India persuading Karzai govt for US attack in tribal areas

[Spring Onion]

KENT you are already missing the point.
getting access through Chahbahar is one thing and what Black Stone as well as was trying to make you understand is

That India has no land route to reach Afghanistan and CARs.

The trade between India and Afghanistan is only possible through Pakistan.

Plus Afghanistan need to relaise before teaming up with Indians to create trouble for Pakistan, that she has no port of her own and its Pakistan that is key to her economic activities and most of the supplies.

 

[IceCold]

Plus Afghanistan need to relaise before teaming up with Indians to create trouble for Pakistan, that she has no port of her own and its Pakistan that is key to her economic activities and most of the supplies.

That is true but since the afghans are known to be so thick skull, we will actually need to demonstrate it to them about what actually we can do if they decide to go towards the wrong end. If we dont do it like always showing our weak side then nothing will happen specially with karzai in place.

 

[KENT]

KENT you are already missing the point.
getting access through Chahbahar is one thing and what Black Stone as well as was trying to make you understand is

That India has no land route to reach Afghanistan and CARs.

Offcourse mate, if you read my post correctly I had claimed that as India has opted for the construction of Chabber port of Iran as part of its stretgeic ties and from Chabber port India will constructe road and railway route towards Afganistan and some other Middile eastern and central part of Asia.

The trade between India and Afghanistan is only possible through Pakistan.

This is a hardcore reality and I know about it and that is why India has opted for the construction of Iranian Chabber port, as Indian shipping liner will travel through all the way from arabian sea upto chabber and then cargo of those shipping liner after unloading from shipping liner will be loaded on to Trucks and Railway boogies and then they can make there way towards Middle and central part of Asia through Land and Railway route from chabber port.

Plus Afghanistan need to relaise before teaming up with Indians to create trouble for Pakistan,

Right now there is no smell of creating any trouble to pakistan by India, since toehold of US in Afganisatn

that she has no port of her own and its Pakistan that is key to her economic activities and most of the supplies.

What kind of economic activities are you talking about in respect of Afganistan?

As far as US is based there and correspondigly India's positive diplomatic relationship with US will make sure to have secure passageway for India to gain an access to Middle and central Asia.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Pragmatically speaking, it is not feasible for India to create problems for Pakistan since that will upset the US geostrategic aims and India, of late, appears to be veering towards the US owing to the heavy financial investments that have been made by the US in the Indian market.

If the US should sneeze, the Indian economy will rumble. The fear of a US recession has already plunged the SENSEX in a crazy tumble as of today.

In so far as Indian exports to Afghanistan is concerned, notwithstanding the relations with Pakistan, the second route is being opened through Iran. India is perpetually looking a new markets to engine her economy and growth.

Indeed, it should not be surprising if strategic interests too are involved and it is for anyone to see. As Afghanistan is important to Pakistan, so is it to India, US, Russia and China.

 

[roadrunner]

This is a hardcore reality and I know about it and that is why India has opted for the construction of Iranian Chabber port, as Indian shipping liner will travel through all the way from arabian sea upto chabber and then cargo of those shipping liner after unloading from shipping liner will be loaded on to Trucks and Railway boogies and then they can make there way towards Middle and central part of Asia through Land and Railway route from chabber port.

Short-sighted. Shipping is much more expensive than land, profit margins would diminish if you were going to export everything by ship. Those things are awfully big to run.

Also, this all depends on whether Iran is an ally of India in the future. The current Islamic fundamentalist government might warm to India, but in the future, a pre-1979 secular government might not. Then where would you be left? Are you going to ship everything round Asia, or through China?

Pakistan has an ideal geostrategic location imo with many borders.

 

[Goodperson]

Iran may or may not have good relationship with India, The link to port is going to help Afganisthan only. Pakistan will always have bigger role in the landlocked country.
Economy will be the major reason for nations to have good relationships, otherwise we all be lagging.

 

[Spring Onion]

This is a hardcore reality and I know about it and that is why India has opted for the construction of Iranian Chabber port, as Indian shipping liner will travel through all the way from arabian sea upto chabber and then cargo of those shipping liner after unloading from shipping liner will be loaded on to Trucks and Railway boogies and then they can make there way towards Middle and central part of Asia through Land and Railway route from chabber port.

It has been replied by RR .
indeed you can do trade like that but then you faild altogather to understand the significance of long and short routes and the cost involved.

What kind of economic activities are you talking about in respect of Afganistan?

As far as US is based there and correspondigly India's positive diplomatic relationship with US will make sure to have secure passageway for India to gain an access to Middle and central Asia.

