India reaches out to global community, says Pak army not the target

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I doubt it; in fact, if India can prove it killed terrorists, Pakistan would likely have little choice but to back off, as India would gain practically the entirety of international support.

No dear, rather than to accept in open that there were indeed terrorist, the wise decision would be to bury them in silence. Anyways, who is going to come crying and asking for their kith and kin who they sent to some training camp.

As I said, proofs will be furnished on need basis to international community which can help in deescalation. Providing proof to pakistani public will be counter productive and will put pressure on pak army to respond.

Even here in India, they are giving just enough to quench the emotions.

 

[surya kiran]

That is assume your stance is valid, and it isn't. All you've done is speculate on "ifs" and "buts", nothing more. India did not carry out such strikes, there is nothing more to it. All it did was launch some artillery strikes and shot and killed two Pakistani soldiers along the border, that is not a surgical strike, period.

India's goal has been to humiliate and isolate Pakistan internationally, this is its chance, so show the evidence. If India can show that these terrorists existed and were about to cross, Pakistan would have no choice but to back down, due to politically losing against India.

It is as simple as that.

Fine, if there were no strikes then it was an artillery strike. All sides are happy. India lied.

Believe me, there is no evidence is coming. I will be really really worried, if they provide evidence. That will be major escalation and humiliation for the PA since they were lying to their citizens about impregnable defence. The objective was not humiliation, but testing the threshold of the PA and proving a point. That has been done.

Btw, I cannot reply on the other thread, I am selectively not allowed to respond there due to some very intelligent forum options for the mods.

 

[hussain0216]

Fine, if there were no strikes then it was an artillery strike. All sides are happy. India lied.

Believe me, there is no evidence is coming. I will be really really worried, if they provide evidence. That will be major escalation and humiliation for the PA since they were lying to their citizens about impregnable defence. The objective was not humiliation, but testing the threshold of the PA and proving a point. That has been done.

Btw, I cannot reply on the other thread, I am selectively not allowed to respond there due to some very intelligent forum options for the mods.

But you killed 2 soldiers, how would every one be happy without a response to thise deaths?

 

[surya kiran]

But you killed 2 soldiers, how would every one be happy without a response to thise deaths?

Then this is a simple case of cross border firing. This by the way was the norm along the LoC pre 2000.

 

[hussain0216]

Then this is a simple case of cross border firing. This by the way was the norm along the LoC pre 2000.

So we should return border fire or find an alternative to kill some indians for the targeted deaths of our soldiers

 

[coffee_cup]

yeah yeah... SirGKal strikes.

Keep repeating it over and over and over again.

That doesn't change the fact, some Indian soldiers tried to cross over to Pakistani territory and were either killed, captured or escaped. Two soldiers on our side were martyred.

These things happen all over the world. But SirGKal strikes?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Honestly speaking, i haven't heard anything till now on this 14 killed thing, since Indian media doesn't really care about respect, they will still dig it....please have some patience...truth will prevail..

we are also keeping our patience as Elves .. no worries from our side

 

[That Guy]

No dear, rather than to accept in open that there were indeed terrorist, the wise decision would be to bury them in silence. Anyways, who is going to come crying and asking for their kith and kin who they sent to some training camp.

As I said, proofs will be furnished on need basis to international community which can help in deescalation. Providing proof to pakistani public will be counter productive and will put pressure on pak army to respond.

Even here in India, they are giving just enough to quench the emotions.

If you're right, than India's entire strategy of "isolating Pakistan" is a complete and utter failure.

No matter how you try and make your argument, it comes down to India failing its objectives.

Fine, if there were no strikes then it was an artillery strike. All sides are happy. India lied.

Believe me, there is no evidence is coming. I will be really really worried, if they provide evidence. That will be major escalation and humiliation for the PA since they were lying to their citizens about impregnable defence. The objective was not humiliation, but testing the threshold of the PA and proving a point. That has been done.

Btw, I cannot reply on the other thread, I am selectively not allowed to respond there due to some very intelligent forum options for the mods.

You were acting like a smart ***, which is why you can't use that thread.

As for the rest, it just seems like excuses. In fact, this entire exercise was to humiliate Pakistan, and nothing more. If India cannot present evidence, than its claims are worthless.

 

[coffee_cup]

As for the rest, it just seems like excuses. In fact, this entire exercise was to humiliate Pakistan, and nothing more. If India cannot present evidence, than its claims are worthless.

