India ranks below Lanka, Bangladesh on healthcare index

[Nilgiri]

This is contradictory info.

Sri Lanka is better than India?
Pakistani, Bhutan, Nepal worse?

Basically a bunch of doctors come together and give their opinion on how to weight different things. Its a different set of doctors for each study....so that leads to the first big differences (given different weights, components etc).

Then we have the incoming data, depending on the methodology and country in question (specifically institutional credibility), that introduces a whole new level of error envelope. At some point you have to decide where a set of numbers can be taken to have accuracy to the actual situation....this is done in a very cloudy, somewhat arbitrary way in most cases by global agencies (Esp for countries where a lot of raw data and institutional quality is often lacking and there needs to be actual patching/further estimation). Creating estimates within an estimate and losing track of the effect it has on the end creates a hidden cascade effect (and never makes it to the official paper, you need to really dig for it each time)....but its done in the interest of having results between countries. This is actually published in detail in a WHO paper I remember reading must be 10 years ago or more now.

One thing I give credit to world poverty index is at least they put a qualifier in their numbers in saying the cross country comparison is limited (rather the index for each country should be used to compare only with itself over time...and only much more broadly when comparing with others)....but UN is much more keen on its globalist agenda (compared to say WPI) so it pushes for results more compared to ensuring better accuracy overall.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Ok.

Yeah.

Swaziland is 42. Pakistan is 43. North Korea is 62.
There is something wrong with the sanctity of the data.

India has done bad, but this...

Myanmar scores 48 in this and terrible in another survey!

 

[Nilgiri]

Ok.

Yeah.

Swaziland is 42. Pakistan is 43. North Korea is 62.
There is something wrong with the sanctity of the data.

India has done bad, but this...

Thats just the HAQ index (first number) which itself is I think just one part of the larger index they use to rank the countries.

It's also fuzzy what they exactly mean by the frontier index (where India does better than Bangladesh by a fair margin) in relation to the observed index....i.e what delineates the two and what the individual weights inside them are (esp their differences).

Early days, they are working stuff out still.

 

[kris]

All these data are given based upon number of beds/population and doctor - population ratio

In India may be many nursing homes have not registered to govts to avoid tax, also quacks are rampant at village level owing to results

 

[Bilal9]

Smaller states are easier to handle.
Moreover health is a state subject, with rampant corruption in local govts and no interest to maintain a good health Care is the main reason

I am guessing wealthier states do a better job at providing basic health services then?

Kerala of course but what about Maharashtra and Gujarat? Any stats?

Where is the link that shows the rankings?

All I can find is one news site quoting another.

The OP did post some links but more here,

http://thelancet.com/gbd/gbd-compare-visualisation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Burden_of_Disease_Study

India's healthcare facilities are world class so I think we need to make sure that it reaches to bottom most part of demographic pyramid. We need to put things right to have a big jump in ranking like we did in Electricity.

The problem is that for upperclass people you can have excellent facilities, but if basic health care suffers then you can't have healthy workforce.

 

[kris]

I am guessing wealthier states do a better job at providing basic health services then?

Kerala of course but what about Maharashtra and Gujarat? Any stats?



The OP did post some links but more here,

http://thelancet.com/gbd/gbd-compare-visualisation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Burden_of_Disease_Study


The problem is that for upperclass people you c.

Wealthier states can provide better facilities, but look at Cuba what it did to it's health infra.
Pretty good for a small country that too under sanctions.
A smaller state is easy to handle.
Apart from Kerala and Delhi to some extent no other state took public health seriously

 

[Nilgiri]

Wealthier states can provide better facilities, but look at Cuba what it did to it's health infra.
Pretty good for a small country that too under sanctions.
A smaller state is easy to handle.
Apart from Kerala and Delhi to some extent no other state took public health seriously

Cuba fakes a lot of their health data too. Just like Venezuela is now having to do.

For example people forget Cuba inherited quite a robust health system before Castro took over....and taking into account what they fake/distort (+ how much subsidy they received over 30+ years from the soviets)...there is no real miracle here essentially at all.

Poor institution (+ high propaganda seeking) capacity countries are vulnerable to having dissonance between what they put out on paper and what you see on the ground....esp when you have a globalist media cartel that are literally dieing to have such airy stories printed to criticize whichever home system they have in play at home.

