India pledges $100 million in fresh aid to Afghanistan

[pakistani342]

Like what? CIA and ISI create Taliban who send the prospering Afghan society back to medieval era?


Name one portion of our assistance money gone into getting them more weapons and creating more bloodshed.

You seriously believe this? I smell superiority complex!

However a more un-redacted version of Afghan history;

1. The Afghans have interfered in Pakistan since the 50s

2. Sardar Mohammed Daoud Khan supported Separatists in Pakistan (predominantly the section of the Pashtun Population) in the early 1960s (almost two decades before Pakistan's support of Hekmetyar, Massod got any steam)

3. On the same note: Sardar Mohammed Daoud Khan sent the Afghan Army to *invade* Pakistani Territory in 1962 again almost twenty years before Pakistani interference in Afghanistan gathered steam. These invading forces were routed by Pakistani forces

4. Despite this Pakistan even in the early 1970s under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto tried very hard to build friendly ties with Afghanistan in the early 1970s, efforts which the Afghan Government spurned (in the end Daoud Khan reciprocated but he was ousted in a coup)

5. It was after these events that the genesis of the "forward Afghanistan policy" was adopted by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in the mid 1970s - in 1974/75 Pakistan retaliated in kind

6. From the 1950 through the 1970s Afghanistan experienced several internal lacerations such as:
a. The ouster of Zahir Shah
b. The murder of Serdar Mohammad Daud (along with about 16 other members of his family)
c. The murder of Nur Muhammad Taraki
d. The murder of Hafizullah Amin
e. The Saur revolution

7. It was Afghanistan who drew first blood - Pakistani responded in kind
One can go on but the rest is history. Afghans have burnt their own house down and think Pakistan is at the root of their miseries.

Afghanistan was a strong, stable and prosperous country until US and Pakistan meddled and destroyed it.

Seriously do you read history - you say this with such conviction that I feel like scrambling and digging out my notes ?!!

 

[karan.1970]

No, I think it is pretty clear that India cannot effectively help Afghanistan if Pakistan perceives that help as a threat.

I suspect what may win out as a strategic choice is that India will use Afghanistan to keep Pakistan tied down (to use Jaswant Sing's euphemism).

Afghanistan, being, by far the weakest state will suffer the most of this tussle.

You are going with an assumption that India is taking something more than good relations and business opportunities from Afghanistan.

What Pakistan does with its perceptions is between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Unlike Pakistan, we do not attempt to direct a sovereign country's relationship with another country

 

[notsuperstitious]

The funds would be spent on 15 education projects, 16 health projects, 21 rural development projects, 6 agricultural projects and 2 labor and social affairs projects.

15 + 16 + 21 +2 = 54 new Indian consulates for Pakistan to do propaganda over to justify their imperialistic designs on Afghanistan.

Its funny some gentleman asked how Taliban takeover of Afghanistan affects us. Its just more plausible deniability and more non state actors for Pakistan. Yes, that's a good thing for everyone. I mean just keep Osama in Afghanistan, why in abbotabad eh?

 

[karan.1970]

Trust me, you won't be saying that when your country ends up having to take care of them after foreign forces leave.



I'm confused, how would using Afghan soil affect India in anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I probably am, but isn't Afghanistan on the other side of Pakistan and has no border with India?

During Taliban reign in Afghanistan, the afghan lands near the areas of Pak Occupied Kashmir were used extensively as staging grounds for training anti India terrorists who were then infiltrated into J&K. The logic was to provide plausible deniability to Pakistan ...

 

[Tshering22]

However a more un-redacted version of Afghan history;

1. The Afghans have interfered in Pakistan since the 50s2. Sardar Mohammed Daoud Khan supported Separatists in Pakistan (predominantly the section of the Pashtun Population) in the early 1960s (almost two decades before Pakistan's support of Hekmetyar, Massod got any steam)

3. On the same note: Sardar Mohammed Daoud Khan sent the Afghan Army to *invade* Pakistani Territory in 1962 again almost twenty years before Pakistani interference in Afghanistan gathered steam. These invading forces were routed by Pakistani forces

4. Despite this Pakistan even in the early 1970s under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto tried very hard to build friendly ties with Afghanistan in the early 1970s, efforts which the Afghan Government spurned (in the end Daoud Khan reciprocated but he was ousted in a coup)

5. It was after these events that the genesis of the "forward Afghanistan policy" was adopted by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in the mid 1970s - in 1974/75 Pakistan retaliated in kind

6. From the 1950 through the 1970s Afghanistan experienced several internal lacerations such as:
a. The ouster of Zahir Shah
b. The murder of Serdar Mohammad Daud (along with about 16 other members of his family)
c. The murder of Nur Muhammad Taraki
d. The murder of Hafizullah Amin
e. The Saur revolution

7. It was Afghanistan who drew first blood - Pakistani responded in kind
One can go on but the rest is history. Afghans have burnt their own house down and think Pakistan is at the root of their miseries.



Seriously do you read history - you say this with such conviction that I feel like scrambling and digging out my notes ?!!

What about now?

