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India overtakes China as world's top SO2 emitter
Xinhua, November 10, 2017

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Vehicles pass through smog a day after Diwali festival near India Gate in New Delhi, capital of India, on Oct. 20, 2017. [Photo/Xinhua]

India is overtaking China as the world's largest emitter of human-caused sulphur dioxide (SO2), a toxic air pollutant that causes haze and acid rain, a new study based on satellite data showed Thursday.

Emissions in China have declined by 75 percent since 2007 while those in India have increased by 50 percent, according to the study published in the latest edition of journal Scientific Reports.

Opposite trajectories

"The rapid decrease of SO2 emissions in China far exceeds our expectations and projections," first author Can Li, an associate research scientist at the University of Maryland, told Xinhua.

Li and colleagues examined data from the U.S. space agency NASA's Aura spacecraft to study SO2 pollution changes in China and India from 2005 to 2016, with results verified by aircraft measurements.

The emissions from China, it showed, peaked at about 37 megatons in 2007, and have since been on a generally decreasing trajectory.

At 8.4 megatons in 2016, the level was just 26 percent of that in 2005, the study said.

Previously published studies, which relied on inventory data and published policies, projected that China's sulfur dioxide emissions would not fall to current levels until 2030 at the earliest.

The estimated emissions for India, on the other hand, indicated relatively steady growth during the same period.

For 2016, the emissions from India were at about 11 megatons.

"This could be the first time in almost 20 years that a country is surpassing China in SO2 emissions," said Li, who is also a research associate at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

China's effective pollution controls

China and India are the world's top consumers of coal, which typically contains up to three percent sulfur.

Most of the two countries' sulfur dioxide emissions come from coal-fired power plants and coal-burning factories.

In particular, Beijing suffers from severe haze problems because of the many coal-burning factories and power plants located nearby and upwind.

Starting in the early 2000s, China began implementing policies such as fining polluters, setting emission reduction goals and lowering emissions limits.

According to the results of the current study, these efforts are paying off, though coal usage in the country increased by about 50 percent and electricity generation grew over 100 percent during the study period.

"The rate of the SO2 emission reduction in China is staggering, demonstrating how effective China's pollution control measures are," said Li.

By contrast, the emissions from India, which has yet to implement emission controls like China, increased by 50 percent over the past decade.

"Right now, India's increased sulfur dioxide emissions are not causing as many haze problems as they do in China because the largest emission sources are not in the most densely populated area of India," Li said. "However, as demand for electricity grows in India, the impact may worsen."

More efforts needed

Despite the large drop in SO2 emissions, haze remains a severe environmental issue in China.

"The persistent haze events in China indicate that other species, in addition to SO2, need to be controlled," Renyi Zhang, an atmospheric science professor at Texas A&M University, who was not involved in the study, told Xinhua.

"Those compounds include volatile organic compounds (VOCs), nitrogen oxides (NOx), and ammonia (NH3), which have been demonstrated to contribute importantly to the major constituents in (forming haze)," said Zhang.

Since VOCs and NOx have major sources in traffic, while ammonia is mainly from agricultural activities, Zhang said "the traffic and agricultural emissions would need to be focused on in China."

Another expert, Qiang Zhang, a professor of atmospheric sciences at Tsinghua University in Beijing, called the study "very significant."

"The ultimate goal of air quality improvement would be reached as the result of coordinated multi-pollutant emission reductions," Zhang said.

"In the future, we should pay more attention to NOx and VOCs emission reductions while effective SO2 control should be continued."

http://china.org.cn/world/2017-11/10/content_41872036.htm

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Is it because India has now been experiencing massive, speedy, mass industrialization?
 
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Wow, India is always opposite of China, our pollution decreases, their increases.

I think the difference lies in the differences in governance. Planning, execution, oversight and evolution are either lacking or incomplete in India. Hence, it is a much less governable, including pollution.

In China, due to the effectiveness and efficiency of the state and the governments, the plans are more or less executed and often over-delivered (with certain adjustments, innovations, and shortcoming along the way, for sure).

Anyways, I think the second category India may beat China will be population. It may, however, come later than expected as China's birthrate is growing after the new policy.
 
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I think the difference lies in the differences in governance. Planning, execution, oversight and evolution are either lacking or incomplete in India. Hence, it is a much less governable, including pollution.

In China, due to the effectiveness and efficiency of the state and the governments, the plans are more or less executed and often over-delivered (with certain adjustments, innovations, and shortcoming along the way, for sure).

Anyways, I think the second category India may beat China will be population. It may, however, come later than expected as China's birthrate is growing after the new policy.

In short, they have a dysfunctional government, and the populace don't really care.
 
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Credit where credit is due. China has done an incredible job in many areas, and pollution abatement is one of them. Not only this, I am a chemical engineer, and I know that the entry of Chinese companies in flue gas abatement has actually brought down the cost of such equipment for everyone, which is another big plus!

Just one request @TaiShang Please do include the original research papers when you cite any such work. The researchers do a LOT of hard work for publishing that paper, and there work must be referenced whenever their work is being cited.

So here is the original paper, published on 9th November, in Scientific Reports:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14639-8
 
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The ultra-low efficiency of India's power sector makes India really suffers!!!

There are two important indicators to evaluate the efficiency of a power supply/transmission network. One is "how much coal required to produce one kwh electricity", another is "% of electricity loss in transmission".


