India Pakistan Comparison 2010

[jha]

than how is that in idiot?

maybe you should check the mirror and you'll find that idiot!

hahahaha did you look into it. (no offence )....carry on your usual....

 

[Desert Fox]

I have similar experience.... people who have visited india they told me that they have seen people sleeping next to ****! and no toilets even for women....where as they are surprised to see Pakistan.
Unfortunately new govt. has destroyed previously made infrastructure and has halted all new developmental projects.
I have even heard that projects which were under construction are on halt and PPP activist are destroying the under construction school and hospital buildings to steal iron rods.
Criminals are patronized by local political thugs and local govt. structure is being dismanteled.
I think if such state of affairs continue than india will catchup with Pakistan's development in next 5 - 10 years.

this is exactly what i was trying to explain to the indian members, ever since Zardari and co came into office all developmental projects have been halted and not much progress has been made! But InshaAllah things will get better!

 

[Desert Fox]

I will only address the Tele-density :

Pakistan’s latest Mobile Phone connections figures are about 94 Million.

In the meantime India has added Nearly 170 Million Mobile Phones in the Period 30th November 2008 to 30th November 2010.

On 30th November 2009 India had 506.04 Million Mobile Subscriptions – Connections – Phones : Tele-density 46.32%

On 30th November 2008 India had 336.08 Million Mobile Subscriptions – Connections – Phones : Tele-density 32,34%

At this rate i.e. adding over One and a Half Times the number of Pakistani Mobile Phones has annually should allow Indian Tele-density to equal – if not overtake - Pakistani Tele-density by End March 2011.

On CNG India is striving to have more and more CNG Vehicals but I do not have the numbers.

Ports : Please check at Indian Ports Association.

I think the Annual Caroes handled at all Indian Ports is in the vicinity of about 70 Million Tons in 2008-2009 including 520 Million Tons at Major Ports. Pakistan handled about 70 Million Tons in 2008-2009.

Railways : Please check at Indian Railways

In 2008-2009 Indian Railways handled about 6.75 Billion Passengers and possibly 700 Million Tons of Goods. Pakistan Railways during same period handled about 85 Million Passengers and about 8 Million Tons of Goods.

Last Year Indian Railways Chittaranjan and Diesel Locomotive Works added 220 Electric and 257 Diesel Locomotives respectively.

Pakistan Railways has a Total of about 550 Locomotives.

Roads & Airports : Hope others can help.

lets not forget that indian is a much bigger country with a population over 1 billion, whereas Pakistan isn't as large as india and our population is only 170 million+!

 

[Hutchroy]

lets not forget that indian is a much bigger country with a population over 1 billion, whereas Pakistan isn't as large as india and our population is only 170 million+!

Yes indeed India is nearly Seven Times the Population and Economy as Pakistan, but,

Railways :

Routes Kilometres : Eight Times - Track Kilometers : Ten Times

Locomotives : About Sixteen Times – Locomotives Manufactured : In 2008-2009 257 Diesel and 220 Electric whereas Pakistan still “Assembles” the Chinese Locomotives.

Passengers : Over Eighty Times

Goods Transported : Over One Hundred Times.

Sea Ports : Cargoes Handled : About Twelve Times.

The above explains the smaller amount of Road “Infrastructure”

 

[karan.1970]

Enough of musings.. Lets get down to facts.. Not an economist or statistician by profession, I tend to refer to world specialists in these matters. World Economic forum is one such organization which is a consortium of business and economic leaders from all over the world. This research and Indices of this organization is used extensively by world bank in setting its policies and targets

One such Index is Global Competitiveness Index. It is defined as below
We define competitiveness as the set of institutions, policies, and factors that determine the level of productivity of a country. The level of productivity, in turn, sets the sustainable level of prosperity that can be earned by an economy. In other words, more-competitive economies tend to be able to produce higher levels of income for their citizens.The productivity level also determines the rates of return obtained by investments in an economy. Because the rates of return are the fundamental drivers of the growth rates of the economy, a more-competitive economy is one that is likely to grow faster in the medium to long run.

This index is derived using 12 key attributes or pillars namely

Basic Requirements
1st pillar: Institutions
2nd pillar: Infrastructure
3rd pillar: Macroeconomic stability
4th pillar: Health and primary education

Efficiency enhancers
5th pillar: Higher education and training
6th pillar: Goods market efficiency
7th pillar: Labor market efficiency
8th pillar: Financial market sophistication
9th pillar: Technological readiness
10th pillar: Market size

Innovation and sophistication factors
11th pillar: Business sophistication
12th pillar: Innovation

In the latest report 2009-2010, India is ranked 49/133 and Pakistan as 101/133 on GCI

There is not a single Pillar out of the 12 listed above where Pakistan outscores India.

