India offers Pakistan 5,000MW electricity

[indian_jigar]

I don't think he just asked one group specifically such as 'Indians' as the only option. He voiced his concerns generally worldwide that brought many offers on the table. There is a reason why the U.S, China, Russia, UAE, South Korea, and Japan too are willing to help...

As far as Najam Sethi is concerned, he is not like your tendulkar or like our god. I am not denying that Pakistan from birth has lived on rent. However, for Pakistan, rent from India is always a danger. Sorry but i don't trust you guys... I would be willing to take water instead as a citizen... People are living without electricity and can continue to do so forever.

Yeah USA and Japan are going to send you electricity from 5000+ km away

Only countries that can provide electricity are ones that are at most a few 100 km from the city. Iran and Afghanistan can probably provide electricity to Balochistan and NWFP/FATA, but for cities like Lahore, India is your only choice.

As far as your last sentence, easy for you to say when you are not suffering there with these people.

That being said, I am against electricity transfer as well like you since India needs electricity itself to meet its shortages.

 

[Edevelop]

First of all it is Pakistan's request! And after the request is made, Offer is made!

You can rant all day about India stealing waters! But your own foreign minister had accepted Pakistan had poor water management! Water is a scarce resource, Use it wisely and don't blame others for your short comings.

If you doubt India steals water, Do the analysis as how much water you receive at the border against the agreement. Just building run of the water Dams does not mean India steals waters.

B.S.
There is no poor water management. You built those fricken dams in J&K illegally. You know very well where Pakistan would require water from. Our dams, one of them, currently the worlds 2nd largest in the world, the 'Tarbela Dam' is dried up.
Yes of course we do have water underground but that is not enough. You need rain and monsoon for that. Sorry but you can't blame Pakistanis for keeping nature's water cycle going.

Ministers can say whatever they want. In Pakistan especially, they don't create any thing substantial. They give out lame excuses to protect themselves.

 

[indian_jigar]

Pakistan should happily reject this offer. Sorry but we don't want to depend all our life on rent.

What is strange here is the fact that Indians themselves don't have electricity, and their offer of 5000 MW sounds like a catch to further weaken us. Since when did Indians become so nice? If they really are, then why don't they give us water instead that have blocked illegally? The basic need in life is water, and not electricity.

Those of you who know their Physics should know that water itself eventually can be used to produced electricity by adding turbines...

You should listen less to Zaid Hamid and more to your Water Ministry of Pakistan. They have admitted poor water management themselves.

B.S.
There is no poor water management. You built those fricken dams in J&K illegally. You know very well where Pakistan would require water from. Our dams, one of them, currently the worlds 2nd largest in the world, the 'Tarbela Dam' is dried up.
Yes of course we do have water underground but that is not enough. You need rain and monsoon for that. Sorry but you can't blame Pakistanis for keeping nature's water cycle going.

Ministers can say whatever they want. In Pakistan especially, they don't create any thing substantial. They give out lame excuses to protect themselves.

Too blinded by hatred that logic has left you. Last thing water minister would do if he was trying to protect himself is admit that his ministry is responsible for mismanaging water. He would blame India if he was trying to protect his job. Do you even think before you type ?

 

[Edevelop]

Yeah USA and Japan are going to send you electricity from 5000+ km away

Only countries that can provide electricity are ones that are at most a few 100 km from the city. Iran and Afghanistan can probably provide electricity to Balochistan and NWFP/FATA, but for cities like Lahore, India is your only choice.

As far as your last sentence, easy for you to say when you are not suffering there with these people.

That being said, I am against electricity transfer as well like you since India needs electricity itself to meet its shortages.

Wow how lame can you get. They offered to setup finances to setup projects in the country...
Electricity seriously from Afghanistan? You got to be kidding me... i don't need to argue with you.
First bring your own people to normal standards then talk about exporting...

 

[SpArK]

Power crisis? Winds in favour of India


India has vast wind energy potential than that has been estimated earlier and has the capability to be the world leader in this sector, according to three young Indian scientists based in the elite Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, USA.

The findings by Amol Phadke, Ranjit Bharvirkar and Jagmmet Khangura published in the latest edition of the International Energy Studies can have major implications for the Indian power sector.

“India’s total wind energy potential ranges from 2,006,000MW to 3,121,000MW,” said the paper authored by Phadke and team. The study was done with inputs collected from institutions like Chennai-based Centre for Wind Energy Technology (CWET). They have also found that power from wind farms could be made available to the consumers at the rate of Rs4.50 per unit.