What about your current support of Taliban?

What about the war raging since 2001-02?

Are the Afghans still invading you?

Who do you blame for Taliban attacks inside your country, the drone wars taking out targets every other day in your country and the rise of militancy that has spilt as result of your continued promotion of Talib ideology and attempting to use that as a negotiation point for a strategic advantage in the region against a dismantled Afghanistan and even against us?


And most important of all:

Blowing up Afghan civilians like two days ago to attempt to kill a diplomat of India who is not even a combatant?


What your actions going to do to Afghanistan?

Do you think that they will be scared off by such tactics by Taliban?

On the contrary they will harden up further and hate you more.

There was always a chance when you had all the opportunity to rebuilt what you 'retaliated' and start afresh.

But your generals were keen on integrating Afghanistan with your territory.

 

[Major Sam]

What about now?

What about your current support of Taliban?

What about the war raging since 2001-02?

Are the Afghans still invading you?

Who do you blame for Taliban attacks inside your country, the drone wars taking out targets every other day in your country and the rise of militancy that has spilt as result of your continued promotion of Talib ideology and attempting to use that as a negotiation point for a strategic advantage in the region against a dismantled Afghanistan and even against us?


And most important of all:

Blowing up Afghan civilians like two days ago to attempt to kill a diplomat of India who is not even a combatant?


What your actions going to do to Afghanistan?

Do you think that they will be scared off by such tactics by Taliban?

On the contrary they will harden up further and hate you more.

There was always a chance when you had all the opportunity to rebuilt what you 'retaliated' and start afresh.

But your generals were keen on integrating Afghanistan with your territory.

Didn't india recently start supporting these Taliban ?

 

[naveen mishra]

Didn't india recently start supporting these Taliban ?

presently i guess Indian is not supporting any one...................now time has come they must start thinking supporting balochi ........as a part of kootniti

 

[Tshering22]

Trust me, you won't be saying that when your country ends up having to take care of them after foreign forces leave.

But we have already stated out action post-2014: NO MILITARY BOOTS ON FOREIGN SOIL.

That is something we will maintain as Afghan politics is for them and has nothing to do with us.

It is their decision, and therefore their country to see what is best for them.

Whatever activities we do there, are from official consent of the Afghan national government; it is not uni-lateral.

A bunch rabies-ridden bunch of savages who massacre people around for not having beards or women walking around, have no right to tell us what to do and what not to do as long as Afghan people support us.

Other than these loonies, no one and I mean no one in Afghanistan has a problem with India helping them.

If you really think you're going to have the golden goose in the form of control over Afghanistan, you are doing the same mistake Zia thought he could pull in the 90s.

Don't repeat it for your own good. This time there will be no second chance if you studied this whole WOT carefully.

Insurgents will spill into Pakistan in ******** and will really pose a threat to your country which is barely able to manage existential threats.

So please don't try to be a Rambo this time.

I'm confused, how would using Afghan soil affect India in anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I probably am, but isn't Afghanistan on the other side of Pakistan and has no border with India?

Since you asked us business let me point them out:

1- A confidence building measure such as helping Afghans right now would make them stand up on their feet.

2- Better education facilities and training would enable them to open up employment sectors for their country which would fuel Afghan economy and therefore restart the whole country all over again.

3- Afghanistan right now needs methods of generating money rather than aid money that will finish off soon. Power, infrastructure, education, medicine and roads are something that will fuel just that.

4- Once the development process is on track with lesser and lesser terror attacks in Afghanistan, this would mean that Afghans are ready to trade with the outside world and in serious levels.

5- Following the above, Afghanistan can export tonnes of its raw materials which would as a result start opening up heavy manufacturing sector in India, similar to what China did 1 decade ago. We have manufacturing but it is not sufficient to project power.

6- This will lay the foundation of meaningful strategic trade relationship between the two countries that would further result in closer ties in other sector.

7- the better our ties and trade gets, the fast their economy and indirectly our economy improves and the stronger Afghan voice gets in the world forums and summits held globally.

8- In the end, we get excellent trade and a confident ally in the region.

 

[navtrek]

I wonder if Pakistan was say Bhutan? How much would India have invested in Afghanistan?

I'm pretty sure there would have been a few zeros missing from the investment.
And, there is nothing wrong with that. India has a her own people to look after.

What is fascinating is that Afghans are totally oblivious to this and are have learnt nothing from their recent history.

We are investing because we dont want it to become a training ground for militants.

 

[pakistani342]

What about now?

What about your current support of Taliban?

What about the war raging since 2001-02?

Are the Afghans still invading you?

Who do you blame for Taliban attacks inside your country, the drone wars taking out targets every other day in your country and the rise of militancy that has spilt as result of your continued promotion of Talib ideology and attempting to use that as a negotiation point for a strategic advantage in the region against a dismantled Afghanistan and even against us?


And most important of all:

Blowing up Afghan civilians like two days ago to attempt to kill a diplomat of India who is not even a combatant?


What your actions going to do to Afghanistan?

Do you think that they will be scared off by such tactics by Taliban?

