India & Pak would have stayed united but for Nehru: Dalai Lama

[jamahir]

Er.... no.

Millions of people don't kill each other unless they have serious bones to pick with one another.

The British policy of "Divide and rule" ensured the massacres during the Partition.

depends on Indian regime how long do they take to put all of them in mass graves
Laws like AFSPA were made to ensure ethnic cleansing

and they could have killed us all just like they are doing in Kashmir with complete impunity

I am in sympathy with the people of Kashmir but we must realize that Kashmir is more complicated than that. Kashmir is the grass that is getting crushed in the fight of two elephants.

To be fair, I am also in sympathy with the Hindu pandits who were driven out of Kashmir valley by armed militants and many of them live in wretched conditions.

Furthermore, many Muslim Kashmiris accept Indian administration by being part of the police force there, by being shopkeepers and hawkers of Kashmiri handicrafts and textiles in the rest of India, by being students in Indian colleges, by enabling the tourism sector in Kashmir, by being part of the Indian film and TV industries etc.

The issue called Kashmir is easily resolved when India and Pakistan reunite.

Jinnah was not egoistic...He was big proponent of Hindu Muslim unity until he saw real color of Congress

Read Jaswant Singh book

Nehru too was a proponent of Hindu-Muslim unity.

I think both their positions got hardened when the other refused to compromise their individual desire to become Prime Minister.

 

[Novice09]

Bakhts will get burn as why lama didn't mention Jinnah as responsible for partition....hahahah

In India, we are not even discussing on this topic... Partition is a past, we have a lot to do for our current generation...

Nehru and Congress is what psychobhakts rely on to blame for failures. In reality, Nehru and Congress built India from a damn poor country to an regional economic power. The school drop out RSS sakha Gundas ruling India cannot understand this.

Your argument is like... British were good, they gave Railways bla bla bla...

An economy which was supposed to run like a hare was lurking like a snail... Till 91, we were just surviving... my dad used to tell me how ration coupons were used to buy things in 70s and 80s...

In my opinion, the revival of India and It's economy started with PV Narsimha Rao G... carried forwards by Vajpayee G... and now Modi G is working to speed up the development of country...

Just imagine that even after 68 years of Independence, Modi government is working on:

1. Providing LPG connections
2. Electrification of Villages
3. Building toilets
4. Building houses

Mr. Shastri was the only PM before 91, who has "done something" for India without looting it...

 

[Dalai Lama]

I didn't say this.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The British policy of "Divide and rule" ensured the massacres during the Partition.





I am in sympathy with the people of Kashmir but we must realize that Kashmir is more complicated than that. Kashmir is the grass that is getting crushed in the fight of two elephants.

To be fair, I am also in sympathy with the Hindu pandits who were driven out of Kashmir valley by armed militants and many of them live in wretched conditions.

Furthermore, many Muslim Kashmiris accept Indian administration by being part of the police force there, by being shopkeepers and hawkers of Kashmiri handicrafts and textiles in the rest of India, by being students in Indian colleges, by enabling the tourism sector in Kashmir, by being part of the Indian film and TV industries etc.

The issue called Kashmir is easily resolved when India and Pakistan reunite.



Nehru too was a proponent of Hindu-Muslim unity.

I think both their positions got hardened when the other refused to compromise their individual desire to become Prime Minister.

...........when "india and Pakistan reunite"???????????????.................wtf!!!!!!.................................the reality is that there is MORE chance of Italy, Germany and Brazil becoming a part of Pakistan than of Pakistan and india forming a nation together.........lol.......

 

[Novice09]

I didn't say this.

Thank You for the clarification, we know how Indian media MAKE sensational stories...

 

[jamahir]

...........when "india and Pakistan reunite"???????????????.................wtf!!!!!!.................................the reality is that there is MORE chance of Italy, Germany and Brazil becoming a part of Pakistan than of Pakistan and india forming a nation together.........lol.......

Okay how about this :

India and Pakistan be governed by the same progressive political system ( direct democracy socialism ) while being two separate countries. With two militaries but working together. Sort of the republics in USSR.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Okay how about this :

India and Pakistan be governed by the same progressive political system ( direct democracy socialism ) while being two separate countries. With two militaries but working together. Sort of the republics in USSR.

