. Its rejecting the notion that anything (credible or not) has been shared. As we said earlier, its all vapour ware, a bogey Pakistan is propogating to divert attention from the issue of Pakistan sponsored terrorism in India
 
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Dude, you guys haven't been able to find any proof of ISI involvement either. Most of what we know about ISI is generally because of assumptions due to the same thing being repeated again and again by the media.

being a pakistani obviously u will protect ISI.....but no one caring bcoz entire world knows reputation of ISI...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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2 key differences dude..

1. It was said in a joint Press conference where Quereshi did not dispute it.
2. It was in Islamabad in response to a Pakistani news reporter's question

So what if Qureshi didn't say anything? It could mean more than just simplistic assumptions that you're making.

India is not rejecting evidence. Its rejecting the notion that anything (credible or not) has been shared. As we said earlier, its all vapour ware, a bogey Pakistan is propogating to divert attention from the issue of Pakistan sponsored terrorism in India

The simplistic way of thinking continues with no end in sight. I understand that India is saying evidence has not been shared and I am trying to explain why in my replies above.

As for the rest of your HIGHLY simplistic, childish, and naive drivel, here's what I have to say.

This is what I posted in another thread and I believe it's very accurate:

There's no empirical evidence suggesting Indian involvement in Pakistan but at the same time there's no such evidence either that Pakistan is involved in India and with Taliban. At least as far as we're talking about evidence that's out there in the public. What's not in public could be very different.

It really comes down to perspective and what people want to believe. Pretty much all Indians here believe that Pakistan supports terrorists in India and Taliban in Afghanistan without any evidence and have no problem accusing Pakistan. As such, it's only fair if Pakistanis do the same.


You are suggesting something along the lines of this: if Pakistan accuses India without proof, it's to divert attention. If India accuses Pakistan without proof, it's very much proof. Regardless to say, I don't have much to say about such self-righteous, holier than thou nonsense.
 
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being a pakistani obviously u will protect ISI.....but no one caring bcoz entire world knows reputation of ISI...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

And for the 100000th time, a childish, naive, and simplistic post by an Indian. I am really getting tired telling you guys again and again about the lack of your capability to think outside the box. I really hope you kids can grow out of this.

The rest of the world (i.e. the western world) is irrelevant since they have similar interests to India at this point in time.
 
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No.. I am not saying this at all. Its not the question of who is accusing who with or without evidence.

I am simply saying that some Pakistanys lied that evidence / dossier has been shared which is not the case..
 
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I will try to be simple and neutral here.

Was any evidence provided in Egypt? Probably not. Was any evidence provided to GoI ever? It's inconclusive as GoI says no but Musharraf to even current PPP government says yes. GoI is not going to say that they got evidence as it goes heavily against their interests. Similarly Musharraf and PPP both might be lying about it as it goes with their interests.
 
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Balochistan and India



By Hamid Mir
Why Manmohan Singh is under fire in India? He is the first ever Indian prime minister who is being blamed by the Indian opposition and media for surrendering to Pakistan in Sharm el-Sheikh. Many Indians are not happy over the reference of Balochistan in the joint statement released in Sharm el- Sheikh after the meeting of Indian and Pakistani prime ministers. Some Indians think that Manmohan stabbed them in the back by accepting the Indian interference in Balochistan. There are reports that Pakistani prime minister pressurised Manmohan in Sharm el-Sheikh by handing over a dossier of alleged Indian cross-border terrorism in Balochistan and that was how Indian prime minister was forced to accept the word Balochistan in the joint statement.

I was present in Sharm el-Shekh. I remember that many Indian journalists were shocked after reading the joint statement. They started asking me that why Balochistan is mentioned in the statement? In fact many of them were not aware like many common Indians that what is going on in Balochistan. Within a few hours I started receiving calls from many Indian TV channels that what evidence was shown by Pakistan to Manmohan Singh about the alleged Indian involvement in Balochistan? In fact the Pakistani prime minister did mention Balochistan to Manmohan Singh but he never handed over any dossier to his Indian counterpart.