On the Infrastructure(where this thread began), India is ranked 76 and Pakistan as 89
If you go into details, while Pakistan certainly has better roads, what does it for INdia in Infra is its railroad network, available seat Kms and electricity and telephone network where it clearly outscores pakistan


Attaching the link below... N'joy...
http://www.weforum.org/pdf/GCR09/GCR20092010fullreport.pdf




PS: Like all statistics, even these can be questioned, rubbished and cast aside, but given a choice, I would rather trust a world bank trusted international organization over a blog or experiences of some business travellers..



cheers

 

[Moorkh]

@riazhaq
a sincere request. please stop posting articles from your own blog.

 

[karan.1970]

And here are the rankings on each pillar of GCI in case someone does not want to go thru the document. Total number of countries included are 133

 

[RiazHaq]

There is absolutely no question that India has done a marvelous job of PR and brand management at international level, including Davos WEF. The result of this effort has swayed the world to see India as "stable, peaceful and prosperous" rather than the home of the largest number of illiterate, poor and hungry people, and home to more insurgencies than almost any other country in the world.

Here's a Wharton story from 2006:

"People passing through Zurich and other Swiss airports in the last week of January are likely to have heard somebody humming a Hindi song or draped in an Indian pashmina shawl. India seemed to be everywhere at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, where global political and business leaders congregate each year to ponder the fate of the world. By all accounts, discussions about India and China figured prominently at this year's forum, undoubtedly in view of these countries' growing role in the world economy.

In India's case, though, another factor also was at work. Determined not to be overshadowed by other countries or business agenda items, Indian business and government leaders spent some two years and more than $4 million putting together an elaborate marketing and PR campaign -- much as a multinational corporation might plan a major branding initiative -- to ensure that the "India story" got prominent play and did not get lost this year amid the chatter at Davos. For a country with aspirations of growing from a regional to a global economic power, the summit offered a platform to showcase its strengths and opportunities in front of the world business and political elite. Indeed, Mukesh Ambani, chairman and managing director of Reliance Industries -- India's largest private-sector conglomerate -- was co-chair of the Forum.

The core message of the "India Everywhere" campaign, as its organizers called it, was simple: It presented the country as an attractive destination for foreign investment, as an emerging manufacturing hub and as a credible partner for world business. In addition, it highlighted the Indian government's policy reforms and showcased the country's cultural diversity, with the overall goal of helping Davos participants gain a deeper understanding of Indian people and markets. "

Delhi in Davos: How India Built its Brand at the World Economic Forum - Knowledge@Wharton

Haq's Musings: Western Myths About "Peaceful, Stable, and Prosperous" India

Enough of musings.. Lets get down to facts.. Not an economist or statistician by profession, I tend to refer to world specialists in these matters. World Economic forum is one such organization which is a consortium of business and economic leaders from all over the world. This research and Indices of this organization is used extensively by world bank in setting its policies and targets

One such Index is Global Competitiveness Index. It is defined as below
We define competitiveness as the set of institutions, policies, and factors that determine the level of productivity of a country. The level of productivity, in turn, sets the sustainable level of prosperity that can be earned by an economy. In other words, more-competitive economies tend to be able to produce higher levels of income for their citizens.The productivity level also determines the rates of return obtained by investments in an economy. Because the rates of return are the fundamental drivers of the growth rates of the economy, a more-competitive economy is one that is likely to grow faster in the medium to long run.

This index is derived using 12 key attributes or pillars namely

Basic Requirements
1st pillar: Institutions
2nd pillar: Infrastructure
3rd pillar: Macroeconomic stability
4th pillar: Health and primary education

Efficiency enhancers
5th pillar: Higher education and training
6th pillar: Goods market efficiency
7th pillar: Labor market efficiency
8th pillar: Financial market sophistication
9th pillar: Technological readiness
10th pillar: Market size

Innovation and sophistication factors
11th pillar: Business sophistication
12th pillar: Innovation

In the latest report 2009-2010, India is ranked 49/133 and Pakistan as 101/133 on GCI

There is not a single Pillar out of the 12 listed above where Pakistan outscores India.

On the Infrastructure(where this thread began), India is ranked 76 and Pakistan as 89
If you go into details, while Pakistan certainly has better roads, what does it for INdia in Infra is its railroad network, available seat Kms and electricity and telephone network where it clearly outscores pakistan


Attaching the link below... N'joy...
http://www.weforum.org/pdf/GCR09/GCR20092010fullreport.pdf




PS: Like all statistics, even these can be questioned, rubbished and cast aside, but given a choice, I would rather trust a world bank trusted international organization over a blog or experiences of some business travellers..



cheers

 

[TechLahore]

Google the following-

Mumbai-Pune expressway,

Delhi-Jaipur NH-8,

Delhi-Chandigarh highway.

May be you will change your opinion. Ciao

Thank you for sharing this information. It doesn't change my opinion.