“We have found that the southern peninsular India alone has the potential to generate 1,00,000MW wind energy. The Berkeley team had collected a lot of data from us with which they conducted the study,” Dr S Gomathynayagam, executive director, CWET, told DNA.

As on date, India’s installed capacity to generate wind energy is a mere 13,000MW with Tamil Nadu accounting for 6,500MW.


The study by Phadke and team could be a big game changer in India’s renewable energy industry. They found that their estimates are 20 to 30 times more than that of the current wind energy potential of India. Their study says that 95% of India’s wind energy potential is concentrated in Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Maharashtra and Gujarat.

What makes the study interesting is that for harnessing the 2,006 to 3,000GW wind energy, India need use only 1629sqkm or 0.05% of its total land area. And Phadke and his colleagues found that there is no need to trespass into forest lands, reserved lands, farm lands, water bodies, urban or protected areas to set up wind turbines.

“The wind farms could be set up within 3% of the 1629sqkm land and the remaining part could be used for other purposes,” said the research paper.

Reassessments in countries like the US and China have found much higher wind energy potential due to better technology, hub heights and size of the wind turbines. According to CWET which prepared the Indian Wind Atlas 2010, only 2% of the windy-land has been used to set up wind farms.

Power crisis? Winds in favour of India - India - DNA


With lack of huge kickbacks, the political class wont take the opportunity for becoming energy self sufficient.

 

[Abhishek_]

B.S.
There is no poor water management. You built those fricken dams in J&K illegally. You know very well where Pakistan would require water from. Our dams, one of them, currently the worlds 2nd largest in the world, the 'Tarbela Dam' is dried up.
Yes of course we do have water underground but that is not enough. You need rain and monsoon for that. Sorry but you can't blame Pakistanis for keeping nature's water cycle going.

Ministers can say whatever they want. In Pakistan especially, they don't create any thing substantial. They give out lame excuses to protect themselves.

the dams are run-of-the-mill which are allowed under the indus water treaty. there is no diversion at all.
and fyi, pakistan took the case to the international arbitration court, only to be dismissed without any radical changes to our dams. what does that tell you?? (please don't say ICA is an Indian poodle and is out to destroy PK)

PTV has done some credible and balanced discussions on this topic, you should watch those for a better understanding of the matter. zaid hamid and hafeez saeed aren't exactly subject matter experts regarding Indus Water Treaty

 

[Rocky25]

I don't think he just asked one group specifically such as 'Indians' as the only option. He voiced his concerns generally worldwide that brought many offers on the table. There is a reason why the U.S, China, Russia, UAE, South Korea, and Japan too are willing to help...

As far as Najam Sethi is concerned, he is not like your tendulkar or like our god. I am not denying that Pakistan from birth has lived on rent. However, for Pakistan, rent from India is always a danger. Aren't you guys trying to break Baluchistan, Pashtuns? why all of a sudden so nice now? Sorry but i don't trust you guys... You will definitely weaken us further. I would be willing to take water instead as a citizen... People are living without electricity and can continue to do so forever.

On the record it is Pakistan's PM who told that Pakistan wants to import electricity from India.

Pakistan wants to import electricity from India : Pakistan News - India Today

If you wish, Take it else leave it! None one here is begging you to take the offer!

You are they guys who are always trying to send terrorists in India and kill unarmed civilians and try to break Kashmir and create unrest and brainwash people.

You trust or don't trust... it is your choice! If India and Pakistan was able to increase the bilateral trade to 100 billions and other issues will fall in place and peace will have its chance!

 

[kingkobra]

no indian state is in power surplus....

Gujarat has a power surplus of about 4000 MW.

Nope!

Power surplus Gujarat levies highest electricity duty

It is possible that your north western areas have a surplus and spreading this to Pakistan is cheaper than spreading it to South and East.

They are better off making new power plants on those areas.

If India asks for free transit - we get free 5000MW plus gas? Workable deal, assurances would be required primarily.

Some amount of money by both parties should be kept in escrow. Violator forfeits all the money to the violated.

you guys are right...Gujrat has huge power surplus and many more power plants are planned or under construction in gujrat...we can not use this power in south India and the wisest thing to do would be to supply it to pakistan...

south Indian people should start working on their power plants rather than complaining..

 

[Edevelop]

You should listen less to Zaid Hamid and more to your Water Ministry of Pakistan. They have admitted poor water management themselves.



