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Date: 12 November 2011
Posted By : by AMEER TARIN
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/editorial/2011/11/12/1650.html

Kashmir has its share of writers, academicians and intellectuals who, under the prevailing circumstances, compulsorily prefer to maintain a low profile. There is no dearth of talent. But writing or expressing oneself in a free and fair environment makes the job easy. This is especially when one does not have to go through trauma and fear of facing reprisals in the form of arrests under preventive detention and or fear of dreaded disappearances culture as the law enforcement agencies are immune as empowerment through draconian laws means that no one is answerable.

Kashmir, as we know, is going through difficult times, and the going seems tough as again speaking out the truth becomes real hard and at times impossible. In a democracy, freedom of press and right to information professed allows running of normal day to day affairs smoothly to a reasonable extent. On the contrary, the unpleasant issues like human right violations, indiscriminate killings, house searches backed by draconian laws, adds humiliation and resultant psychological problems for the effected populace, which can become an embarrassment, especially under the watchful eyes of the international community.

The general public wholly depends on the information allowed for consumption and policy directions formulated to be followed by the media circles in the broader national interest. People of India, unfortunately, are fed with information that is far from truth and it is expected that an “established vibrant democracy” gives people the right to know everything about anything that happens on local or international level.

The problem of Kashmir as projected and given to understand to people of India can be based mainly on the following arguments which, in fairness to public in general, is understood to be the gospel truth. That Maharaja of Kashmir; Sir Hari Singh signed the ‘Instrument of Accession’ with India; and The popular upcoming leader of Kashmir, Sheikh Muhammad Abdullah ratified the Accession document and; the plebiscite or Right of Self- Determination as per the understanding reached with a commitment to Last Viceroy Lord Mountbatten or UN Security Council Resolutions is null and void due to the reason that Kashmir held various local elections to choose their elected government and representatives. So, no need for a plebiscite, and as per the UN Security Council Resolutions, Pakistan must vacate its occupation of the area of Kashmir and also minimal presence of Indian troops for a plebiscite, if at all, to be held, and finally. the present uprising in Kashmir is nothing but ‘Islamic terrorism’ helped, aided and abetted by Pakistan from across the border.

At the outset; the ‘Accession Document’ signed by Maharaja Sir Hari Singh is considered highly controversial as many quarters believe that no such document was ever signed. In this connection Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw (erstwhile Army Chief of India) observed throwing light on the claim saying: “I was in the Palace when V P Menon, Mahajan (Mehr Chand) and the Maharaja were discussing the subject. The Maharaja was running from one room to another…..I did not see Maharaja signing it (accession document), nor did I see Mahajan. All I do know is that V P Menon turned around and said, ‘Sam we’ve got the accession’.” Lord Mountbatten visited Kashmir in June, 1947 and in a conversation Mountbatten suggested to Maharaja that he should join Pakistan.

´I don‘t want to accede to Pakistan on any account,’ Hari Singh answered’. Well,’ Mountbatten said, ‘it is up to you, but I think you should consider it very carefully since after all 90% of your people are Moslem. But, if you don’t, then you must join India. In that case, I will see that an infantry division is sent up here to preserve the integrity of your boundaries.’ ‘No,’ replied the Maharaja, ‘I don’t wish to join India either.

I wish to be independent.´ So history proved Maharaja to be on the right and his tough stance for staying independent would have changed the course of history saving thousands of innocent lives. Unfortunately the die was cast to lay the foundation for more than a billion people to nurse a festering wound for decades. A serious dispassionate and objective effort must be made to probe into reasons that led to removal of Sheikh Abdullah from seat of power as interim Prime Minister, on August 9, 1953.

Initially, the intention of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, it is perceived, cannot be doubted as on several occasions he reiterated his declared position to Sheikh Abdullah’s person, people of Kashmir, the international community and more importantly to the United Nations Security Council to grant the right of self determination to the State of Kashmir. To this effect, one of his (Pandit Nehru) several statements can be quoted to reveal his intention as on July 6, 1951 he said: “People seem to forget that Kashmir is not a commodity for sale or to be bartered. It has an individual existence and its people must be the final arbiters of their future”.

The umbilical cord tightly in place of two bosom friends was smashed to smithereens and again it is vitally important to probe into the reasons creating a breach of trust and parting of ways. The history of Kashmir had to be re-written and the caucus of Kashmiri bureaucratic elite surrounded Pandit Nehru to remind him of imaginary threat to 4% Kashmiri Brahmans from Muslim majority Kashmir. The group succeeded to inveigle Pandit Ji in believing a far fetched possibility; though Kashmir, all along, had been peaceful under the leadership of Sheikh Abdullah with a popular slogan on every Kashmiri Muslims lips “SHERI KASHMIR KA KYA IRSHAD HINDU MUSLIM SIKH ITIHAD” (Sheikh Abdullah’s avowed slogan, unity of Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs) compared to whatever on the day was happening beyond Udhampur in Jammu Province.