Mumbai-Pune is tiny in comparison, Delhi-Chandigarh is two lanes most of the way (Chandigarh-New Delhi Highway on Flickr - Photo Sharing!) and Delhi-Jaipur is considerably shorter. Moreover, from the web it appears there are still chokepoints on Delhi Jaipur, and just beyond Jaipur NH8 becomes a not very well maintained narrow road.

Please recognize that just M2 alone was completed in the 90s and has been pristinely maintained since then... not just the highway, but fences, rest-stops, phone booths every couple of miles, police helicopters, excellent motorway police infrastructure etc. And that was just the first one. That same model has been replicated throughout most of Pakistan. This is the kind of infrastructure the NHA has developed along our highways:

Faizabad interchange:

Islamabad-Peshawar highway exits:


Islamabad-Peshawar 6 lane highway M1:

Islamabad-Lahore 6 lane highway M2:

Hyderabad-Karachi 8/6 lane highway M9:

Sohrab Goth interchange M9:

7th ave in Islamabad:



The biggest "project" from a development standpoint in the sub continent, since partition, has been the construction of Islamabad. There is really no comparison between ISB and any other city in the entire subcontinent (incl BD). You just have to see pictures or visit once to know that...

 

[RPK]

Bangalore Elevated Tollway Ltd (BETL), opens for public tomorrow.

 

[RPK]

AIIMS(The place of Indian's brilliant doctor's)

express highway

 

[RPK]

Road Leading to Bangalore International Airport

 

[RPK]

More at

http://www.defence.pk/forums/genera...3-india-developing-but-still-long-way-go.html

 

[Jackdaws]

Interesting comparison - it makes me sad that both the countries are lagging behind the whole world.

I met Mr. Dalrymple a few days ago - he lives outside of Delhi. He is a bit pompous but well-meaning none the less. He genuinely cares about India. Anyway - it is unfair to quote a small part of his article - please read the full article from which you extracted one paragraph. I could do the same and this is what it also says -

"But in Pakistan the literacy figure is under half (it is currently 49%), and falling: instead of investing in education, Musharraf's military government is spending money on a cripplingly expensive fleet of American F-16s for its Air Force. As a result out of 162 million Pakistanis, 83 million adults of 15 years and above are illiterate. Among women the problem is worse still: 65% of all female adults are illiterate. As the population rockets, the problem gets worse."

Link - www.outlookindia.com | Will Pakistan Survive?

 

[karan.1970]

There is absolutely no question that India has done a marvelous job of PR and brand management at international level, including Davos WEF. The result of this effort has swayed the world to see India as "stable, peaceful and prosperous" rather than the home of the largest number of illiterate, poor and hungry people, and home to more insurgencies than almost any other country in the world.

Here's a Wharton story from 2006:

"People passing through Zurich and other Swiss airports in the last week of January are likely to have heard somebody humming a Hindi song or draped in an Indian pashmina shawl. India seemed to be everywhere at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, where global political and business leaders congregate each year to ponder the fate of the world. By all accounts, discussions about India and China figured prominently at this year's forum, undoubtedly in view of these countries' growing role in the world economy.

In India's case, though, another factor also was at work. Determined not to be overshadowed by other countries or business agenda items, Indian business and government leaders spent some two years and more than $4 million putting together an elaborate marketing and PR campaign -- much as a multinational corporation might plan a major branding initiative -- to ensure that the "India story" got prominent play and did not get lost this year amid the chatter at Davos. For a country with aspirations of growing from a regional to a global economic power, the summit offered a platform to showcase its strengths and opportunities in front of the world business and political elite. Indeed, Mukesh Ambani, chairman and managing director of Reliance Industries -- India's largest private-sector conglomerate -- was co-chair of the Forum.

The core message of the "India Everywhere" campaign, as its organizers called it, was simple: It presented the country as an attractive destination for foreign investment, as an emerging manufacturing hub and as a credible partner for world business. In addition, it highlighted the Indian government's policy reforms and showcased the country's cultural diversity, with the overall goal of helping Davos participants gain a deeper understanding of Indian people and markets. "

Delhi in Davos: How India Built its Brand at the World Economic Forum - Knowledge@Wharton

Haq's Musings: Western Myths About "Peaceful, Stable, and Prosperous" India

So.. what are you trying to say..?? That we fooled every one in the world except you??

and you are posting a 2006 news item about an event in 2006 to discredit a WEF research report dated of Sep 2009..

Sir.. Learn to accept when you are moving against the facts. If you would have bothered to read the report, you would have seen that it has nothing to with the DAVOS 2006 or any ad campaign. That was a convention where India was pitching for business and this is a research paper published by a renowned Organization using a team of professional researchers. I am sure that a writer of your stature understands the difference..

I would just want to sign off with

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