India orders, 10,000 Excalibur Artillery guided shells along with 100 M777s and various other Manpad

[fallstuff]

Why did we even give them the chance, we should end all ties with Indians? It is clear they don't respect diplomatic norms.

I like to think Imran Khan is bit more smarter than chaiwala. It was a brilliant move by IK to release the Indian Pilot after his capture without much drama. My 2 cents are that you want to keep channels open for dialogue for the sake of diplomacy. Having said that Modi is obnoxious enough to call for complete closure of respective High Commissions if another one of his stunts fails spectacularly. I now understand why Congress calls him "Feku", Modi is just full of ****. He is just a conman always selling big ideas

This is from The Hindu,

"Behind Modi’s “think big” syndrome is an effort to create a situation where politics ceases to be measured by political criteria and people’s concerns. The bullet train and Statue of Unity are not the only examples of this effort. The promises made by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government under Modi’s leadership day in and day out also belong to this category. Consider the following. Modi and other leaders of the BJP had repeatedly promised, through the 2014 Lok Sabha election campaign and even after the formation of the government, that the farmers’ income across the country would be doubled by 2022. Three years into that promise, both Modi and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley have asked farmers to look elsewhere. While Jaitley said it was for State governments to initiate measures to double the farmers’ income, Modi has exhorted cooperative societies to come up with their own facilitation."

https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/style-over-substance/article9873696.ece#!

I expect Modi to pull another foolish stunt trying to redeem his image.

 

[TNT]

Any idea about the price of a single huided shell? If an artillery shell becomes too expensive, then the whole purpose of it is lost.

 

[Han Patriot]

Buying under emergency protocol escapes financial scrutiny, also escapes Bidding system from 3 different vendors. So, its anyone's guess.

Opportunities arise during crisis. Some fat cats lining up their pockets in the name of national security.

Heard of top-ups?

Top ups? You haven't even use it in a real war and all of sudden you need top ups? What about the Sukhoi and migs? Top ups too? That's panic buying mate. Why now and not earlier or later but Now? Duhhh

 

[Joe Shearer]

Opportunities arise during crisis. Some fat cats lining up their pockets in the name of national security.


Top ups? You haven't even use it in a real war and all of sudden you need top ups? What about the Sukhoi and migs? Top ups too? That's panic buying mate. Why now and not earlier or later but Now? Duhhh

Why bother to post when you know it all? Whom are you impressing?

 

[Han Patriot]

Why bother to post when you know it all? Whom are you impressing?

I post because I know it. If I don't know I don't post, I would ask a question right. Lolo

I like to think Imran Khan is bit more smarter than chaiwala. It was a brilliant move by IK to release the Indian Pilot after his capture without much drama. My 2 cents are that you want to keep channels open for dialogue for the sake of diplomacy. Having said that Modi is obnoxious enough to call for complete closure of respective High Commissions if another one of his stunts fails spectacularly. I now understand why Congress calls him "Feku", Modi is just full of ****. He is just a conman always selling big ideas

This is from The Hindu,

"Behind Modi’s “think big” syndrome is an effort to create a situation where politics ceases to be measured by political criteria and people’s concerns. The bullet train and Statue of Unity are not the only examples of this effort. The promises made by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government under Modi’s leadership day in and day out also belong to this category. Consider the following. Modi and other leaders of the BJP had repeatedly promised, through the 2014 Lok Sabha election campaign and even after the formation of the government, that the farmers’ income across the country would be doubled by 2022. Three years into that promise, both Modi and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley have asked farmers to look elsewhere. While Jaitley said it was for State governments to initiate measures to double the farmers’ income, Modi has exhorted cooperative societies to come up with their own facilitation."

https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/style-over-substance/article9873696.ece#!

I expect Modi to pull another foolish stunt trying to redeem his image.

This guy is not so smart but an ego maniac. He might be aggressive but his actions seems stupid, demonetization, sudden gst, almost like a brown Trump in my opinion. They should tear down that made in China statue. Hsr is like dead now..... Lol

 

[BHarwana]

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Indian Army to order Excalibur Ammunition capable of targeting 50 km distance between tensions on LAC

In the wake of increasing tension along the border with China, the government has given emergency financial powers to the three army members for purchase of arms and ammunition for up to Rs 500 crore per purchase project.