Afghanistan is more dependent on Pakistan for all kinds of trade hence it will harm her more if some of moroons continued to listen to their Indian masters.
Secondly India is desparate to have trade with Afghanistan and as you said to reach CARs BUT its a wishfull dream that India will get any levearge just because US Is in Afghanistan and India has "good" diplomatic ties with US.
Plus the Iranian Port which you mentioned and got over the moon for that, well till the time US is in Afghanistan she will never ever allow Iran to get advantage and have booming trade using Chahbahar and its also unlikely if US will allow just to please India at the cost of empowering Iran.

PLus as i said before Chahbahar is a seasonal Port and can not work in Monsoon season.

 

[KENT]

Short-sighted. Shipping is much more expensive than land, profit margins would diminish if you were going to export everything by ship. Those things are awfully big to run.

Huh?

Man we are living in the modern world, not in ancient times when cost of transit through the ocean were soaring. Now the increasing Trade transit cost throguh the ocean is the things of past

All this years,India's Rising economic growth is being yielding on account of its Trade Surplus thorugh the export and much of its trade route with other countries all over the world is connected only with Ocean and not with connectivity with Pakistan and China, then tell me How does the Shipping would cost much and diminish profit margin of India?


Everyyear nearly 1 Lacs of Shipping liner transit through the Indian Ocean, and it is increaeing day by day with increasing Globalisation,then How does shipping is much more expensive then land route?.

Indian-Irainan-Afganistan tilateral trade agreement has open the corrider for surplus trade through Transit from Arabian sea, it is estimated that this link will bring transit time from 10 to 20 days and reduction in the cost per container by $400-500.

Also, this all depends on whether Iran is an ally of India in the future. The current Islamic fundamentalist government might warm to India, but in the future, a pre-1979 secular government might not. Then where would you be left? Are you going to ship everything round Asia, or through China?

Offcourse, that would the case, but right now Iran wants to increase its trade surplus to grow in terms of economics and Hence Iran is very eagar to cooperate with India, as Iran has very valuable geo-strategic location like their connectivity to Middile-east and central Asia as well as route to Russian and Europe. Iran has already sought cooperation with India and Russia to increase its Trade surplus.

Pakistan has an ideal geostrategic location imo with many borders.

May be it is true, but as far as India is concerned it has very little leverage on India in terms of trade surplus.

 

[KENT]

It has been replied by RR .
indeed you can do trade like that but then you faild altogather to understand the significance of long and short routes and the cost involved.

Man please enlighten me regarding the cost when 1 lac shipping liner used to transit through the Indian ocean without bothering about the cost and on the top of that had India bother about such a marginal transit cost then India could not attain such soaring economic growth, since India's export trade all this years is solely transiting through the Ocean.

Afghanistan is more dependent on Pakistan for all kinds of trade hence it will harm her more if some of moroons continued to listen to their Indian masters.

The Afgan Government is keen on lowering the its political and economic depedance on Pakistan, as its core is made up of the urstwhile Northen Alliance leadership.

Landlocked afganistan has been so far been highly dependant on Pakistani ports for its trade. But access to chabber will give it more option to govern overseas trade and lessen Islamabad Political leverage on it.

Secondly India is desparate to have trade with Afghanistan and as you said to reach CARs BUT its a wishfull dream that India will get any levearge just because US Is in Afghanistan and India has "good" diplomatic ties with US.
Plus the Iranian Port which you mentioned and got over the moon for that, well till the time US is in Afghanistan she will never ever allow Iran to get advantage and have booming trade using Chahbahar and its also unlikely if US will allow just to please India at the cost of empowering Iran.

Don't worry about US pressure on Iran, Iran has many sources to payback the US pressure for that matter, Iran has with this new arrangement, is positioning itself as custodian of new trade route to afganistan, Russian and central asia. Iran has already engaged Russian and India to improve the North-south Corrider that can carry goods from India to southern Iran and therafter across Caspian Sea into Russian and Europe.

On top of that Iran, India and Central Asian republic of Turkemenistan have also singed an agreement to transit goods from Iranian Port of Bandar Abbas to central Asia via Turkeministan. Goods can transfer either by Road or Railway route as Iranian and the central Asian railway system have been inter-connected since mid-nineties.Three sides also found possibilities of finding road access to Tajikistan and Ujbekistan in Cental Asia, in the case their cooperation can result in linking the Chabbar-Dilaram road to Afgansitan.

PLus as i said before Chahbahar is a seasonal Port and can not work in Monsoon season.

Oh Man, Iran has declared Chahabar port as a free trade zone, impact of Monsoon may be there but Iran with the cooperation with India has taken care of those climatic effect. As India has opted for the construction of Port and more then mature enough to remind itself about monsoon effect, so preventive measure may have been already been taken. Required Infrasture at Chabhar port may have already been deployed to fight anykind of cliamtic Catastropic eventualities.

It is not that such climatic change will effect Ultra-Billion Trade surplus of Iran.

 

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