India plays with fire spicing up G7 expansion

[nahtanbob]

G7 expansion cannot be unilateral. All countries must approve it. It is unlikely India will be added. But the host country can invite specific countries as guests. Look for US, France and Japan to routinely invite India. Germany, UK, Canada and Italy might be less likely to invite India

 

[Smoke]

Actually, the ball is in China's court. They need to sort out the border issues and withdraw military support to Pakistan and in return India would be mindful to their strategic interests. If not Modi is not backing out from confrontation and get aligned with who ever upholds our interests.

We will go our separate ways strategically underming each other as China has already been doing with Kashmir, UNSC reforms,NSG etc. I think China better off not making enemy out of India too.

Lol

Here we go again, India isn't as badass as you think it is.

The Chinese are an efficient and dedicated people that have made excellent use of every dollar they have. India hasn't, with the budget they (India) have, they have eaten most of it via corruption, you neither have the will or the drive to be as successful as the Chinese in any field. You could have been so much more and last year was a rude awakening for you.

 

[Jackdaws]

India should invite Taiwan to open an embassy in New Delhi and call the President of Taiwan as chief guest in next republic Day.

And call him President of China.

 

[nahtanbob]

The G7 summit
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/667404-the-g7-summit

After a few weeks of uncertainty about the 46th annual summit of the G7 countries, US President Donald Trump has finally postponed this year’s meeting. The G7 (or Group of Seven) is a club of the world's seven largest so-called advanced economies namely Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States – all claiming to be upholders of democracy, freedom, human rights and rule of law. How far they actually abide by these principles is a moot question. Interestingly, they represent just 10 percent of the world population but 40 percent of the global GDP, making them a highly influential group on the international stage. More than the postponement of the summit, the observations made by Trump are inviting debate and discussion in international circles. President Trump feels that the group does not ‘properly represent what’s going on in the world’.

He has termed the G7 an ‘outdated group of countries’ which needs enlargement by inviting Australia, India, Russia and South Korea. Now the meeting is likely to be held in September instead of late June. Of the four countries suggested by Trump, it is worth recalling that Russia was incorporated in the group in 1997 making it the G8, which lasted till 2014 when Russia was suspended indefinitely as a punishment for annexing Crimea from Ukraine. For the past five years, once again the group has been functioning as the G7. This year’s G7 summit has gained more importance in the presence of Covid-19 that has claimed thousands of lives and millions of affected people in most of the G7 countries. Though President Trump’s remarks about the composition of the G7 may have some merit in it, the countries he is planning to invite leave much to be desired. Australia is not even among the top 15 countries in terms of GDP, nor is it among the top 50 countries populations-wise.

The exclusion of China is puzzling and the inclusion of India is even more surprising. If President Trump doesn’t want to invite China for its human rights record, India has shown all disregard for democratic norms and human rights, and violated both national and international laws. But rather than entering into this controversy, perhaps it would be better to use the G20 as a better forum to discuss challenges to the world economy, especially in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic. Be it G-7 or G20, the point is how the world powers are responding to the present crisis and how the future will unfold before us. President Trump’s questionable decisions both domestically and on the foreign policy front do not portend well for the world and for America itself. Other countries such as China, India, Germany, Japan and Russia, should take the lead now and support the WHO in the fight against Covid-19.

 

[SrNair]

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1190654.shtml

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi responded positively to US President Donald Trump's proposal of expanding G7 into a G11 or G12 that includes India.

In a phone conversation on Tuesday, Modi commended Trump for his creative and far-sighted approach, acknowledging the fact that such an expanded forum would be in keeping with the emerging realities of the post-COVID-19 world, according to a statement by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs.

The idea of G7 expansion carries geopolitical calculations with an obvious attempt to contain China. The US is keen on roping India in not only because the latter has become the fifth-largest economy in the world, but also because India is considered an important pillar for the US' Indo-Pacific Strategy. The US has long sought to strengthen India's role as a counterbalance to China in the Indo-Pacific region.

India's positive response to Trump's plan is not surprising. With its big power ambition, India has long desired to participate in world's leading international clubs. With a fresh border spat brewing between China and India in recent days, India also hopes to send a signal to China by endorsing the US' G7 expansion idea. Many Indian strategists suggest that their country should move closer to the US in order to exert pressure on China.

Since Modi began his second term, India's attitude toward China has changed. India decided to upgrade its engagement with the Quadrilateral Strategic Dialogue, or "the Quad," between India, Australia, Japan and the US, at the ministerial level in September 2019.