Okay how about this :

India and Pakistan be governed by the same progressive political system ( direct democracy socialism ) while being two separate countries. With two militaries but working together. Sort of the republics in USSR.

Lol.......it's like asking Nazi Germany to form a country with israel....... .........absolutley ridiculous and preposterous........

The hatred and difference between the peoples of Pakistan and india is FAR TOO great for them to EVER be one nation. The reality is that it is FAR MORE possible for Pakistan to form a single nation with Germany, Italy and Brazil than it would be with india.

 

[Hamza913]

The British policy of "Divide and rule" ensured the massacres during the Partition.

Not quite. Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims don't exactly have a very amicable history, it's hardly the fault of the British. If anything, they should be praised for preventing large scale communal violence for most of their rule.

Gandhi was a peaceful man who would have never sought out violence,

He was also a racist with some pretty weird sexual tendencies to put it lightly.

The issue called Kashmir is easily resolved when India and Pakistan reunite.

For most of history we have been separate, let's keep it that way.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Not quite. Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims don't exactly have a very amicable history, it's hardly the fault of the British. If anything, they should be praised for preventing large scale communal violence for most of their rule.

How can you form a nation with a group of people that not only hate you with an abnormal passion but who are also completely different to you in terms of race, genetics, culture, religion, heritage etc?.......completely impossible. Ultimately it was THESE differences that lead to the creation of Pakistan, not because of Jinnah, ghandi, nehru etc.

 

[jamahir]

Lol.......it's like asking Nazi Germany to form a country with israel....... .........absolutley ridiculous and preposterous........

The second time, I didn't say a single nation but two republics governed independently by the same progressive political system/ideology. I mean like how it was in the Libyan Jamahiriya until 2011. And then both coming together under the SAARC umbrella.

Would you have objections to that??

Not quite. Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims don't exactly have a very amicable history, it's hardly the fault of the British. If anything, they should be praised for preventing large scale communal violence for most of their rule.

Some Hindu rulers had Muslim employees and Muslim rulers had Hindu employees. The violence was not entirely on religious terms.

The hate is not as completely enveloping as this forum would majorly like us to imagine.

Please watch this vid and this.

And read this.

The divisions can be undone.

Otherwise, when other people in the world are talking about settling on Mars, here we are in the Subcontinent continuing old hates.

Should we fight this silly fight for the next 70 years instead of bringing progressive change to our individual societies??

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The second time, I didn't say a single nation but two republics governed independently by the same progressive political system/ideology. I mean like how it was in the Libyan Jamahiriya until 2011. And then both coming together under the SAARC umbrella.

Would you have objections to that??



Some Hindu rulers had Muslim employees and Muslim rulers had Hindu employees. The violence was not entirely on religious terms.

The hate is not as completely enveloping as this forum would majorly like us to imagine.

Please watch this vid and this.

And read this.

The divisions can be undone.

Otherwise, when other people in the world are talking about settling on Mars, here we are in the Subcontinent continuing old hates.

Should we fight this silly fight for the next 70 years instead of bringing progressive change to our individual societies??

Would you expect the Israeli Jews to be ruled by Nazi Germans?
indians have a Nazi attitude towards Pakistanis & Muslims but they don't have the power to do anything about it. Why would we want to be ruled by a people whom have an obsessive hatred towards us and whom we have NOTHING in common with whatsoever? In all honesty, it's FAR more feasible for Pakistan to become a part of a European or South American entity than having any involvement with india. SAARC??????????????............saarc is a dead in the water, worthless, inferior and useless organization. It's more useless than the African Union....................

india is a completely different nation to us and has NOTHING to do with Pakistan whatsoever. The reality is that Pakistan's future and destiny are intertwinned with that of China and Turkey. They're the ONLY 2 nations that matter to us. india is irrelevant as far as Pakistan is concerned.

 

[Rusty]

The second time, I didn't say a single nation but two republics governed independently by the same progressive political system/ideology. I mean like how it was in the Libyan Jamahiriya until 2011. And then both coming together under the SAARC umbrella.


Would you have objections to that??



Some Hindu rulers had Muslim employees and Muslim rulers had Hindu employees. The violence was not entirely on religious terms.