The Indian Army is going to give this order at a time when China has deployed its artillery close to the Line of Actual Control along East Ladakh.

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new Delhi. Order for Excalibur Artillery Ammunition capable of aiming at 50 km to achieve greater excellence, after the armed forces have received permission from the government for emergency procurement to overcome the shortage of critical equipment. Is planning to give. Excalibur ammunition was inducted into the military to target enemy positions close to populated areas in the western sector, under emergency financial powers granted last year. Defense sources have been quoted by ANI as having now again given financial powers to the armed forces and plans to re-order the Excalibur Ammunition to be used by the Ultra Light Howitzer, which can be easily towed over high mountains Can be deployed.

Following last year's orders, the Army started receiving Excalibur ammunition from the US by October, which were able to hit pin points accurately. This order is being given at a time when China (China) has stationed its artillery close to the Line of Actual Control with Eastern Ladakh. Let us tell you that the Excalibur Ammunition was developed by the US to be a very precise target during the war in Afghanistan. The Central Government has given the Deputy Chiefs of the three services financial powers up to Rs 500 crore per project to acquire the weapon systems required under fast track procedures to rectify deficiencies and requirements.

read this also :- Army Chief MM Narwane, who arrived in Ladakh, met the injured jawans in the hospital after the Uri attack and Balakot Airstrike, these powers along with Chinese aggression and the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh as well as a large number of its troops there After deploying, the need was felt by the government to give this power back to the army. After the Uri attack and the Balakot air strikes against Pakistan, the armed forces were given similar financial powers. India will get this help by getting financial power










Significantly, in the wake of increasing tension on the border with China, the government has given emergency financial powers to the three army members for purchase of up to Rs 500 crore per purchase project to purchase arms and ammunition. The Army, Air Force and Navy come in all the three parts of the army. Sources said that special financial powers have been given to the forces to purchase weapons and military equipment in a very short time to increase their operations preparations along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Sources said that the government has also reduced the delay in military procurement by giving special discounts like purchasing essential weapons and equipment from the same vendor.

Significantly, on June 15, 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a violent clash with Chinese soldiers in the Galwan Valley of Eastern Ladakh. This has increased the tension between the two countries. (Including language input)

https://hindi.news18.com/news/natio...calibur-ammunition-for-howitzers-3159127.html

This is a waste for India to make such purchases in this conflict, Excalibur Artillery Ammunition can't benefit India in this conflict.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I post because I know it. If I don't know I don't post, I would ask a question right. Lolo

Fair enough, Lolo.

How long does it take to fire 600 rounds? What was the intention of buying this initial token amount? How many would be used in trials and practice? Would the remainder of that amount, 600 rounds, constitute the entire supplement for all future time to come? Would that constitute the inventory for a war situation? How many days of battle would these 600 rounds cover? What should be used after these were exhausted?

A loud noise is not a wise sound.

A personal request: DO NOT address me again. Your stupidity and unfounded self-confidence irritates me to the extent where you constitute a health hazard for me. You may report me for personal insult with perfect accuracy.

This guy is not so smart but an ego maniac. He might be aggressive but his actions seems stupid, demonetization, sudden gst, almost like a brown Trump in my opinion. They should tear down that made in China statue. Hsr is like dead now..... Lol

This is a waste for India to make such purchases in this conflict, Excalibur Artillery Ammunition can't benefit India in this conflict.

Long range high precision artillery ammunition will not be useful in an open battle? Really? How did you come to that brilliant conclusion?

 

[Han Patriot]

Fair enough, Lolo.

How long does it take to fire 600 rounds? What was the intention of buying this initial token amount? How many would be used in trials and practice? Would the remainder of that amount, 600 rounds, constitute the entire supplement for all future time to come? Would that constitute the inventory for a war situation? How many days of battle would these 600 rounds cover? What should be used after these were exhausted?

A loud noise is not a wise sound.

A personal request: DO NOT address me again. Your stupidity and unfounded self-confidence irritates me to the extent where you constitute a health hazard for me. You may report me for personal insult with perfect accuracy.






