India prepared to face the Chinese threat : Air Force chief

[LiberalAtheist]

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You were talking about achievement of 90% to 70%..if not about technology then what? you guys have ask Russia for TOT for alot of core technologies but Russia didn't give you guys a sh1ts for being afraid of creating another competitor. In fact you dare not to explicitely name Russia..so I did for you and don't bush1t that you guys achieve a self sufficent with me that aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, stealth destroyers and frigates, corvettes, most of them still need replacement parts for other countries.

So before saying anything about Pakistan...try to look at the mirror on what really you have achieved? None of ship you mentioned have achieved 100% Indian contents...the best answer you give is that you try your best while criticize Pakistan for the dependance of China.

we ask for TOT from every country on things we want it on otherwise they don't get the contract, like in MMRCA tender the 30% indigenous military equipment is indigenous not produced through TOT idiot really replacements from other countries and you got proof for that or just spraying more crap on here? get a diaper for your mouth because a lot of sht is coming out of it

i can say the same for you guys and Russia as well lets see China make a fighter jet that is not based on a Israeli or Russian design? the Shardul Class ships have all Indian content same with the Brahmaputra frigates except weaponry everything is indigenous like the EW suite the sonars etc you just can't handle the fact that we are making strides in technology BY OURSELVES

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

we ask for TOT from every country on things we want it on otherwise they don't get the contract, like in MMRCA tender the 30% indigenous military equipment is indigenous not produced through TOT idiot really replacements from other countries and you got proof for that or just spraying more crap on here? get a diaper for your mouth because a lot of sht is coming out of it

i can say the same for you guys and Russia as well lets see China make a fighter jet that is not based on a Israeli or Russian design? the Shardul Class ships have all Indian content same with the Brahmaputra frigates except weaponry everything is indigenous like the EW suite the sonars etc you just can't handle the fact that we are making strides in technology BY OURSELVES

30% of Indigenious? and 70% still foreign content LOL..OK what India can contribute Indigeniously?..same questions that Russians asked about PAK-FA...what India can contribute beside dumping moneys on the table??. ..and Dont tell me that the weaponry don't need replacement parts..sure diaper on my mouth?..no wonder you indians are so genius. Sure you guys are making strides in technology BY OURSELVES but altimately still dependant of foreign...while look down pakistan.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

30% of Indigenious? and 70% still foreign content LOL..OK what India can contribute Indigeniously?..same questions that Russians asked about PAK-FA...what India can contribute beside dumping moneys on the table??. ..and Dont tell me that the weaponry don't need replacement parts..sure diaper on my mouth?..no wonder you indians are so genius. Sure you guys are making strides in technology BY OURSELVES but altimately still dependant of foreign...while look down pakistan.

our own indigenous missiles like ABM's SAM's Cruise missiles like Nirbhay HSTDV LRCM, anti tank missiles like Nag and CLGM indigenous tanks like Arjun indigenous firearms like the entire INSAS series and the Vidhwansak rifles, etc many many many more things i could name them all but i am not going to waste my time

PAK-FA is completely separate we are using Russia's PAK-FA design just making it 2 seater version once again your ignorantly go on i seriously wonder if you are mentally challenged

Lol we are still starting out you expect us to start from scratch and know everything off the spot? only now are Indian private companies being involved in defense TATA advanced systems, Defense land systems India etc are some of the new kids of the block and there will be more rest assured

those guys cannot even manufacture a bike chain by themselves there missiles are copied off from your designs and north koreans so yeah i think i have a good reason to consider us better

 

[faithfulguy]

our own indigenous missiles like ABM's SAM's Cruise missiles like Nirbhay HSTDV LRCM, anti tank missiles like Nag and CLGM indigenous tanks like Arjun indigenous firearms like the entire INSAS series and the Vidhwansak rifles, etc many many many more things i could name them all but i am not going to waste my time

PAK-FA is completely separate we are using Russia's PAK-FA design just making it 2 seater version once again your ignorantly go on i seriously wonder if you are mentally challenged