The hate is not as completely enveloping as this forum would majorly like us to imagine.

Please watch this vid and this.

And read this.

The divisions can be undone.

Otherwise, when other people in the world are talking about settling on Mars, here we are in the Subcontinent continuing old hates.

Should we fight this silly fight for the next 70 years instead of bringing progressive change to our individual societies??

I appreciate and respect your sentiments, but you are too naive.

Just an hour ago I read a TOI reporting on a bus crash in Pakistan that killed many passengers and the highest ranked comment was "nothing important lost"

This is the level of hatred hindus have for us, it's truely Nazi levels .

Besides, if your dream came true, India would try and stop us from eating beef.... And then there would be another war with me being in the front lines

 

[jamahir]

Would you expect the Israeli Jews to be ruled by Nazi Germans?

I never called for India to rule Pakistan. I only said that the same political ideology to be in government in both places and that ideology is from neither place but from Libya.

Okay, I agree that direct democracy is what the Indian political movement, the AAP ( Aam aadmi party ), also promotes but AAP does not govern in the central government in India. The AAP is as foreign to the traditional Indian political system as it will be to Pakistan.

What I desire is that India and Pakistan be both governed by Direct Democracy Socialism, as I said before, which was what governed the Libyan Jamahiriya until 2011. You can search my posts using the keywords "basic people's committee" to get a good idea as to what Libya was.

Besides, weren't Faiz Ahmed Faiz and his socialist comrades arrested for trying to enact a coup in what became known as "The Rawalpindi Conspiracy"??

The reality is that Pakistan's future and destiny are intertwinned with that of China and Turkey. They're the ONLY 2 nations that matter to us. india is irrelevant as far as Pakistan is concerned.

Turkey?? You mean Erdogan's Turkey??

What will happen if a socialist government comes to power in Turkey??

I appreciate and respect your sentiments, but you are too naive.

Just an hour ago I read a TOI reporting on a bus crash in Pakistan that killed many passengers and the highest ranked comment was "nothing important lost"

This is the level of hatred hindus have for us, it's truely Nazi levels .

Firstly, my commiserations for the people killed and those injured.

Well, it was an Indian progressive, Arundhati Roy, who named such trolls as "The Internet Hindu".

But that does not translate to hate filling every Hindu heart. I myself never was discriminated for being Muslim. But I suppose I never encountered situations like how Shabana Azmi faced in trying to find accommodation in Bombay and finding it difficult by being Muslim.

Besides, if your dream came true, India would try and stop us from eating beef.... And then there would be another war with me being in the front lines

There need not be any violence if technological advancement progresses in the field of artificial meat.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I never called for India to rule Pakistan. I only said that the same political ideology to be in government in both places and that ideology is from neither place but from Libya.

Okay, I agree that direct democracy is what the Indian political movement, the AAP ( Aam aadmi party ), also promotes but AAP does not govern in the central government in India. The AAP is as foreign to the traditional Indian political system as it will be to Pakistan.

What I desire is that India and Pakistan be both governed by Direct Democracy Socialism, as I said before, which was what governed the Libyan Jamahiriya until 2011. You can search my posts using the keywords "basic people's committee" to get a good idea as to what Libya was.

Besides, weren't Faiz Ahmed Faiz and his socialist comrades arrested for trying to enact a coup in what became known as "The Rawalpindi Conspiracy"??



Turkey?? You mean Erdogan's Turkey??

What will happen if a socialist government comes to power in Turkey??



Firstly, my commiserations for the people killed and those injured.

Well, it was an Indian progressive, Arundhati Roy, who named such trolls as "The Internet Hindu".

But that does not translate to hate filling every Hindu heart. I myself never was discriminated for being Muslim. But I suppose I never encountered situations like how Shabana Azmi faced in trying to find accommodation in Bombay and finding it difficult by being Muslim.



There need not be any violence if technological advancement progresses in the field of artificial meat.

As an indian, what has Pakistan got to do with you and your kind? india and indians are the enemies of the Pakistani people and nation. Why do you concern yourself with our political affairs?

 

[jamahir]

Why do you concern yourself with our political affairs?

Can you please answer my below question??

Turkey?? You mean Erdogan's Turkey??

What will happen if a socialist government comes to power in Turkey??