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India refuses to soften its stand on China Pakistan Economic Corridor

India's sees compromise as weekness. They think like @GURU DUTT , that without India. CPEC will fail. The fact that China keep on inviting India reinforce that image in Indian eyes.

I don't agree with Indians here on many things, but one thing I agree with them is that China should stop asking. India not only want to prevent Pakistan from developing, which CPEC will accomplish, in order to one day absorb a poor Pakistan. But India want to prevent China from securing more energy routes.

So the Indian sovereignty on Kashmir is just an excuse from its nefarious intention of keeping Pakistan poor and keep China from bypass Indian Ocean and strait of Malacca.
Fact is India does not cares what china or pakistan thinks and wants what matters to us is owr long and short terms goals and what both china and pakistan did to us in the past but what i do not get from your post is what was your point ? as my point was very clear that under no circumstances india will never ever become part of any China and pakistan led OBOR or CEPC like economik or energy corridoar period but what is your point @faithfulguy if i may ask you again SIR ?
 
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India's sees compromise as weekness. They think like @GURU DUTT , that without India. CPEC will fail. The fact that China keep on inviting India reinforce that image in Indian eyes.

I don't agree with Indians here on many things, but one thing I agree with them is that China should stop asking. India not only want to prevent Pakistan from developing, which CPEC will accomplish, in order to one day absorb a poor Pakistan. But India want to prevent China from securing more energy routes.

So the Indian sovereignty on Kashmir is just an excuse from its nefarious intention of keeping Pakistan poor and keep China from bypass Indian Ocean and strait of Malacca.
Bold part is a living testament that your geo-political knowledge is zilch....Were you living under a rock when China was fuming, when Dalai Lama visit Arunachal? Or when Trump made a call to Taiwan?? CPEC is going through our land illegally occupied by Pakistan...One has to be retard to be part of any such initiative...b/w have you heard about BCIM??? So stop pretending that we will throw out our core concerns while the other side fumes at even non-events...
 
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The way Pakistan see's it, as the various regional projects mature the more bitching and whining will come out of India.

China understands this and being a mature state, is trying to sooth the hysterical indian ego

India being a drama queen is holding back the tears and snot and mumbling under her breath how she will show everyone

You tried, what else can you do

I agree. It's like a 3 year old having a hissy fit. China is pleading like a parent for India to see reason. But India regards Chinese overtures as weakness. That is an attitude of a three year old in international diplomacy.

Bold part is a living testament that your geo-political knowledge is zilch....Were you living under a rock when China was fuming, when Dalai Lama visit Arunachal? Or when Trump made a call to Taiwan?? CPEC is going through our land illegally occupied by Pakistan...One has to be retard to be part of any such initiative...b/w have you heard about BCIM??? So stop pretending that we will throw out our core concerns while the other side fumes at even non-events...

Kashmir is an internationally recognized disputed territory. Just like South Tibet. Taiwan/China is a civil war. You need to know the difference.

I need to distinguish between a disputed territory vs none disputed territory. I'd India does not, its action won't be different than a 3 year old kid having hissy fit.

Fact is India does not cares what china or pakistan thinks and wants what matters to us is owr long and short terms goals and what both china and pakistan did to us in the past but what i do not get from your post is what was your point ? as my point was very clear that under no circumstances india will never ever become part of any China and pakistan led OBOR or CEPC like economik or energy corridoar period but what is your point @faithfulguy if i may ask you again SIR ?

My point is that as India in regard to CPEC is behaving like a 3 year old having hissy fit, China and Pakistan should understand this childish behavior.
 
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My point is that as India in regard to CPEC is behaving like a 3 year old having hissy fit, China and Pakistan should understand this childish behavior.

no you are wrong we do not react like that when money and development is involved no matter who we are talking to that's our second nature but we know China will always try to over power and do what it did in 1962 so we will never ever give China that second chance no matter what money or no money as no amount of money is important than your freedom and sovereignty
 
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Published May 9, 2017
SOURCE: ET

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India has rejected China’s contention that Beijing had never acknowledged Pakistan’s claims on parts of Jammu and Kashmir as final, underscoring its sustained opposition to the One Belt One Road (OBOR) project that New Delhi believes infringes sovereignty.

To overcome India’s resistance, China has revived its four-point proposal to overcome its differences with India and deepen relations by aligning its OBOR project with New Delhi’s ‘Act East Policy’, and restarting negotiations on a free-trade pact.

India, which is unlikely to attend the May 14-15 OBOR Summit in Beijing, has been opposed to the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) – the flagship project under OBOR as it passes through Pakoccupied Kashmir, infringing sovereignty.

The CPEC will link Kashgar in Xinjiang in China and a deep sea port at Gwadar in Balochistan in south-western Pakistan. The peace proposal put forward last week by Chinese envoy LuoZhaohui also includes starting negotiations on a ‘’China-India Treaty of Good Neighbourliness and Friendly Cooperation’’ and prioritising an early solution to the border dispute between the two countries. Luo in further outreach stated that China is not opposed to any country’s membership to the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group (NSG), believing that a standard for admission should be agreed upon first.

However, it is unlikely that Beijing will change its previous position on criteria-based membership at the next NSG plenary mid-June in Switzerland.

Beijing had recently conveyed to New Delhi that the title and Article 6 of its 1963 agreement with Islamabad showed that China not only recognized Kashmir as an issue of territorial dispute between India and Pakistan, but also remained open to renegotiate the agreement after India and Pakistan settled the dispute, persons familiar with the matter indicated.