In the spring of 1953, Pandit Nehru was made to believe that Sheikh Abdullah was playing with the idea of creating an independent sovereign nation of Kashmir as he met visiting US Democrat leader Adlai Stevenson and if that happened 4% fellow Kashmiris either would have the option to migrate to India or get annihilated. And charging him (Nehru) up emotionally was reminded of his ancestral heritage and culture of his forefathers that eventually would become a history.

Pandit Ji fell into a trap and took a somersault to hatch a conspiracy of sedition and treason against Sheikh Abdullah which became a turning point forcing Indian establishment to resort to schemes or intrigues deciding future of Kashmir relations as per the whims, wishes and directions of this elite group. Sheikh Abdullah, a towering personality, a crowed puller, a political messiah of Kashmiri masses was sidelined and replaced by poodles and puppets kept in power through rigged elections and each time deployment of army to conduct such elections meant more deaths.

To describe August 9, 1953 action taken by Pandit Nehru at the behest of elite privileged Kashmiri group, Dr. Karan Singh, the Yuvraj (Crown Prince) of Maharaja Hari Singh says: “The history of the Indian sub- continent would have been "different" if the then Maharaja Hari Singh and Sheikh Abdullah had come to an agreement on the State soon after accession”. “Hari Singh had maintained a "dignified silence" over the events that took place in late 1940s and his "one statement could have deeply embarrassed the Indian government”. “

Hari Singh had agreed to go to exile after signing the Instrument of Accession agreement with India and Sheikh Abdullah wrote a letter to him saying that despite all happenings "he would be a loyal subject" to him. "Had Maharaja Hari Singh and Sheikh Abdullah been able to come to an agreement, the whole history of the sub-continent would have been different. Unfortunately, that did not happen”. “My father was exiled and Sheikh Abdullah was dismissed (as Prime Minister). I dismissed him.

I have to admit," The two arguments that Maharaja signed the Accession and Sheikh Abdullah ratifying it fall like a pack of cards as it did not take, the people at helm, long to exile Maharaja and imprison Sheikh Abdullah. On the day when Sheikh Abdullah was removed, then popular leader of Kashmir, an estimated fifteen hundred people died in indiscriminate firing, crushing uprising with an iron hand put last nail in the coffin of total alienation from India.

The sham elections held for the last sixty five years have always been used to mislead the international community and Kashmiris felt cheated on all occasions and the degree of anger took a leap. Kashmiris believe that these ‘elections’ were rather a need of the successive governments in New Delhi to maintain credibility of India’s democratic values that she has been struggling to uphold.

‘Elections’, even if fair, cannot be an alternative for a plebiscite, a referendum or a right of self determination promised and conducted under the supervision of some UN body. Kashmiris believe that wars cannot be a solution as India cannot win the part held by Pakistan nor can Pakistan win the area held by India and Kashmir cannot be held as hostage to the argument that Pakistan should vacate the area occupied or vice-versa as that leads us back to square one.

India and Pakistan have to sit across the table and decide on a modus operandi for such a plebiscite or referendum. Kashmiris plea that everything right or wrong has been tried to put across their point seeking their legitimate rights but nothing seems to work. A lot of blood has already been spilled and a sparsely populated Kashmir cannot afford anymore killings.

Kashmir’s large majority believes that relation with India would not be at a point of no return if Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru had allowed politically firm Sheikh Abdullah to continue with developed understanding and refused to succumb to the pressure of the notorious bureaucratic elite group. 1989 saw a violent uprising against India, people of Kashmir taking up arms and the resultant loss of two generations numbering more than one hundred thousand people dead (Indian official figure as sixty thousand dead), hundreds of rapes, thousands disappeared consumed in torture chambers and millions worth of a huge number of properties turned into a mound of rubble.

An even in 2010 changed strategy of people to use stones and bricks that left more than one hundred fifty dead. V M Tarkunde, acclaimed Indian lawyer, civil rights activist, and humanist leader on February 19, 1990 had this to say: “A grant of plebiscite to the people of Kashmir Valley is the obvious solution. If, as a third alternative Kashmir becomes an Independent Democratic and Secular State, its territorial integrity should be guaranteed by India, Pakistan and the UN. That would end the hostility between India and Pakistan and Kashmir will acquire the Status of the Switzerland of Asia.

A Humanist cannot wish for anything better”. Two million people on the roads of Kashmir were asking a question: BAAN KI MOON, WHERE ARE YOU?