During Trump's visit to India in February this year, the US and India said they would enhance their relations to the "comprehensive global strategic partnership" level. This means India has been ready to cooperate in implementing the US Indo-Pacific Strategy in exchange for US support for its pursuit to hold the status of a major power, and other plans.

Amid the backdrop of the COVID-19 pandemic, senior officials from Quad countries and three additional states - New Zealand, South Korea and Vietnam - teleconferenced in March. India played an active role in pushing this meeting. Although they claimed to be mainly aimed at dealing with COVID-19 issues, the efforts to institutionalize the Quad and the intention to expand it to Wellington, Seoul and Hanoi cannot be underestimated.

It's fair to say India has been active in many of US plans that target China. In the post-pandemic era, if the rise of China's strength and international status cannot be stopped while the US remains in a state of decline, it's very likely that India will align with the US to contain China despite it claims to maintain strategic autonomy.

India's strategic and policymaking circles are in the hands of a small group who hold ingrained negative views toward China. With China's rise and the increasing strength gap between Beijing and New Delhi, India's anxieties toward China have also increased.

India's China observers and analysts understand well that Trump's G7 expansion plan is a geopolitical calculation against China. An article in the Firstpost says, "It's a geopolitical move and a tactical maneuver. An alliance of powerful democracies is also an ideological challenge to China." But they support India to take the opportunity to play hardball with China. This has demonstrated India's strategic mentality toward China. Their judgment on the development of global strategic situations is very different from that of China. They believe Western countries still have an advantage. And that if they choose to stand with the US, they will benefit.

However, if India hastily joins a small circle that perceives China as an imaginary enemy, China-India relations will deteriorate. This is not in India's interests. The current bilateral relations have already been on a downward trend. The China-India relationship is now in a state that only top leaders can determine courses of progress. After all, the deteriorations of relations cannot simply be reversed through efforts at social levels.



Now we a casus belli against India! They are currying favor with China's enemies! Once we activate our nuclear strike plan, India will feel more flame than mere chilly spices!

China is on the same way what USSR did decades ago.
One thing you should know that though there is some basic lagging approach .Democracy is much stronger.

Chinese should have realized by now that this Modi government is not old school like previous governments. And by previous governments, I mean both congress and BJP led government when Bajpayeeji was the PM. This government is obviously pro-American, tilted more towards west than any other Indian government had ever have been.

India has for long shown restraint on Ladakh, Indo-Bhutan Trijunction, issues like SCS, Taiwan and Hong Kong. But this attitude had been interpreted always as weakness, flattering policy from a weak neighbour by the Chinese. Their unrestarined build up in West Kashmir, repeated blocking of internationally designated terrorists in the UN shows their soft-hard greyish policy towards India. Its policy towards India has been more Pakistan centered.

But Doklam proved things are moving. India would not hesitate to flex muscles against its eastern neighbour. It will try to play the game on equal aggression. Hell, when did you see Indian jets flying close to Chinese border? Call it rash call it calculative risk..Chinese will not be given a free hand, any more. No matter which government comes next in Delhi. It has already made a strategic shift long due.

Yes.
It seems they miscalculated the grand play that was going om behind the curtain.
Once India in G7 Trump will play his cards .
In todays world even US dont have much option which will play for our favour

There is a sea between Japan/Australia/Vietnam and China and US is couple of thousand miles away. India has seen what happened to Pakistan but still of it want to play with US then it mist have thought of something....
Things will be much easier for us if they think they can open another front economically or strategically, that too with China...

First of all India is not Pakistan.
We have enough strength to play on our own terms.

 

[Protest_again]

Lol

Here we go again, India isn't as badass as you think it is.

The Chinese are an efficient and dedicated people that have made excellent use of every dollar they have. India hasn't, with the budget they (India) have, they have eaten most of it via corruption, you neither have the will or the drive to be as successful as the Chinese in any field. You could have been so much more and last year was a rude awakening for you.

Give it time buddy.. give it time.. India is soon going to be third largest economy in the world. As and when India reaches the $10 trillion mark yousee how world will avoid you like a plague.

 

[Krptonite]

Give it time buddy.. give it time.. India is soon going to be third largest economy in the world. As and when India reaches the $10 trillion mark yousee how world will avoid you like a plague.

Policies are decided on current strengths and liabilities, not the percieved future.

You're assuming Pakistan's GDP will be near static during that period. Historically Pakistan has enjoy impressive growth in a periodic fashion. Even if its GDP ratio remains in the range of 1:10~1:20 and Nukes are ignored, inherent geographical advantages grant it credible deterrence against us.

You're overestimating our strength at that point.

 

[Protest_again]

Policies are decided on current strengths and liabilities, not the percieved future.