The situation in Balochistan came under detailed discussion during the first meeting of the foreign secretaries in the evening of July 14 in Sharm el-Sheikh which took place two days before the meeting of Manmohan and Yousaf Raza Gilani. Pakistani foreign secretary Salman Bashir told Shiv Shankar Menon that India must delink the talks from terrorism otherwise Pakistan will be forced to produce at least “three Indian Ajmal Kasab’s” in front of international media who were directly or indirectly part of the terrorist activities in Balochistan and Pakistan will easily establish that Indian consulate in Afghan city of Kandhar is actually a control room of all the terrorist activities organised by the separatist Balochistan Liberation Army.

Salman Bashir told Indian foreign secretary that both Pakistan and India cannot afford a blame game right now. If Pakistan will come out with evidence that Indians are responsible for attacking Chinese engineers in the Gwadar port city it may damage Indian credibility on one side but it will also spread more anti-India feelings in Pakistan and extremist forces will be the ultimate beneficiaries.

First of all this new blame game will only help those extremist forces who successfully organised attacks in Mumbai on Nov 26, 2008, just to derail the India-Pakistan peace process. Secondly it will also harm relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US does not want any tensions between Islamabad and Kabul at this stage because NATO forces are trying their best to conduct a new presidential election in Afghanistan in coming few weeks. Thirdly the PPP led coalition government is aware that Balochistan is not a serious dispute like Jammu and Kashmir, it’s a problem of provincial rights and instead of internationalising the problem Islamabad should address the problem realistically. Islamabad cannot get away by just blaming India for unrest in Balochistan. Behind the scene talks with many Baloch militants are going on and good news may come out soon in this regard.

Pakistan is making noise against the Indian involvement in Balochistan insurgency in a very careful, well-calculated and “limited manner.” Recently a prominent US magazine Foreign Affairs (March 2009) published the report of a roundtable discussion on the causes of instability in Pakistan. Christine Fair of RAND Corporation clearly said in that discussion that “having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Balochistan.”

This allegation came from a very credible American scholar who recently visited Indian consulate in Zahedan. Now where is Zahedan? It is the capital of Iranian province Sistan-o-Balochistan bordering Pakistan. More than two million Balochis live in the Iranian side of Balochistan. Iran is building a big port of Chabahar in the same area with the active help of India. Top Iranian leaders have alleged many times that American CIA is supporting Iranian Balochis to destabilise the Islamic Republic. Famous American journalist Seymour Hersh admitted in July 2008 that Bush administration gave million of dollars to a separatist Iranian group “Jandallah” which is responsible for violence in Iranian part of Baluchistan.

The presence of China in Pakistani Balochistan is also a problem for US administration. The Chinese are accused of using Gwadar as a listening post for monitoring US military activities in the Persian Gulf. If Pakistan will play India card in Balochistan, many anti-US forces in Pakistan will ask that why Pakistan is silent over the role of CIA in Baluchistan which is using Jandallah against Iran? We must know that Balochis are Kurds of South Asia. Kurds are divided in Iran, Turkey and Iraq while the Balochis are divided in Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. Separatist groups in Pakistan and Iran want the unification of the Baloch areas which is not acceptable to both the countries.

Musharraf gave the Gwadar port city to Chinese for development in 2003.That was the beginning of a new problem. Three Chinese engineers were killed and nine were injured on May 3rd 2004 in a remote controlled car bomb attack. Two months after that incident, Pakistan claimed on July 2nd 2004 first time that India was involved in that bomb attack. Local Baluchis were not happy over the employment of many non-Baluchis in the main development projects of their province. They also wanted a fairer share of royalties generated by the production of natural gas in their province. Instead of addressing their griviences, Musharraf regime launched a third military operation against them in 2005 which further aggravated the situation.

Why Indians must discuss Balochistan with Pakistan? Balochistan will be the route of at least two multinational gas pipelines. One will come from Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan; the other will come from Iran to Pakistan. India could be a beneficiary of both the gas pipelines. These two pipelines could be extended from Multan to New Delhi. I think there is no harm for India to discuss Balochistan with Pakistan because stability in Balochistan will ultimately benefit India.

Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, China and India should join hands with each other, stop proxy wars in Kashmir and Baluchistan as soon as possible and they can change the fate of the whole region.



The writer is the executive editor of Geo TV in Islamabad. Email: hamid.mir@geo.tv
The News International - No. 1 English Newspaper from Pakistan - Thursday, July 15, 2010
 
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^^ Unnamed sources.. conspiracy theories ... nonsense galore.. What else to expect from Pakistani media on these issues...

Check the video of the Q&A from today's conference... you will get your facts
 
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