Lol we are still starting out you expect us to start from scratch and know everything off the spot? only now are Indian private companies being involved in defense TATA advanced systems, Defense land systems India etc are some of the new kids of the block and there will be more rest assured

those guys cannot even manufacture a bike chain by themselves there missiles are copied off from your designs and north koreans so yeah i think i have a good reason to consider us better

how do you know that Pakistan cannot manufacture a bike chain? I do not know of a bike that is assembled in India. Forget about bike chains manufactured in India. I believe that when it comes to manufacturing, India is in the same level as Pakistan. Maybe India is a little better. But Pakistan is a small country ravaged by violence and religious extremism. How come India is only a little "better" than Pakistan is beyond me as India is the self claimed largest "democracy". As many here adviced, Indians should not look at themselves as much better than others such as Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka as India is backward and poor as these countries. Get off the high horses.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

how do you know that Pakistan cannot manufacture a bike chain? I do not know of a bike that is assembled in India. Forget about bike chains manufactured in India. I believe that when it comes to manufacturing, India is in the same level as Pakistan. Maybe India is a little better. But Pakistan is a small country ravaged by violence and religious extremism. How come India is only a little "better" than Pakistan is beyond me as India is the self claimed largest "democracy". As many here adviced, Indians should not look at themselves as much better than others such as Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka as India is backward and poor as these countries. Get off the high horses.

50 years ago Pakistan was way ahead of India there economy was growing at a fast pace compared to ours then we enacted reforms now we are the worlds 2nd fastest growing economy we can manufacture our own things and please we can make cars ships and other things that other countries have to import while we are self sufficient in many sectors defense self sufficiency is growing

 

[faithfulguy]

50 years ago Pakistan was way ahead of India there economy was growing at a fast pace compared to ours then we enacted reforms now we are the worlds 2nd fastest growing economy we can manufacture our own things and please we can make cars ships and other things that other countries have to import while we are self sufficient in many sectors defense self sufficiency is growing

many countries can manufacture cars. Even Taiwan can manufacture cars back in the 70s when I was living there. As for India being the 2nd fastest growing economy, the per capita does not change so much. What is the per capita income of India vs that of Pakistan? Can you enlighten me on this fact.

 

[DARKY]

30% of Indigenious? and 70% still foreign content LOL..OK what India can contribute Indigeniously?..same questions that Russians asked about PAK-FA...what India can contribute beside dumping moneys on the table??. ..and Dont tell me that the weaponry don't need replacement parts..sure diaper on my mouth?..no wonder you indians are so genius. Sure you guys are making strides in technology BY OURSELVES but altimately still dependant of foreign...while look down pakistan.

The mission computer, ECM & EW suite, RWR, FBW control codes, Mission software, composite structure etc.. etc... I think you don't realize yet that PAK FA is just the beginning of a far better FG FA project..... Still mention the Russian who said India is contributing to PAK FA only by money..... if you can't then better shut your mouth with that same diaper.

MMRCA would be a foreign project how could that be a even 50% indigenous however I would inform you that other than 30% Indian parts the rest 70% would be manufactured 100% in India with full ToT...... baring a couple of squadrons perhaps which would come down in knockdown and semi knock down kits......

At least Pakistan is generous enough to admit that they are buying weaponry from other States and making them under licence.... still better than STEALING 100% and making a crappy RE copy of some foreign/Russian weaponry and declaring it as indigenous development SUCH A SHAME...... and SUCH A PITY

 

[DARKY]

how do you know that Pakistan cannot manufacture a bike chain? I do not know of a bike that is assembled in India.

Does it Matter ??

Forget about bike chains manufactured in India.

At least our Bikes which you don't know are far better than their copies which your country makes and sells in Pakistan.

I believe that when it comes to manufacturing, India is in the same level as Pakistan.

Tell that when Pakistan become the 2nd largest steel manufacturer in the world and own the largest steel companies in the world.

Maybe India is a little better. But Pakistan is a small country ravaged by violence and religious extremism. How come India is only a little "better" than Pakistan is beyond me as India is the self claimed largest "democracy". As many here adviced, Indians should not look at themselves as much better than others such as Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka as India is backward and poor as these countries. Get off the high horses.