MOON only speaks for people like libyan rebels
 
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“A grant of plebiscite to the people of Kashmir Valley is the obvious solution. If, as a third alternative Kashmir becomes an Independent Democratic and Secular State, its territorial integrity should be guaranteed by India, Pakistan and the UN. That would end the hostility between India and Pakistan and Kashmir will acquire the Status of the Switzerland of Asia.

A Humanist cannot wish for anything better”. Two million people on the roads of Kashmir were asking a question: BAAN KI MOON, WHERE ARE YOU?

i think its the best solution

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India and Pakistan have to sit across the table and decide on a modus operandi for such a plebiscite or referendum. Kashmiris plea that everything right or wrong has been tried to put across their point seeking their legitimate rights but nothing seems to work. A lot of blood has already been spilled and a sparsely populated Kashmir cannot afford anymore killings.
now we should solve the Kashmir issue so that in future Pakistan and India can live like a good neighbors
 
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then dont think for permanent peace in the region

Nope, not in our interest unless ofcourse...LoC is recognized as international border. :) Or, you could just hand over the rest of kashmir, and India might (MIGHT) give you a lucrative trade deal.

PS: You can have all the pakistanis in P 0 k btw...
 
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then dont think for permanent peace in the region

If we give Kashmir in a platter to u guys, even then we wont have peace in the region..
u guys wont stop with that..u will ask for Gujarat(Junadgarh), hyderabad ... Ever eternal dream of flying ur Pakistan flag on Lal Qila , bringing the imagined 1000 yr old golden rule of islam over India by subjugating 800 million Hindus either by force or sword

Hafiz Saeed in a rally in Lahore on july 2011:
"From the door of Kashmir we will launch Gazwah-e-Hind (battle for Hindustan)"

So sorry we will not be getting peace anyway..
 
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Nope, not in our interest unless ofcourse...LoC is recognized as international border. :) Or, you could just hand over the rest of kashmir, and India might (MIGHT) give you a lucrative trade deal.

PS: You can have all the pakistanis in P 0 k btw...
this shows that you have no interest in Peace ,,,,,,,,:tdown:
oh i see you are afraid of referendum and independent plebiscite in kashmir ..... oh you even did not remembered you promises in UN

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If we give Kashmir in a platter to u guys, even then we wont have peace in the region..
u guys wont stop with that..u will ask for Gujarat(Junadgarh), hyderabad ... Ever eternal dream of flying ur Pakistan flag on Lal Qila , bringing the imagined 1000 yr old golden rule of islam over India by subjugating 800 million Hindus either by force or sword



So sorry we will not be getting peace anyway..
this thread is not about religion so dont bring it here and try to hide your hate against Islam
 
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this shows that you have no interest in Peace ,,,,,,,,:tdown:
oh i see you are afraid of referendum and independent plebiscite in kashmir ..... oh you even did not remembered you promises in UN

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this thread is not about religion so dont bring it here and try to hide your hate against Islam

Unless pakistan makes good on its promise to eradicate islamic terrorism, de fang its military and intelligence agencies.....there can be no peace. We don't want war either. Indians want India to isolate herself from pakistan as much as possible and ignore it completely. But of course, with the current administration this is not going to happen. Hopefully the next time..when BJP or even a stronger congress coalition comes to power.

We ought to be more like israel...It must come to a point when all pakistan can do is make a lot of noise and india simply holding their ground. After all, what do we stand to gain with this "peace"?
 
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this shows that you have no interest in Peace ,,,,,,,,:tdown:
oh i see you are afraid of referendum and independent plebiscite in kashmir ..... oh you even did not remembered you promises in UN

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this thread is not about religion so dont bring it here and try to hide your hate against Islam

O bhai!!! that statement was what LeT and JeM leaders and ur great Lion 'Zaid hamid' says in every talk show...
So who here hates who?
 
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O bhai!!! that statement was what LeT and JeM leaders and ur great Lion 'Zaid hamid' says in every talk show...
So who here hates who?
Delusions of grandeur.
Most, if not all of their media outlets come out with anti-india statements. How do you think any real peace is even possible when you have such venom brewing there?
 
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Delusions of grandeur.
Most, if not all of their media outlets come out with anti-india statements. How do you think any real peace is even possible when you have such venom brewing there?

Grandeur or not.. Until those groups operate on Pakistani soil with impunity no Indian will believe that there is any chance of peace..
As of now the perception an average Indian gets is either the Pakistan gov is unwilling or is incapable of acting against such groups.
So if u r unwilling to act then there is no guarantee that u will do anything to those groups even if Kashmir is given on a platter and
if u r incapable then there is no way u will be capable of dealing with those groups even if u get Kashmir..
There is no any Indian would accept Pakistan's word that there will be peace if solution to Kashmir is attained.
This is no more about land, the issue is now about our security. And no amount of pressure from Pakistan or US or even UN is going to change India's will and hold over Kashmir.
 