On the contrary they will harden up further and hate you more.

There was always a chance when you had all the opportunity to rebuilt what you 'retaliated' and start afresh.

But your generals were keen on integrating Afghanistan with your territory.

My dear, answer the question - do you refute the version of facts I have presented?

 

[Major Sam]

presently i guess Indian is not supporting any one...................now time has come they must start thinking supporting balochi ........as a part of kootniti

India Already accepted Talibans, well sure try to support Baloch Rebels you are already doing it. it will give us chance to support Moist and kashmir movements more openly.

 

[Tshering22]

Didn't india recently start supporting these Taliban ?

Are you crazy!?

Taliban considers us as their number 2 enemies after Amrikans.

Your former interior minister himself admitted that we have nothing to do with Taliban.

These lunatics were supporting the terrorists that hijacked our aircraft and put the lives of 175 Indians at danger, killing an innocent newly wed man.

What makes you think we will support these Neanderthals?

Taliban is your darling, you trained it, nurtured it and took care of it after Afghan war was over, thinking that now you could use it against us in our country.

Too bad, they turned back and bit the hand that fed them.

India Already accepted Talibans, well sure try to support Baloch Rebels you are already doing it. it will give us chance to support Moist and kashmir movements more openly.

You forget that US is not babysitting your economy any more unlike the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Neither does China hand out freebies like westerners.

You want to go bankrupt trying separatism, you're welcome.

 

[pakistani342]

You are going with an assumption that India is taking something more than good relations and business opportunities from Afghanistan.

Seriously ?

What Pakistan does with its perceptions is between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Unlike Pakistan, we do not attempt to direct a sovereign country's relationship with another country

Seriously ?

I guess there can be no meeting of the minds then.

My assumption would be that Indians are slightly more or slightly less charitable/Machiavellian/Realist than Pakistanis.

But we have already stated out action post-2014: NO MILITARY BOOTS ON FOREIGN SOIL.

That is something we will maintain as Afghan politics is for them and has nothing to do with us.

It is their decision, and therefore their country to see what is best for them.

Whatever activities we do there, are from official consent of the Afghan national government; it is not uni-lateral.

A bunch rabies-ridden bunch of savages who massacre people around for not having beards or women walking around, have no right to tell us what to do and what not to do as long as Afghan people support us.

Other than these loonies, no one and I mean no one in Afghanistan has a problem with India helping them.

If you really think you're going to have the golden goose in the form of control over Afghanistan, you are doing the same mistake Zia thought he could pull in the 90s.

Don't repeat it for your own good. This time there will be no second chance if you studied this whole WOT carefully.

Insurgents will spill into Pakistan in ******** and will really pose a threat to your country which is barely able to manage existential threats.

So please don't try to be a Rambo this time.



Since you asked us business let me point them out:

1- A confidence building measure such as helping Afghans right now would make them stand up on their feet.

2- Better education facilities and training would enable them to open up employment sectors for their country which would fuel Afghan economy and therefore restart the whole country all over again.

3- Afghanistan right now needs methods of generating money rather than aid money that will finish off soon. Power, infrastructure, education, medicine and roads are something that will fuel just that.

4- Once the development process is on track with lesser and lesser terror attacks in Afghanistan, this would mean that Afghans are ready to trade with the outside world and in serious levels.

5- Following the above, Afghanistan can export tonnes of its raw materials which would as a result start opening up heavy manufacturing sector in India, similar to what China did 1 decade ago. We have manufacturing but it is not sufficient to project power.

6- This will lay the foundation of meaningful strategic trade relationship between the two countries that would further result in closer ties in other sector.

7- the better our ties and trade gets, the fast their economy and indirectly our economy improves and the stronger Afghan voice gets in the world forums and summits held globally.

8- In the end, we get excellent trade and a confident ally in the region.

You know it curious that a country that has been a democracy much longer than Pakistan has such a narrow range of opinions. It is fascinating how you are able to echo lock stock and barrel the official government line.

 

[naveen mishra]

India Already accepted Talibans, well sure try to support Baloch Rebels you are already doing it. it will give us chance to support Moist and kashmir movements more openly.

dear you are already doing it openly..........but what about if will start supporting gilgit baltistan freedom moment to get free from Pakistan occupied Kashmir and to merge in azad Kashmir.........

but i am sure.......Indian is not involve in baloch issue

 

[Major Sam]

Are you crazy!?

Taliban considers us as their number 2 enemies after Amrikans.

Your former interior minister himself admitted that we have nothing to do with Taliban.

These lunatics were supporting the terrorists that hijacked our aircraft and put the lives of 175 Indians at danger, killing an innocent newly wed man.

What makes you think we will support these Neanderthals?

Taliban is your darling, you trained it, nurtured it and took care of it after Afghan war was over, thinking that now you could use it against us in our country.

Too bad, they turned back and bit the hand that fed them.



You forget that US is not babysitting your economy any more unlike the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Neither does China hand out freebies like westerners.

You want to go bankrupt trying separatism, you're welcome.

Aww really you guys consider Taliban as your enemy?