Yes we are backward and poor as these countries since you still live in the data presented by some pathetic reporter BBC in 2001.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

many countries can manufacture cars. Even Taiwan can manufacture cars back in the 70s when I was living there. As for India being the 2nd fastest growing economy, the per capita does not change so much. What is the per capita income of India vs that of Pakistan? Can you enlighten me on this fact.

we have many more poor people in our country compared to Pakistan yet the per capita income for us is higher compared to them and really? thats cool and China has the 2nd largest economy but compare the per capita to the USA's

 

[Executioner]

how do you know that Pakistan cannot manufacture a bike chain? I do not know of a bike that is assembled in India. Forget about bike chains manufactured in India. I believe that when it comes to manufacturing, India is in the same level as Pakistan. Maybe India is a little better. But Pakistan is a small country ravaged by violence and religious extremism. How come India is only a little "better" than Pakistan is beyond me as India is the self claimed largest "democracy". As many here adviced, Indians should not look at themselves as much better than others such as Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka as India is backward and poor as these countries. Get off the high horses.

lolz!!! You need to sell your iPod and Windows 7 PC put some more money and buy a ticket to India.
Yes there is poverty but not even like what Slumdog Millionaire has shown I don't know why you people always show the hardcore poverty striken areas. Why don't they show the Microsoft's office (the only 2nd official headquarters in the world), Cisco, IBM, Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, GE, Nordea, BGI, State Street, Morgan Stanley, Golman Sachs etc etc etc.

The most expensive cars in the world are bought like peanuts in India but he fails to realize that...yes, these are bought by Indian (middle class people) by paying 101% import duty implicated by the Indian government...Can you imagine? if someone in US or europe buys a BMW 5 series beamer, the same car would cost double in India and yet, India has more BMW cars compared to the united states...Check the BMW-India sales for proof.


The Intel India team designed Intel's first 6-core x86 microprocessor from Bangalore - the Intel Xeon 7400 series processor -- formerly codenamed Dunnington.

We have AMD a silicon design and platform R&D facility in Bangalore, India. The center will accomodate the engineers was working on the Shanghai processor, AMD's first 45 nm design. The same people were responsible for delivering key intellectual property (IP) for the recently introduced Quad-Core Opteron processor, codenamed Barcelona, Indian government was slow to articulate its policies for the semiconductor industry in other hand you have advantage that why Intel decided to build its first 300 mm (12 inch) wafer fabrication facility (Fab 68) in China.

There is no doubt you have good infrastructure and gov policy. But still we have plenty thing to compare. However and whatever you compare with Pakistan, please compare which is comparable.

 

[sancho]

They are creating mistrust between China and India, disturbing the stability in South Asia and expecting frictions between China, Pakistan and India.

That's too simplistic, the west (especially the US) of course has an interest to get India as an opponent for China in military terms, but it's not like their claims comes out of nothing! China is constantly provoking a reaction from India, be it the military build up in Tibet, the fundings and defence support of Pakistan, the spy attempts in the Bay of Bengal, the ports in neighboring countries...one must be blind to ignore these steps and just think this couldn't turn out bad, even without the experience of 1962!
You are doing your steps to keep us busy all around our country, because you realised that we are getting to a level now, where we can be a threat and that's why increased build up of force alongside your western borders is necessary for your own defence. But it shouldn't be surprising that we take these steps seriously and react on them in a similar way isn't it?

So the mistrust is not created by them, it is already there and mainly created by China, while the US just realised, that the cold war is over and it is not in their interest anymore to see India as a close ally of Russia anymore, but to get India as a possible ally to counter China!
As long as we remain independent from them, we can only benefit from a closer relation, be it in economic, political, or defence relations and that obviously bothers China, because the pace of our growth is boosted now with Russian and western arms and with Russian and western political support.