India on other hand has a much more open media, independent court system and much more believable and credible govt data handling (as seen in the cato freedom index and corruption perception index)....so of course there will be more access to the "bad" stories and more honest data out there. Its a good thing, we can fix the problems ground up rather than make them go away on paper only.

You can judge the credibility of each nation's development data by looking up such indices (regarding their institutions and corruption) yourself.

 

[kris]

Cuba fakes a lot of their health data too. Just like Venezuela is now having to do.

For example people forget Cuba inherited quite a robust health system before Castro took over....and taking into account what they fake/distort (+ how much subsidy they received over 30+ years from the soviets)...there is no real miracle here essentially at all.

Poor institution (+ high propaganda seeking) capacity countries are vulnerable to having dissonance between what they put out on paper and what you see on the ground....esp when you have a globalist media cartel that are literally dieing to have such airy stories printed to criticize whichever home system they have in play at home.

India on other hand has a much more open media, independent court system and much more believable and credible govt data handling (as seen in the cato freedom index and corruption perception index)....so of course there will be more access to the "bad" stories and more honest data out there. Its a good thing, we can fix the problems ground up rather than make them go away on paper only.

You can judge the credibility of each nation's development data by looking up such indices (regarding their institutions and corruption) yourself.

Just regarding Cuba,
Cuba has sent many doctors on health camps out of their country during medical emergency needs

 

[Nilgiri]

Just regarding Cuba,
Cuba has sent many doctors on health camps out of their country during medical emergency needs

So? China exported grain when millions of their people were starving to death and even resorting to cannibalism. Look up the great leap forward famine.

France sent massive aid and military help to help with the American revolution (independence)...even though their finances were precariously poised already (and ultimately paid for it dearly with their own revolution)....for what? To bring their old enemy down a notch....no matter what their own internal reality was.

History is full of such examples....20th century is no different....neither will the 21st century be so.

Its all documented what authoritarian/totalitarian regimes are capable of. Low institution capacity countries are just a continuation of such phenomena in many cases (levels vary)....the same vulnerabilities inherently exist.

 

[Banglar Bir]

India ranks below Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, in healthcare index: Report

India's health care index has gone up in last 25 years from 30.7 to 44.8 but numbers are much lesser than Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan and Nepal.
By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Published:May 19, 2017 9:21 am

The results have revealed that India, in spite of socio-economic growth in the given time-period, has not managed to achieve its goals in health care department. (Representational image)

A report published on Thursday by Global Burden of Disease in The Lancet has revealed that India has recorded a poor health care index than several neighbouring Asian nations, including Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and China in last 25 years. The data, in the report, takes a look at 195 countries, between the years 1990-2015, and assesses the measuring mortality rates from 32 diseases which should not be fatal in presence of effective medical care. The results have revealed that India, in spite of socio-economic growth in the given time-period, has not managed to achieve its goals in health care department.

• As per the report, India’s health care index has seen an increase of 14.1 in last 25 years, going up from 30.7 in 1990 to 44.8 in 2015, but the numbers are much lesser than Sri Lanka (72.8), Bangladesh (51.7), Bhutan (52.7) and Nepal (50.8). The report shows that India has performed the worst in preventing deaths by Neonatal disorders, with an index rate of 14.

In dealing with rheumatic heart diseases, India has scored an index of 25; in tuberculosis, an index of 26, and in chronic kidney diseases, an index of 20. Diabetes (38), Appendicitis (38) and Peptic ulcer disease (39) are other major area of concerns for India’s health department. Pakistan and Afghanistan remain the only SAARC nations to have a lower ranking than India, with a healthcare index of 43.1 and 32.5 respectively, as per the report.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...tan-nepal-in-healthcare-index-report-4663079/

 

[sbmc27]

There is another thread on the same topic and same ranking of disease burden published in Lancet.
@The Eagle , would you merge those threads please.
Thanks.