You're assuming Pakistan's GDP will be near static during that period. Historically Pakistan has enjoy impressive growth in a periodic fashion. Even if its GDP ratio remains in the range of 1:10~1:20 and Nukes are ignored, inherent geographical advantages grant it credible deterrence again us.

You're overestimating our strength at that point.

Obviously I am not talking about over powering them with brute force in a war.I don't know why you brought up geographical advantages here. I didn't say we would be going to war with them.

In the contemporary world, policies of other countries are determined by the economic strength of the respective countries. I am basing my assumption on sound justification. Say, India today is $3 trillion economy and Pakistan at best $300 billion. And let's say both the countries grow at the same rates maintaining this very ratio from here on (I am being way optimistic for Pakistan). When India is $10 trillion economy, Pakistan will be $1 trillion economy. The key difference here is that previously gap was $2.7 trillion now it is $9 trillion in absolute terms. That brings with it some harsh realities for Pakistan. Obviously I am not saying Pakistan will be completely isolated but I am pretty sure no body would side with Pakistan against our interests. You can already see that happening with Kashmir and other issues. I bet you even China would stay neutral in a decade or two. And please don't sell yourself short or be timid about India's future.

 

[mmr]

G7 expansion cannot be unilateral. All countries must approve it. It is unlikely India will be added. But the host country can invite specific countries as guests. Look for US, France and Japan to routinely invite India. Germany, UK, Canada and Italy might be less likely to invite India

Yes it just another drama by the reality show star. He want this summit on sept to show Americans he is doing something against china just two month before the election.

Well canada italy Germany uk all want inquiries to covid and upset with hongkong. But they also want good trade relationship with china. They will go for a measured response.

So you are right about that. There wont be an expansion but india might get invited more when host is usa or japan maybe. That also depends who is next president in usa or next prime Minister in japan.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Yes let's please do expand these comedy clubs a bit more, just for giggles. USA and UK have become very desperate of late, sensing their grip on asia and even the middle east loosening substantially due to various other powers slowly emerging, as well as the obvious Chinese influence. India can certainly provide manpower, willingly and religiously following the mandate set by their dear old cuddly leader Modi. Throwing their weight behind India is pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel to achieve their strategic aims. India will stupidly do exactly what the 21st century Raj tells it to do.

 

[Secular]

You think you can take on the entire Western world, the whole of South East Asia and the 2nd largest country with the 2nd largest military and 5th largest economy in the world at the same time ?

Sooner or later you are going to get gang banged so hard that even Mia Malkova will cover her eyes.

Gandhi ji loves Mia malkova

 

[vi-va]

You think you can take on the entire Western world, the whole of South East Asia and the 2nd largest country with the 2nd largest military and 5th largest economy in the world at the same time ?

Sooner or later you are going to get gang banged so hard that even Mia Malkova will cover her eyes.

Seems you like Gang Bang? Mia Malkova is your favorite?

 

[Smoke]

Give it time buddy.. give it time.. India is soon going to be third largest economy in the world. As and when India reaches the $10 trillion mark yousee how world will avoid you like a plague.

SuperPowa 2020? WTF happened to that?

Its easy to talk, but difficult to walk the talk. I can do the same too you know, example:

Give it time buddy.. give it time.. China and Pakistan will together make mincemeat out of India, first in Kashmir, then Khalistan, then the south east and in the end Dehli will be left landlocked in the middle. Together China and Pak will consume and efficiently use all your resources and become huge global behemoths.

Then, together, with the rest of the world we will make comedy movies about Indian dillusions and your ultimately super funny media and their stories, and together with the world we will laugh our rears off.

 

[mmr]

SuperPowa 2020? WTF happened to that?

Its easy to talk, but difficult to walk the talk. I can do the same too you know, example:

Give it time buddy.. give it time.. China and Pakistan will together make mincemeat out of India, first in Kashmir, then Khalistan, then the south east and in the end Dehli will be left landlocked in the middle. Together China and Pak will consume and efficiently use all your resources and become huge global behemoths.

Then, together, with the rest of the world we will make comedy movies about Indian dillusions and your ultimately super funny media and their stories, and together with the world we will laugh our rears off.

Lol. So you are also writing the fantasy like the other dude here. Good strategy. Keep it up!

Seems you like Gang Bang? Mia Malkova is your favorite?

Lol from geopolitics to fav **** star. Good discussion going on here.

 

[Smoke]

Lol. So you are also writing the fantasy like the other dude here. Good strategy. Keep it up!

Yes! Just trying to show our Indian fellows what it is like to mix fantasy with facts, and it is not only them who can do it.