Actually, China should have done what the US does now, by understanding that the times changed and not supporting only Pakistan, or see us as an opponent and focus on closer relations to India! It would have been way better for China to get India as a friend/alley next to Russia (especially through the BRICS), to have a stronger base against the western/NATO countries.
We do even have common interests on several gloabal issues and would have been in a way better situation to compete, or negotiate with them, when these 3 major Asian powers would have joined. But you missed the chance and apart from some economic relations, the focus is still on increasing the border issues with us and using Pakistan as a 2nd frontline, which obviously doesn't help.

 

[rockstarIN]

That's too simplistic, the west (especially the US) of course has an interest to get India as an opponent for China in military terms, but it's not like their claims comes out of nothing! China is constantly provoking a reaction from India, be it the military build up in Tibet, the fundings and defence support of Pakistan, the spy attempts in the Bay of Bengal, the ports in neighboring countries...one must be blind to ignore these steps and just think this couldn't turn out bad, even without the experience of 1962!
You are doing your steps to keep us busy all around our country, because you realised that we are getting to a level now, where we can be a threat and that's why increased build up of force alongside your western borders is necessary for your own defence. But it shouldn't be surprising that we take these steps seriously and react on them in a similar way isn't it?

So the mistrust is not created by them, it is already there and mainly created by China, while the US just realised, that the cold war is over and it is not in their interest anymore to see India as a close ally of Russia anymore, but to get India as a possible ally to counter China!
As long as we remain independent from them, we can only benefit from a closer relation, be it in economic, political, or defence relations and that obviously bothers China, because the pace of our growth is boosted now with Russian and western arms and with Russian and western political support.

Actually, China should have done what the US does now, by understanding that the times changed and not supporting only Pakistan, or see us as an opponent and focus on closer relations to India! It would have been way better for China to get India as a friend/alley next to Russia (especially through the BRICS), to have a stronger base against the western/NATO countries.We do even have common interests on several gloabal issues and would have been in a way better situation to compete, or negotiate with them, when these 3 major Asian powers would have joined. But you missed the chance and apart from some economic relations, the focus is still on increasing the border issues with us and using Pakistan as a 2nd frontline, which obviously doesn't help.

Good post, I mentioned the same point once and the Chinese never understood this..

 

[IND151]

What are you implying? That there is no way to take out an MKI? If a plane is locked during combat, then it will probrably go down. Again, i think your missing the point. Im just stating that the MKI is not invincible to chinese weapons, but im getting the impression that you think they are

friend MKIs are not invincible i agree.

but they offer many advantages.

off coarse you have MKKs but we will have EFT or rafale soon in north east.

plus we dominate the heights.

so we too have our cards.

and also don't forget those 3,000 akash missiles we have.

 

[perplexed]

Good post, I mentioned the same point once and the Chinese never understood this..

They think they are the only one capable of taking on NATO or it is their wet dream to rise to such a stature that they single handedly handle whole NATO. While that aim may seem to be more attractive but it is more of an idealist kind of perception rather than practical.
Even a mighty country country like US needed allies all over the world to keep a watch on its cold war opponents. I dont know why the chinese think they are special. While US had invaluable geographic advantage of being separated from any nuclear power by oceans thereby enabling them to detect a hostile launch much before it reaches their land but China on the other hand is surrounded by nuclear powers. They would have the time to react against our hypersonic missiles. I don't know why they dont want to be friends with us.

 

[IND151]

LOL WTF coming from you????/ dude you guys take old soviet and Russian technology and reverse engineer i could list so much crap that you guys copied or reverse engineered

and the things i mentioned above have nothing to do with Russia how about you read the post before ignorantly posting like a Rtard

Indigenous aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, stealth destroyers and frigates, corvettes etc we are self sufficient in warship building however we could get better at other things but that soon will be done

at least we are trying to break free from importing arms by the next decade 50% of our military equipment will be indigenous and after that it will be even more to the point where the Indian arms industry is self sufficient and capable to deliver to the armed forces, we have private companies like TATA, Mahindra, L&T in the picture something we did not have 30 years ago it will take time but we will get there

thats correct.

L&T will be partner in building scorpion submarines if i am not wrong.

TATA builds army vehicles like trucks and armed vehicles.

however first this companies will partner GOVT or foreign companies for building weapons.

only after 2 decades our private companies can build jets and tanks on their own.