Delhi, however, made it clear to Beijing that it considered the 1963 China-Pakistan boundary agreement itself as “illegal and invalid,” said one of the persons quoted above. Beijing tried to convey to Delhi that its 54-year-old agreement with Islamabad recognized Pakistan’s claim on the disputed territory only as an interim measure, pending the settlement of its dispute with India. Beijing also claimed that the contents of the Sino-Pak boundary pact adequately “accommodated the concerns” of India.

The pact Beijing signed with Islamabad in 1963 was titled “Agreement Between the Government of the People’s Republic of China and the Government of Pakistan on the Boundary Between China’s Xinjiang and the Contiguous Areas the Defence of Which is Under the Actual Control of Pakistan”.

Article 6 of provides that when India and Pakistan would settle the Kashmir dispute, “the sovereign authority concerned would reopen negotiations with the government of the People’s Republic of China, on the boundary as described in Article 2 of the present agreement, so as to sign a formal Boundary Treaty to replace the present agreement.”

It is well known that Islamabad illegally ceded 5180 square kms of India’s territory to China through the pact. Beijing already pledged to invest $ 62 billion in the CPEC. Speaking at a closed door meet at the United Services Institute here last Friday, Ambassador Luo not only put forward the peace proposal, but also said that China is willing to mediate to resolve Indo-Pak differences if both sides accept it. “When the Mumbai terrorist Attack on November 26, 2008, took place, I was the Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan, and I did a lot of mediation at that time,” he claimed.
Just one simple question Mr Logical man Sir! Who asked India or Indiots to do so?? Please clarify.
 
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no you are wrong we do not react like that when money and development is involved no matter who we are talking to that's our second nature but we know China will always try to over power and do what it did in 1962 so we will never ever give China that second chance no matter what money or no money as no amount of money is important than your freedom and sovereignty

If you feel that it's India's second nature to have hissy fit, than you at least admit the facts, even though you disagree that it's a problem.

In 1962, India forward policy was in affect the cause of war. India can avoid a repeat of 1962 by avoiding aggressive policy.
 
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India refuses to soften its stand on China Pakistan Economic Corridor


On CPEC, China to India:
Go with the flow baby.

India to China: Only dead fish go with the flow.

Wait for China's wittiest reply tomorrow on this...

Or if you have one of your own.
Post it.

Meanwhile the situation has been amended by China:

Beijing deletes envoy's suggestion to rename China-Pakistan corridor:

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Kashmir is an internationally recognized disputed territory. Just like South Tibet. Taiwan/China is a civil war. You need to know the difference.

I need to distinguish between a disputed territory vs none disputed territory. I'd India does not, its action won't be different than a 3 year old kid having hissy fit.
Actually your post is at the level of 3 year old...the point is not about disputed territory or not...point is about your core issues...China makes lot of fuss on South China sea as welll...and there is not even a dispute on that front...everyone knows china is behaving like a retard there...yet they make lot of noise...so cut the crap..will ya!!
 
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Why is it that China is always offering cooperation and concessions, just like when Zhou Enlai made an offer to recognise AP in 1960... and India is always rejecting these overtures in favour of aggression and conflict?

Why is the China is offering concessions and co-operations of "Zero" value to Indians after confronting Indians on Azhar Issue in UN, NSG membership issue and last the soverignity issue related to CPEC? Chinese drama to recent Dalai Lama visit is even more perplexing. Its not the first time he is visiting AP.

Dont act like China is behaving like a angel. We response according to ur play. Simple as that.
 
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Why is the China is offering concessions and co-operations of "Zero" value to Indians after confronting Indians on Azhar Issue in UN, NSG membership issue and last the soverignity issue related to CPEC? Chinese drama to recent Dalai Lama visit is even more perplexing. Its not the first time he is visiting AP.

Dont act like China is behaving like a angel. We response according to ur play. Simple as that.

Don't you guys understand, if India joined CPEC then it would push the narrative that nobody can do anything in Indian-claimed Kashmir without Indian involvement, basically a recognition of India's claims there. China was offering a big win to India, but India of course turned it down.
 
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Don't you guys understand, if India joined CPEC then it would push the narrative that nobody can do anything in Indian-claimed Kashmir without Indian involvement, basically a recognition of India's claims there. China was offering a big win to India, but India of course turned it down.

How? It will be a recognition of an project passing through an disputed territory controlled by Pakistan. And what benefit it will bring India. Will Chinese pay customs to us? Or pay tolls to us? Or pray tell us the benefits of CPEC to India. If Chinese do manufacture goods from Pakistan, India are the biggest market near them. We have to give them more trade benefits to enable them to sell goods to India. How will you bring the change?

Already Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor with 90B$ Japanese assistance, Chennai Bangalore in South with some 40B corridors are going on. We are not making a big deal as these alone wont fund Indian growth. Why should we join something that will dump Chinese goods on us, with plants in Pakistan(if they are built)? Pray tell us benefits. And Pakistan refuses us land access to transfer goods to CA states.
 
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How? It will be a recognition of an project passing through an disputed territory controlled by Pakistan. And what benefit it will bring India. Will Chinese pay customs to us? Or pay tolls to us? Or pray tell us the benefits of CPEC to India. If Chinese do manufacture goods from Pakistan, India are the biggest market near them. We have to give them more trade benefits to enable them to sell goods to India. How will you bring the change?

Already Delhi Mumbai Industrial Corridor with 90B$ Japanese assistance, Chennai Bangalore in South with some 40B corridors are going on. We are not making a big deal as these alone wont fund Indian growth. Why should we join something that will dump Chinese goods on us, with plants in Pakistan(if they are built)? Pray tell us benefits. And Pakistan refuses us land access to transfer goods to CA states.
China and Pakistan will benefit...primarily China...and that is India's benefit :lol: ...one has to be moron to not get such a simple thing...:D
 
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