And as is always, it backfired massively and India got herself humiliated yet again.

Not that it would mean a tad for loudspeaker selfie-PM who is very much used to such humiliations, but still.... these SirGKal strikes were fun as long as it lasted.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Evidence or no evidence, india has accepted/admitted cross border attack, now it's our turn. We will attack at a time and place of our choosing. Those 17 indian roasts were just an appetizer

 

[surya kiran]

You were acting like a smart ***, which is why you can't use that thread.

As for the rest, it just seems like excuses. In fact, this entire exercise was to humiliate Pakistan, and nothing more. If India cannot present evidence, than its claims are worthless.

Well yes, I am guilty of that on that thread. But then, as an Indian it is good to hear Pakistan talking about 'strategic restraint'. Now that it works both ways.

Humiliation is a very emotionally charged word; not used in inter-state relations. You are free to believe that the reason was that. I believe, the reasoning as I explained, was to inform Pakistan about the ability to conduct limited war, much below the nuclear threshold.

As for this particular point you are making, this cannot happen. It has happened before. Cross border attacks happen regularly. The problem or change is, that, it has been publicized.

And while, you ask for evidence, I am happy till the time no evidence is publicly produced. And believe me, IF evidence is produced you are looking at a real escalation of the situation, because, then you are actually telling the world, the PA is lying, here is the evidence and they lied because they cannot do a thing about it. It is, honestly, not a place I would want to be in.

Please do go through the thread on 'Debunking the......' It has a sane discussion going on, with members from either side of the border.

Cheers!

 

[That Guy]

Well yes, I am guilty of that on that thread. But then, as an Indian it is good to hear Pakistan talking about 'strategic restraint'. Now that it works both ways.

Humiliation is a very emotionally charged word; not used in inter-state relations. You are free to believe that the reason was that. I believe, the reasoning as I explained, was to inform Pakistan about the ability to conduct limited war, much below the nuclear threshold.

As for this particular point you are making, this cannot happen. It has happened before. Cross border attacks happen regularly. The problem or change is, that, it has been publicized.

And while, you ask for evidence, I am happy till the time no evidence is publicly produced. And believe me, IF evidence is produced you are looking at a real escalation of the situation, because, then you are actually telling the world, the PA is lying, here is the evidence and they lied because they cannot do a thing about it. It is, honestly, not a place I would want to be in.

Please do go through the thread on 'Debunking the......' It has a sane discussion going on, with members from either side of the border.

Cheers!

I have been through that thread, so I continue to stand by my comments.

You're argument is the equivalent of saying "I'm right, because I said so, don't question me, because bad stuff will happen if you do". Well, I'm questioning you anyway. All you've done here is repeat your argument, nothing more.

There is nothing to suggest that releasing evidence would actually lead to an escalation, especially if India can prove it targeted terrorists. At the very least, show the footage of the terrorists, that much should be perfectly acceptable.

 

[surya kiran]

You're argument is the equivalent of saying "I'm right, because I said so, don't question me, because bad stuff will happen if you do". Well, I'm questioning you anyway. All you've done here is repeat your argument, nothing more.

Try to understand, I am not talking about whether the raid was successful or the degree of success. I am saying, this has been done before. The difference is in the announcement. By someone who is very senior in the hierarchy.

Going by events, I do not think anything is going to happen. Both sides have calmed down after firing duels. If you have people in the army circle, please feel free to speak with them. Your army, Pakistani Army, circle.

You are saying, India targetted terrorists and if evidence is presented it will prove Pakistan is culpable? You do realise, that is not the point, if evidence is released. IF evidence is released, it is actually telling Pakistanis, your borders are not secure. Your army cannot do anything about it. Your army has been lying to you and it is not as powerful as it seems to be. The repercussions of that are enormous. Terrorist no terrorist is besides the point.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Ab phat kiun rahee hai Indians ki?

 

[Manidabest]

India said that they done surgical strike and killed 35-40 terrorists and Pak army was not targeted.

personally I believe PAK army and govt will be denial mode. If they say that Indian army did it than they can't face pakistani people and Nawaj Pm chair will go...

well if your DM likens indian army with hanuman then surely they can take out those so called camps lol ....more u will cry now more u will b exposed because nobody is giving any importance to u guys .....