For the first indicator, India's power sector consumes 545.9 million ton coal last year, and generates 895,340 Gwh electricity, i.e. 610g/kwh;

For the 2nd indicator, power loss %, it is a horrible 21.81%; i.e. 1/5 of the electricity is wasted!!
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The corresponding China figure is:
- 311gram coal per kwh (the yellow row); i.e. for the same quantify of coal, India could produce 1 unit of power, but China could produce 2 units of power.
- 6.4% loss rate (the blue row)
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Coal consumption rates comparison between China's most-efficient coal power plants vs. US's most efficient coal power plants
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The ultra-low efficiency of India's power sector makes India really suffers!!!

There are two important indicators to evaluate the efficiency of a power supply/transmission network. One is "how much coal required to produce one kwh electricity", another is "% of electricity loss in transmission".


For the first indicator, India's power sector consumes 545.9 million ton coal last year, and generates 895,340 Gwh electricity, i.e. 610g/kwh;

For the 2nd indicator, power loss %, it is a horrible 21.81%; i.e. 1/5 of the electricity is wasted!!
View attachment 436019


The corresponding China figure is:
- 311gram coal per kwh (the yellow row); i.e. for the same quantify of coal, India could produce 1 unit of power, but China could produce 2 units of power.
- 6.4% loss rate (the blue row)
View attachment 436020

Coal consumption rates comparison between China's most-efficient coal power plants vs. US's most efficient coal power plants
View attachment 436022

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I appreciate your input but this has only marginally to do with sulfur dioxide levels. For example, US emissions of SO2 are also very low.

It has got everything to do with flue gas standards and their implementation. Modern pollution abatement equipment can remove upto 99.5% SO2 from flue gases easily and if you push it, they can go all the way upto removing 99.8% if SO2.

So for SO2 emissions, this stuff doesn't matter since we can easily remove most of the sulfur from flue gases. It will matter more in CO2 emissions.
 
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The ultra-low efficiency of India's power sector makes India really suffers!!!

There are two important indicators to evaluate the efficiency of a power supply/transmission network. One is "how much coal required to produce one kwh electricity", another is "% of electricity loss in transmission".


For the first indicator, India's power sector consumes 545.9 million ton coal last year, and generates 895,340 Gwh electricity, i.e. 610g/kwh;

For the 2nd indicator, power loss %, it is a horrible 21.81%; i.e. 1/5 of the electricity is wasted!!
View attachment 436019


The corresponding China figure is:
- 311gram coal per kwh (the yellow row); i.e. for the same quantify of coal, India could produce 1 unit of power, but China could produce 2 units of power.
- 6.4% loss rate (the blue row)
View attachment 436020

Coal consumption rates comparison between China's most-efficient coal power plants vs. US's most efficient coal power plants
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So China's best is better than the best of USA, but how they are compared to the best of the world?
 
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21.81%; i.e. 1/5 of the electricity is wasted!!

Also this electricity is not really wasted. What happens is that people living in slums and illegal houses often just directly connect to electric lines running near then without meter. So the electricity appears to have been lost but a part of it was actually illegally pilfered by people.

So China's best is better than the best of USA, but how they are compared to the best of the world?

They are comparable to the best of the world.

What you must ask is that what is the overall efficiency of coal plants in China.

There it will be behind Korea and Japan.
 
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Also this electricity is not really wasted. What happens is that people living in slums and illegal houses often just directly connect to electric lines running near then without meter. So the electricity appears to have been lost but a part of it was actually illegally pilfered by people.

I don't think that part is that large. Most of it is transmission loss due to outdated gear.
 
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Also this electricity is not really wasted. What happens is that people living in slums and illegal houses often just directly connect to electric lines running near then without meter. So the electricity appears to have been lost but a part of it was actually illegally pilfered by people.



They are comparable to the best of the world.

What you must ask is that what is the overall efficiency of coal plants in China.

There it will be behind Korea and Japan.

Do you have the data for SK and JP, or you are just guessing?
 
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It is said by a chinese. However let us consider it 100% true. He says that India is overtaking china and not that india has already overtaken china. Now chines cheer leaders dance with joy and whilke they do this, they forget that they are main co2 emitting country of the world which is main source of green house effect. China is numbers of time ahead of india with more than 5 time emission of India.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

2) The most important thing here is that inspite of reducing 75% of so2 emission now china is at par with India. This means that china had 4 time more SO2 emission than peak emission of India has right now. Now instead of being ashamed, chinese are cheering here.
 
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It is said by a chinese. However let us consider it 100% true. He says that India is overtaking china and not that india has already overtaken china. Now chines cheer leaders dance with joy and whilke they do this, they forget that they are main co2 emitting country of the world which is main source of green house effect. China is numbers of time ahead of india with more than 5 time emission of India.

330px-Co2-2013-top40.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

2) The most important thing here is that inspite of reducing 75% of so2 emission now china is at par with India. This means that china had 4 time more SO2 emission than peak emission of India has right now. Now instead of being ashamed, chinese are cheering here.


You are, again, intentionally trying to make Indians look bad. We are talking about the progress made by China, which has reduced its SO2 emissions while India's emissions have continued to grow despite the fact that its energy consumption and production is much less than that of China and, needless to say, its industry is a midget in comparison to China's industrial production.

Of course, cumulatively, China might have contributed more to global SO2. In that regard, early industrialized nations such as US and the UK, also, contributed more (than China).
 
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