Long range high precision artillery ammunition will not be useful in an open battle? Really? How did you come to that brilliant conclusion?

True, so for the migs and Sukhoi, it also depends on how fast Indian planes crash right? Hahahahhah

The question is why Now? If that's not panic buying then what is?

 

[BHarwana]

Long range high precision artillery ammunition will not be useful in an open battle? Really? How did you come to that brilliant conclusion?

I came to that conclusion cause the there is a difference between yours & mine thinking. You require artillery at places where you are holding lines. The situation at LAC is much different from the situation at LOC. China is not going to play the game of you shoot & I shoot with India where as in your mind set you think they will do that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

True, so for the migs and Sukhoi, it also depends on how fast Indian planes crash right? Hahahahhah

Because, again, there are supplements needed for the Navy, the MiG 29s, and these have been planned earlier; these are not in response to the present situation. The Sukhois are to make up for the lower availability percentages that have been experienced, and the Air Force feeling that they would like a certain number of sorties in active conditions.

Try to think instead of making extremely mindless remarks.

The question is why Now? If that's not panic buying then what is?

It is preparation for a conflict that is foreseen and may take place in the near future.

I came to that conclusion cause the there is a difference between yours & mine thinking. You require artillery at places where you are holding lines. The situation at LAC is much different from the situation at LOC. China is not going to play the game of you shoot & I shoot with India where as in your mind set you think they will do that.

That is your mistake. Artillery is not a static factor. It is a dynamic factor. You are certainly right in concluding that there is a difference between your thinking and mine, and I am very grateful that it is so.

 

[Han Patriot]

Because, again, there are supplements needed for the Navy, the MiG 29s, and these have been planned earlier; these are not in response to the present situation. The Sukhois are to make up for the lower availability percentages that have been experienced, and the Air Force feeling that they would like a certain number of sorties in active conditions.

Try to think instead of making extremely mindless remarks.



It is preparation for a conflict that is foreseen and may take place in the near future.



That is your mistake. Artillery is not a static factor. It is a dynamic factor. You are certainly right in concluding that there is a difference between your thinking and mine, and I am very grateful that it is so.

Ahhh okay, why don't you prepare earlier or later but Now in the middle of crisis? Please stop explaining, you sound desperate now. Lolol

 

[BHarwana]

That is your mistake. Artillery is not a static factor. It is a dynamic factor. You are certainly right in concluding that there is a difference between your thinking and mine, and I am very grateful that it is so.

The issue is you are thinking that China will treat India as an equal power & fight a conventional war. Where as China will do different tactics & focus on Indian military weaknesses, which are multiple for China to exploit.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ahhh okay, why don't you prepare earlier or later but Now in the middle of crisis? Please stop explaining, you sound desperate now. Lolol

Because we anticipate conflict, Mr. Lolol.

The issue is you are thinking that China will treat India as an equal power & fight a conventional war. Where as China will do different tactics & focus on Indian military weaknesses, which are multiple for China to exploit.

The issue is about artillery, not about a Field Marshal's view of the situation.

I hope you are beginning to see why I am so glad that our thinking differs.

 

[Han Patriot]

Because we anticipate conflict, Mr. Lolol.



The issue is about artillery, not about a Field Marshal's view of the situation.

I hope you are beginning to see why I am so glad that our thinking differs.

You mean you haven't anticipated before this? Lol. That's shows how ill prepared you are mate, last minute panic buying ain't helping if delivery is 1 year from now. Lol

 

[BHarwana]

The issue is about artillery, not about a Field Marshal's view of the situation.

I hope you are beginning to see why I am so glad that our thinking differs.

Your issue is you want to degrade me in the argument rather than the discussion on the topic. You quoted my first post here where I said this purchase is useless, now moving to that issue this purchase is still useless. In war the comparison is never artillery versus artillery but it is what you have versus what your enemy has. Keeping the dynamics to things closely related how will this purchase counter Chinese 370mm MRLS which is also a guided system with far higher range. That will takeout your Indian artillery with a huge stand off range. plus China has a successful armed UAV program where as India is still trying to acquire it those drones will pick your artillery one by one. So India mentality of war is stuck in past where as China will do a modern warfare with India.