India ranks below Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, in healthcare index: Report

India's health care index has gone up in last 25 years from 30.7 to 44.8 but numbers are much lesser than Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan and Nepal.
By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Published:May 19, 2017 9:21 am

The results have revealed that India, in spite of socio-economic growth in the given time-period, has not managed to achieve its goals in health care department. (Representational image)

A report published on Thursday by Global Burden of Disease in The Lancet has revealed that India has recorded a poor health care index than several neighbouring Asian nations, including Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and China in last 25 years. The data, in the report, takes a look at 195 countries, between the years 1990-2015, and assesses the measuring mortality rates from 32 diseases which should not be fatal in presence of effective medical care. The results have revealed that India, in spite of socio-economic growth in the given time-period, has not managed to achieve its goals in health care department.

• As per the report, India’s health care index has seen an increase of 14.1 in last 25 years, going up from 30.7 in 1990 to 44.8 in 2015, but the numbers are much lesser than Sri Lanka (72.8), Bangladesh (51.7), Bhutan (52.7) and Nepal (50.8). The report shows that India has performed the worst in preventing deaths by Neonatal disorders, with an index rate of 14.

In dealing with rheumatic heart diseases, India has scored an index of 25; in tuberculosis, an index of 26, and in chronic kidney diseases, an index of 20. Diabetes (38), Appendicitis (38) and Peptic ulcer disease (39) are other major area of concerns for India’s health department. Pakistan and Afghanistan remain the only SAARC nations to have a lower ranking than India, with a healthcare index of 43.1 and 32.5 respectively, as per the report.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...tan-nepal-in-healthcare-index-report-4663079/

 

[NirmalKrish]

India ranks below Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, in healthcare index: Report

India's health care index has gone up in last 25 years from 30.7 to 44.8 but numbers are much lesser than Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan and Nepal.
By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Published:May 19, 2017 9:21 am

The results have revealed that India, in spite of socio-economic growth in the given time-period, has not managed to achieve its goals in health care department. (Representational image)

A report published on Thursday by Global Burden of Disease in The Lancet has revealed that India has recorded a poor health care index than several neighbouring Asian nations, including Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and China in last 25 years. The data, in the report, takes a look at 195 countries, between the years 1990-2015, and assesses the measuring mortality rates from 32 diseases which should not be fatal in presence of effective medical care. The results have revealed that India, in spite of socio-economic growth in the given time-period, has not managed to achieve its goals in health care department.

• As per the report, India’s health care index has seen an increase of 14.1 in last 25 years, going up from 30.7 in 1990 to 44.8 in 2015, but the numbers are much lesser than Sri Lanka (72.8), Bangladesh (51.7), Bhutan (52.7) and Nepal (50.8). The report shows that India has performed the worst in preventing deaths by Neonatal disorders, with an index rate of 14.

In dealing with rheumatic heart diseases, India has scored an index of 25; in tuberculosis, an index of 26, and in chronic kidney diseases, an index of 20. Diabetes (38), Appendicitis (38) and Peptic ulcer disease (39) are other major area of concerns for India’s health department. Pakistan and Afghanistan remain the only SAARC nations to have a lower ranking than India, with a healthcare index of 43.1 and 32.5 respectively, as per the report.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...tan-nepal-in-healthcare-index-report-4663079/

Great, so please refrain your citizens from getting treatment in India by Indian doctors! while your at it, read up on Statistics & sample size's, with respect to population discrepancies. The demographics of All these nations put together does not even total half of that of India's population.

Re-tarted article at best.

 

[Spring Onion]

Great, so please refrain your citizens from getting treatment in India by Indian doctors! while your at it, read up on Statistics & sample size's, with respect to population discrepancies. The demographics of All these nations put together doe not even = half of that of India's population.

Re-tarted article at best.

the news has added nothing by itself. the data Ius based on the survey so article is not retarded

 

[sbmc27]

The article published in Lancet, not in a BD media .
The OP has just picked it up and opened a thread.
Anyway , do you know about 'Lancet' and how an article published in Lancet?

Great, so please refrain your citizens from getting treatment in India by Indian doctors! while your at it, read up on Statistics & sample size's, with respect to population discrepancies. The demographics of All these nations put together does not even total half of that of India's population.

Re-tarted article at best.

 

[footmarks]

Doctors, lawyers and police are the most corrupt professions in India. They make money out of people's misery. Add to that, severe shortage of doctors, fake doctors far outnumbering real ones, traditional reliance on hakims, fakirs and tantriks for treatment, and exorbitantly high prices of healthcare in private hospitals. No wonder India is lagging behind in this metric.