Too blinded by hatred that logic has left you. Last thing water minister would do if he was trying to protect himself is admit that his ministry is responsible for mismanaging water. He would blame India if he was trying to protect his job. Do you even think before you type ?

Yeah i can see you don't know much about Pakistani politics. You should better not talk if you don't know anything.

I'll briefly explain. In Pakistan, politicians always blame past governments. Next, they will say that time was too short to achieve goals. This is how they protect themselves.

Just today Nawaz Sharrif criticized Musharraf for creating Pakistan's mess. I mean wtf, that guy is away from the country from the past 4 years now.

Now as far as electricity is concerned, we do have electricity. I still remember that we used to loose 1 hour at most in Punjab in the 90s. however, now its been going for the more than half a day. Clearly, 90s electricity power cannot be more than in current era. Hence, it is evident that governments have become more and more corrupt and they are not paying bills to WAPDA.

 

[Abhishek_]

Yeah i can see you don't know much about Pakistani politics. You should better not talk if you don't know anything.
I'll briefly explain. In Pakistan, politicians always blame past governments. Next, they will say that time was too short to achieve goals. This is how they protect themselves.
Just today Nawaz Sharrif criticized Musharraf for creating Pakistan's mess. I mean wtf, that guy is away from the country from the past 4 years now.
Now as far as the electricity is concerned, we do have electricity. I still remember that we used to loose 1 hour at most in Punjab in the 90s. however, now its been going for the more than half a day. Clearly, 90s electricity power cannot be more than in current era. Hence, it is evident that governments have become more and more corrupt and they are not paying bills to WAPDA.

you realise there is a huge difference between the 90s power demand and today's??
provincial govts made a huge mistake by providing cheaper power to consumers instead of industries (no country does that). and to top it off, the supply lines were laid throughout the country without adequate supply to back it up.
what did u think was gonna happen, and need I mention line losses, theft of transformers and other power equipment, public corruption???

sit back, and think logically for a minute. the problem isn't that complex to understand.

in some of my previous posts, I have even given details on the private power generation fiasco, if you need it I can look them up along with legal information (about the companies involved) straight from PK courts website.



alternatively, you can bury your head in the sand and blame india. it's far easier.

 

[Rocky25]

B.S.
There is no poor water management. You built those fricken dams in J&K illegally. You know very well where Pakistan would require water from. Our dams, one of them, currently the worlds 2nd largest in the world, the 'Tarbela Dam' is dried up.
Yes of course we do have water underground but that is not enough. You need rain and monsoon for that. Sorry but you can't blame Pakistanis for keeping nature's water cycle going.

Ministers can say whatever they want. In Pakistan especially, they don't create any thing substantial. They give out lame excuses to protect themselves.

Kindly read the last para in the below link! It is a news from Pakistan itself!

Water management | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

Yet another proof for Pakistan poor water management!

Sindh, Balochistan not ready for urban water management: study | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

You cannot blame India for Pakistan Ministers short coming too! They are your representatives! If you do not have trust... Go to International court, get a overseeing committee and let them monitor how much water actually comes to Indian area and out of that how much water is passed to Pakistan. And let them decide if you do not have trust!

 

[Bhairava]

south Indian people should start working on their power plants rather than complaining..

That;s not the right word choice...

If not for technical difficulties it is a legitimate demand from any power deficit state that they be serviced rather than an external country.

 

[Rocky25]

south Indian people should start working on their power plants rather than complaining..

We know how to be energy sufficient and for once... Don't separate Indians as South Indians and North Indians!

 

[Awesome]

Pakistan should happily reject this offer. Sorry but we don't want to depend all our life on rent.

What is strange here is the fact that Indians themselves don't have electricity, and their offer of 5000 MW sounds like a catch to further weaken us. Since when did Indians become so nice? If they really are, then why don't they give us water instead that have blocked illegally? The basic need in life is water, and not electricity.

Those of you who know their Physics should know that water itself eventually can be used to produced electricity by adding turbines...

As I said, treat it as a purely business transaction. Each side should put USD 5 Billion in escrow to some reputable third party, where the USD 10 Bn money sits accumulating interest. Pakistan Provides India free transit, India provides free electricity. The first party to violate forfeits the entire amount to the violated party and no harm done life goes on.

India will get huge trade from the access its gets to Central Asia via Afghanistan, let them do the trade and expand the reach of Indian products to that side of the world via direct land route, we get the power need for our growth.

Its a better deal than the free supply route we were giving to the Americans.

 

[Abhishek_]

^a rather good idea