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Nope, not in our interest unless ofcourse...LoC is recognized as international border. :) Or, you could just hand over the rest of kashmir, and India might (MIGHT) give you a lucrative trade deal.

PS: You can have all the pakistanis in P 0 k btw...

kashmir is not a laddoo that pakistan can give to india or india can give to pakistan. This is the problem. We need to listen to kashmiris
 
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kashmir is not a laddoo that pakistan can give to india or india can give to pakistan. This is the problem. We need to listen to kashmiris

Yes, we listened to kashmiris and they said Pakistani army sponsored terrorists cross the LoC into J&K and cause trouble. If pakistan didnt rely on terrorists and islamic terror tactics to make their point....then maybe you guys may have had a valid claim. now, even the hope of something along those lines are lost.

How can even say that your claim on Kashmir is morally justifiable when clearly your state has no intention of using the proper channels that are necessary to foster the peace process. Every one step forward India takes on this issue, pakistan takes two steps backward.

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New Delhi, May 8: At least 700 militants are being trained at various terror camps across the LoC with over 100 waiting at "launch pads" to infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir, officials said.

Intelligence inputs suggested that about 700 to 800 militants are holed up in different camps across the Line of Control and getting terror training, Home Ministry officials said.

"Despite our repeated complaints to Pakistan, the terror infrastructure continues to exist across the border and hundreds of terrorists are getting training there. Over 100 are waiting at launch pads to enter Jammu and Kashmir at any time," an official said.

The intelligence inputs also suggested that authorities in Pakistan may try to push more terrorists, belonging to Lashkar-e-Taiba and Hizbul Mujahideen, into Kashmir in an attempt to divert attention from itself following the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Officials said the recent ceasefire violation by the Pakistani troops along the LoC by firing rocket-propelled grenades, medium machine guns and small arms on Indian posts in Poonch district indicated such attempts.

"Firing along the border normally takes place when there is an attempt of infiltration by militants," the official said.

The recent firing along the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir had taken place on May 5, April 24 and 22.

"The security forces on the ground are fully alert and ready to foil any attempt by the militants to cross the border," the official said.

As per intelligence inputs, there are about 42 training camps across the LoC.

PTI

''Over 100 militants waiting at launch pads to enter J-K''
 
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If, as a third alternative Kashmir becomes an Independent Democratic and Secular State, its territorial integrity should be guaranteed by India, Pakistan and the UN. That would end the hostility between India and Pakistan and Kashmir will acquire the Status of the Switzerland of Asia.
For starters, the whole of J&K should be given self rule ie, in both parts of Kashmir. Let them elect their own government. However, defence, foreign affairs and the state's economy should initially be controlled by India and Pakistan in their own areas. The borders/LoC should be made redundant allowing for free movement between the two Kashmirs.

The next step should lead on to the gradual transfer of defence, foreign affairs and economy to the elected government of Kashmir making it an independent state. All this will however depend on how the first step pans out.

But the problems are many. Firstly, controlling cross border militant activity. However, this may not be an issue as the situation would have changed for the benefit of all stake holders.

Secondly, the hawks on both sides may never allow this to happen. Vote bank politics and the false sense of 'dignity and pride' of netas on both sides will be a dampener.

Thirdly, will the people on both sides of the divide ever allow this to happen, seeing that they have been fed on a diet of hatred and incorrect interpretations of the dispute?

Fourthly, what would happen if an independent Kashmir demands from Pakistan the area ceded by it to China in 1963? This includes a part of Hunza-Gilgit called Raskam and the Shaksgam Valley of Baltistan region. And similarly what happens to Aksai Chin? Check out the map below.....

Kashmir_map.jpg


Fifthly, what happens to Hindu majority Jammu?

One aspect of the Security Council Resolutions I would like to mention is that UN Resolution 47 (DOCUMENT NO. S/726, DATED THE 21ST APRIL, 1948, Procedure for Plebiscite) is under Chapter VI of the UN Charter which makes it non binding and has no mandatory enforceability, as opposed to the resolutions passed under Chapter VII. The question therefore is, why did Pakistan not insist on including it under Chapter VII to make it enforceable?

But that is history and cannot be changed. We now need to look ahead and come out with unconventional solutions for permanent peace in the sub continent. We need statesmen on both sides for out-of-the-box solutions and arrive at mutually acceptable solutions taking into account the aspirations of the Kashmiris.

The alternative is a debilitating never ending cold war between India and Pakistan which is preventing both nations from providing a higher standard of living and a better future for the millions who are below the poverty line. And needless to say, a far better future for the coming generations. We owe it to them!

Cheers! :tup:
 
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When millions of Kashmiri Pundits migrated due to extremism how can that Plebiscite will done? Enlighten us.
 
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